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Tundra Tiger said:
Saying Zelensky started this - irrespective of what you think of Zelensky - is beyond dumb. He just as well publicly say the sky is green. It sounds every bit as crazy. Red Legs is right: if Biden had said that exact thing, many on here would have been outraged. But instead his supporters try to explain it away or just ignore it. Saying something that is patently false should be decried no matter who says it. Somebody close to him needs to be saying "WTF are you talking about??" and call him out. And if he's doing it as some sort of misdirection, as you suggest, I find it grossly irresponsible, as the leader of the free world.
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Exactly! This is completely irresponsible and will further embolden Putin’s madness.
 
Israeli intelligence warned Australian officials of an impending terrorist attack.
 
This is saying they were a father, son terrorist duo.


The suspects in the deadly shooting at Australia’s Bondi Beach were a father and son, New South Wales Police Commissioner Mal Lanyon said at a news conference on Monday morning. The father, 50, was shot and killed by police at the scene, while his 24-year-old son is in critical but stable condition at the hospital, Lanyon said. Police said they are not looking for any more suspects.
 
wesheltonj said:
If I had taken away the gun, I would have popped a cap. Unfortunately, in OZ, I would be the one behind bars never mind the legal theory of defense of others. Liberal governments don't believe in that theory.
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There's a lesson here for Americans.
 
Tam Dl said:
Has the US ever fought a peer nation. Not sure Japan qualifies, given then knew they were toast when they failed to catch the fleet in Pearl on day one.

Canada on the other hand didn't show up late for both world wars and had a large role in training US spies and special operations. We also haven't killed tens of millions of people invading countries by mistake, or whatever one calls the Gulf or Tonkin Incident.

The US has been basically robbing the world since 1974. Nice work if you can get it. Not sure it is morally superior to socialism particularly considering the stack of smouldering countries that seem to accumulate to preserve the Petro Dollar.

I don't blame the US as the cost of 80 years of relative peace is hard to calculate or know how it could have been done otherwise. But people aren't going to buy the BS either.
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I would say Germany ITALY and Japan togather all at once would qualify a peer nation in war production materials and armies, especially since they had a head start.
Your second paragraph ,I get it ,about the Gulf of Tonkin, regardless though Fighting communism is never an un worthy causes in most any scenario, They are a very harsh task master to the human race.
Albeit Vietnam seems to have adjusted much better under their capitalism style. But theyre people as well as Cambodia paid a very deadly price.
Kudos to Canada they were represented well and earned respect in WWII.
AND AGAIN not sure what you're saying in para 3. China is working to develop its own style of world currency with other nations collectively, you approve? as Trump moves to a more western hemisphere of concern maybe Europe will rise up and do something great, but dont hold your breath.
meanwhile we are stuck permantly as neighbor's assuming you are Canadian. Hope we can work politics out for the best benefit of both countries
 
Doug Hamilton said:
There's a lesson here for Americans.
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amazing the killer looks exactly like the 100s ot thousands we imported under Biden ,millitary age, close hair cut, physically fit, and very good bolt action work, and a hater of all others.
 
wesheltonj said:
If I had taken away the gun, I would have popped a cap. Unfortunately, in OZ, I would be the one behind bars never mind the legal theory of defense of others. Liberal governments don't believe in that theory.
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Agreed and I would have shot the guy on not only general principle but also …. He had a bag around his neck, willing to bet it was filled with shotgun shells but could also have a handgun or more likely bomb.

FYI looking at the news footage, weapon shown appeared to be one of those Japanese made shotguns specifically for the Australian market to abide by rather silly regulations against pump action and semiautomatic shotguns.

I sadly fear this will only result in more OZ firearms “privileges” being restricted
 
Red Leg said:
So, I voted for this character as a lesser of two evils. But those of you who worship at his feet, tell me is he delusional, demented, or simply clueless? If Biden had said something so devoid of the historical accuracy, this group would have been outraged.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000083408861434033
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At his point and time its not so important who started it as, who wins it. Yep I agree with you it was Russia ,however I dont get the daily morning top secret security briefs he gets , Im sure you do.I dont know anyone who worships at his feet but I proudly voted for him, would you have prefered joe again if he wasnt shot down by his own party. Be THANKFUL it could get a whole lot worse I got some heart burn , but no TDS, just be careful you dont loose too much sleep over a thing that would only matter in a world court. Much more important Is Venezuela , Englands a mess. In the end its all your fault you voted for him. Identify the problem, Improvise a solution, and over come.
 

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At his point and time its not so important who started it as, who wins it.

I respectfully disagree. I think it is very important that the leader of the free world is able to accurately articulate details related to world events. Saying something that is patently false makes him look like he's either traveling down his own road of diminishing mental capacity, or worse trying to drag people in the direction of a false narrative for his own reasons.

To say that Ukraine started this is, in my mind, something akin to suggesting the Holocaust never happened. It will surely embolden Putin and confuse/frustrate our allies. The fact his supporters are willing to look the other way or nod in agreement is frightening.
 
deewayne2003 said:
Agreed and I would have shot the guy on not only general principle but also …. He had a bag around his neck, willing to bet it was filled with shotgun shells but could also have a handgun or more likely bomb.

FYI looking at the news footage, weapon shown appeared to be one of those Japanese made shotguns specifically for the Australian market to abide by rather silly regulations against pump action and semiautomatic shotguns.

I sadly fear this will only result in more OZ firearms “privileges” being restricted
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Absolutely--pull the sheep's teeth to disarm the wolf!
 
cwpayton said:
At his point and time its not so important who started it as, who wins it. Yep I agree with you it was Russia ,however I dont get the daily morning top secret security briefs he gets , Im sure you do.I dont know anyone who worships at his feet but I proudly voted for him, would you have prefered joe again if he wasnt shot down by his own party. Be THANKFUL it could get a whole lot worse I got some heart burn , but no TDS, just be careful you dont loose too much sleep over a thing that would only matter in a world court. Much more important Is Venezuela , Englands a mess. In the end its all your fault you voted for him. Identify the problem, Improvise a solution, and over come.
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I have no earthly idea what you are trying to say. On the other hand, I think I was pretty clear - I voted for him as the lesser of two evils. With respect to what I believe are our critical international interests, he sadly has been even worse than I expected.
 
cwpayton said:
amazing the killer looks exactly like the 100s ot thousands we imported under Biden ,millitary age, close hair cut, physically fit, and very good bolt action work, and a hater of all others.
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Yep. Middle East terrorists tend to be of a type. Biden allowed a lot of them in. I think that we will be hearing more of these reports, and from the US in particular.
 
deewayne2003 said:
Agreed and I would have shot the guy on not only general principle but also …. He had a bag around his neck, willing to bet it was filled with shotgun shells but could also have a handgun or more likely bomb.

FYI looking at the news footage, weapon shown appeared to be one of those Japanese made shotguns specifically for the Australian market to abide by rather silly regulations against pump action and semiautomatic shotguns.

I sadly fear this will only result in more OZ firearms “privileges” being restricted
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I think you're right. At least the police shot the suspects. I don't think that would have happened in the UK. As far as I can tell, the government in the UK, Australia, NZ and Canada regards the death of a perpetrator is just as bad as the death.of a victim. While self defence is legal in these countries, actually injuring a criminal is illegal. As a result, they feel.free to disarm the citizens. Somebody from these countries that knows more about it can let us know if this view is incorrect.

Unfortunately, I see this trend happening in the US. Due to our constitution, it's just taking a little longer. No matter what continent we live on we need to stand up and demand that we have the right to defend our lives and the lives of others.
 
deewayne2003 said:
Agreed and I would have shot the guy on not only general principle but also …. He had a bag around his neck, willing to bet it was filled with shotgun shells but could also have a handgun or more likely bomb.

FYI looking at the news footage, weapon shown appeared to be one of those Japanese made shotguns specifically for the Australian market to abide by rather silly regulations against pump action and semiautomatic shotguns.

I sadly fear this will only result in more OZ firearms “privileges” being restricted
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Albanese already in motion.....tougher gun laws on the way

www.bbc.com

Bondi Beach: Australia needs tougher gun laws, says PM, as gunmen revealed to be father and son

Police say the 50-year-old gunman, who died at the scene, held multiple gun licences. His 24-year-old son is in hospital in critical condition.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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