Politics

deewayne2003 said:

Not solely from CNN, other news outlets and many trips to Canada until the disaster of a moose hunt in Ontario in 2017 that made up my mind to never return, combined with the emotional outbursts by Canadians on this forum that blame everything other than their own government for the current state of affairs before tariffs were in the spotlight.

I’m sure there are many reasons you immigrated but you yourself have stated on this forum that you believe yours rights are better protected in the USA than in Canada.

Although I do admire Canadians tenacity when dealing with threats on a micro level, like when dozens of seal hunters surrounded a hotel full of PETA protestors…..
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This is honestly ridiculous. Your ignorance is just hard to deal with. When the Marines march around with the Canadian flag upside down are they displaying emotional instability that you dislike. Do you have any idea why the seal hunt became so important after the government organized the dog slaughter in the artic? The MAGA crowd has to be the most hysterical bunch of precious people that the modern era has seen. It’s a dam good thing generations of hard working, university educated and internationally cultured Americans have created such advantages for your group to feel proud about and leverage. Otherwise you and Trump would be just a hysterical fringe group. Reagan knew how to control this aspect of American culture but the Bush duo let you folks out into the open to the enduring detriment of the rest of the USA and the world.

Pheroze said:

Honestly we have not had a Prime Minster who deviated from Pierre Elliot Trudeau concept of a centralized government. Our constitution gives most of the power to the Provinces and the only province to hold true to that is Quebec. Pierre Pollieve is a refreshing bit of sanity to the constitutional situation. I think he will reset things if given a chance. Harper had no desire to as it didn’t suit his centralized ideology.

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I agree pollieve would be the best choice I don’t know if we’ll be able to get him elected. He draws too easy of comparisons to the trump at a time when a when that is a campaign hurdle. I truely hope he is prime minister in a weeks time. In a perfect world carney and Singh wouldn’t even take their seats. Atleast with Singh it’s a real possibility.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

That is a perfect example of the problem, when did it become ok for the president of America to spout of nonsense and lies with no one holding him accountable.

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WAB said:

the fact is the conservatives had a commanding lead until Trump began the trade war. Once that began, the country seemed to unify behind the government in power (Liberals).

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Your observation may be (and by the reported data, is) true, but The question I have is WHY? Love, hate, or indifference to Trump should have absolutely no bearing on electing the leader of your country, with the lone exception for a small percentage of how next leader will deal with him. And we can be positive Trump will not respect any libtard, so conservatives automatically have a leg up in that category.

I cannot understand why Canadians suddenly feel more liberal leadership is going to change their lives for the better when they have 9 years of proof to the contrary. Voting liberal is to your own stupidity. *note: that "you" is any liberal voter, not any specific individual

Trump absolutely spews too much BS, and I wish he would learn to keep his mouth shut. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: the vast majority of his actual actions have and continue to make my life better, especially compared to what could have been with the alternates.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

If joe Biden had called into question the sovereignty of Canada , attempted territorial gains in Greenland and started a trade war would you all of brushed it off as “we don’t take him seriously.

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I didn't take anything Joe said, tried to say, was said to have said, or slept through and forgot to say seriously.

the world is much better with him in retirement.

After Trump’s latest post on TruthSocial, we can only hope that he is waking up to being played by Putin. Putin needs to be told that we will fully supply Ukraine unless Putin agrees to a peace deal. Further sanctions would be a joke and a show of weakness, not force.

Tbitty said:

Your observation may be (and by the reported data, is) true, but The question I have is WHY? Love, hate, or indifference to Trump should have absolutely no bearing on electing the leader of your country, with the lone exception for a small percentage of how next leader will deal with him. And we can be positive Trump will not respect any libtard, so conservatives automatically have a leg up in that category.

I cannot understand why Canadians suddenly feel more liberal leadership is going to change their lives for the better when they have 9 years of proof to the contrary. Voting liberal is to your own stupidity. *note: that "you" is any liberal voter, not any specific individual

Trump absolutely spews too much BS, and I wish he would learn to keep his mouth shut. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: the vast majority of his actual actions have and continue to make my life better, especially compared to what could have been with the alternates.

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best I can figure living through it and seeing it play out around me the issue is that pollieve is standoffish in his own right and at times argumentative. Leading to an easy attack campaign that draws comparisons between him and trump. The conservatives also for the most part failed to shift quickly enough with the political landscape when it took a hard turn away from carbon tax and spending issues.

Leads to a perfect storm for a political disaster

Trump attacks Canadas economy and questions sovereignty

The liberals oust Trudeau and elect carney

Pollieve drops the ball with the shifting political landscape and fails to loose his attack dog persona

Liberals run a successful attack campaign drawing comparisons between trump and pollieve

Carney appears unthreatening quiet and mild mannered in comparison.

Carney presents a history of international finance in a trade war.

The vote will most likely be decided by the segment of the population that generally doesn’t vote and is asleep to the real issues at play. The only reason they are voting is because trump started the ball rolling.

What it most likely leads to is a liberal majority electing a business man with known financial ties to China that hasn’t had to disclose his finances because of timing of the election.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

That is a perfect example of the problem, when did it become ok for the president of America to spout of nonsense and lies with no one holding him accountable. Why does he get a pass? He’s speaking on behalf of you and every other American citizen, at the head of the largest military in world and has access to nuclear weapons but when he spouts off randomly you all just brush it off.

If joe Biden had called into question the sovereignty of Canada , attempted territorial gains in Greenland and started a trade war would you all of brushed it off as “we don’t take him seriously”

@Hunt anything that is not a personal shot at you either simply using your post to make a point.

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Very fair point, we as citizens of any country should take it seriously if a leader starts talking about expansion be it war or by whatever means. I should have added that we have to be able to read people and their actions. We probably all know people that if they say they are going to do something you can bank on it but we also probably know people that you really have to just wait and see.
The problem with our leaders is they have the future of their country and people and in some cases the world in their hands.

Tbitty said:

I didn't take anything Joe said, tried to say, was said to have said, or slept through and forgot to say seriously.

the world is much better with him in retirement.

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And the world will be much better off with trump in retirement.

The same people praising Trump's genius, including the "journalists" who they follow, would be screaming in outrage were a democrat preparing to institute a punitive tariff system that would raise domestic prices (we call that inflation in other conversations). In fairness, the democrats would be slavishly praising it. Original informed opinion is a rare commodity these days.

Tbitty said:

Your observation may be (and by the reported data, is) true, but The question I have is WHY? Love, hate, or indifference to Trump should have absolutely no bearing on electing the leader of your country, with the lone exception for a small percentage of how next leader will deal with him. And we can be positive Trump will not respect any libtard, so conservatives automatically have a leg up in that category.

I cannot understand why Canadians suddenly feel more liberal leadership is going to change their lives for the better when they have 9 years of proof to the contrary. Voting liberal is to your own stupidity. *note: that "you" is any liberal voter, not any specific individual

Trump absolutely spews too much BS, and I wish he would learn to keep his mouth shut. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: the vast majority of his actual actions have and continue to make my life better, especially compared to what could have been with the alternates.

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Why did Democrats align with George Bush after 911? Because we were a nation under attack and we aligned to fight a common enemy.

This seems to be a similar dynamic. Canadians feel that they are under attack. This doesn’t have to make sense to you, but it is their reality. The emotion you are seeing on this thread is indicative of what I saw with family and friends last weekend. And to be clear, these are very conservative folks. They feel that they are under attack and that Trump is in many instances over reaching his constitutional authority. This may not make sense from where you sit, but it certainly seems to be the reality on the ground.

Red Leg said:

Original informed opinion is a rare commodity these days.

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I agree with this 100%. It is so odd how Republicans and Democrats have shifted and completely flipped on some issues and the rank and file just cheer it on.

LivingTheDream said:

I agree with this 100%. It is so odd how Republicans and Democrats have shifted and completely flipped on some issues and the rank and file just cheer it on.

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I’m just a fisherman with way to much time on my hands to think on long steams but I truly feel that the tribalistic divide in western society is going to be the defining issue of this century. Liberal and conservative republican and democratic will be written in future history books the same way fascist communist and capitalist are now.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

I’m just a fisherman with way to much time on my hands to think on long steams but I truly feel that the tribalistic divide in western society is going to be the defining issue of this century. Liberal and conservative republican and democratic will be written in future history books the same way fascist communist and capitalist are now.

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I think there is a tribalistic divide going on everywhere in the West and not just in politics. Not sure if or how it impacts hunting in Canada but the Resident vs Non-Resident issue is getting worse here in the states. I know a guy (not super well) but he was a pretty hard-core hunter and is now donating what he was spending in tags/points/license to anti-hunting groups because he got so mad about it.

It seems like a divide and conquer strategy is being applied to everything to we do.

Tubby’s Canteen said:

Future generations of Canadians will look back on the period of time we spent with a leader that painted himself black and feel shame much the same as future generations of Americans should feel about the actions of a leader who paints himself orange.

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Not at all... Canadians should be proud they elected Trudeau... With him you got 2 for 1 in electing the first Canadian PM of color and the second female PM at the same time... Both huge DEI benchmarks!

Tubby’s Canteen said:

And the world will be much better off with trump in retirement.

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LOL... I could see how non-Americans and socialists would think so....

Bloody Chinese at it again.....

yamoon said:

Tired of this whole argument, you will never convince me trade is fair and I will never convince you it is unfair. I don’t want this to degenerate into name calling, as I said I like Canadians. One of my wife and my most enjoyable vacations was Toronto to Vancouver by train in 2018.
Mike

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"You will never convince me . . ."

Finally, we get the bottom line. There's no point in having a discussion or debate with people who will never be convinced. Facts won't matter, and evidence won't matter. It's like trying to convince a flat earthed that the earth is round.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong in this debate, but I am saying there's no point to the debate at all if people don't care what the other side has to say.

Hank2211 said:

"You will never convince me . . ."

Finally, we get the bottom line. There's no point in having a discussion or debate with people who will never be convinced. Facts won't matter, and evidence won't matter. It's like trying to convince a flat earthed that the earth is round.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong in this debate, but I am saying there's no point to the debate at all if people don't care what the other side has to say.

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That’s why I won’t continue this thread. My wife and I were planning a cruise this fall from Boston up the northeast US and Canada coast, we are rethinking it now, we don’t want to visit a place where we are not welcome. Hopefully by late summer things will return to more normal with our northern neighbors.
Mike

LivingTheDream said:

I think there is a tribalistic divide going on everywhere in the West and not just in politics. Not sure if or how it impacts hunting in Canada but the Resident vs Non-Resident issue is getting worse here in the states. I know a guy (not super well) but he was a pretty hard-core hunter and is now donating what he was spending in tags/points/license to anti-hunting groups because he got so mad about it.

It seems like a divide and conquer strategy is being applied to everything to we do.

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There are 2 camps in the world. Those that buy into the lies, propaganda, and bullshit, spewed by Democrat wing of the mainstream media lapdogs, and those that see right thru the lies and smokescreen.
If it wasn't for the hate and division driven by the agendas of the left and it's media cronies, the current Democrat party, and it's radical faction, would probably never win another presidential election based on what they have become.