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This is not good! Lankford is the better of the two Oklahoma senators. The other guy is a redneck that challenged the union boss to a fist fight. It's a sad day for our country when a potential border deal can't be made because people are more worried about who gets the credit.


WASHINGTON − The Oklahoma Republican Party approved a resolution censuring Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., and attacking the Republican lawmaker for negotiating with Democrats on a potential border deal.

The resolution, shared by Oklahoma State Sen. Dusty Deevers on X, formerly Twitter, accuses Lankford of “playing fast and loose with Democrats on our border policy." Lawmakers for months have been struggling to reach an agreement to address the challenges on America's southern border, and Lankford has been the lead GOP negotiator.

The resolution, approved Saturday, also calls on Lankford to “cease and desist jeopardizing the security and liberty” of Americans.

The immigration deal – which has not yet been finalized – would reportedly make it harder for migrants to claim asylum, make it easier for U.S. officials to deport migrants who have remained in the country illegally, expand detention capacity and add Border Patrol staff.

The bill is useless garbage that does nothing but make certain that thousands of illegals per month, nearly 2 million per year will be met with Joe Bidens open arms.
I saw him openly lie again today, claiming "I've done all I can on the border, I need money from Congress", an absolute false statement! A world class liar with few equals!
He could with his pen, undo all the things he did with his pen when he took office and killed all the things that were working previously.
This horse hockey about how House Republicans will kill the chance to do good with the Senate joke of a bill is just that, horse hockey.
There is only one way to look at this bill, if Biden, Schumer and the Tards and some RINO's are for it, its bad for America.
 
I don’t think you have read the bill. Perhaps just repeating a narrative about the bill.
Nobody has the read the bill, not even the Senators. Thats part of the problem.
 
Of course I haven't read the bill. Just like you haven't read the bill, or anybody has read the bill. It hasn't been completed yet.

I called Senator Lankford's office for a copy of the bill to read last week. It hasn't been written.

I called Senator Lankford's office for a copy of the bill yesterday. They don't have it because it hasn't been written yet!

All any of us are doing is repeating talking points about the bill that the pundits are providing.

Please send me a copy of the full bill and I will be happy to read it.

On a different bill, in the words of Pelosi.

I’m not saying I’m for or against the bill. Just might want to listen to what your senator says IS in the bill, since he is the negotiator? Everybody starts throwing down the gauntlet and speaking out their azz on both sides before reading it.
 
I appreciate the detailed response. I think it is in error in several ways, but it offers the basis of a discussion.

Let me deal with your last point first because I think it is important and is a fatal mistake being made by the Trump wing of my party. My ideal of the relative outsider with a unique vison for the country was Ronald Reagan. He and the policies he promoted were what I. and I think most educated people, would define as actual conservatism. I call him a relative outsider, because he had already been a successful governor of one of the country's most diverse and populous states.

Because he was a successful politician in such an environment, he realized as president that he needed a mandate much greater than his conservative base. At that time, he too faced a intolerant self-destructive fringe in the party that valued purity over governance. One of his most famous quotes was, "The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor." Even if somehow Trump is elected in a wave of anti-Biden sentiment, the party can not maintain a governing majority in congress without a broad mandate that includes most moderates, whatever their party.

I should add, Trump not only has a problem winning over moderates, he also has one with conservatives in his own party. Whatever Trump's movement and fiscal beliefs are, it isn't conservatism. Judging by his recent denunciation of not only Nikki Haley, but also her voters, I am no sure his self-indulgence allows him to even understand that.

The so called RINOs currently represent constituencies that reflect such a mandate far more than the purists like a Chip Roy or Matt Gaetz. No president can be successful without congressional support. If this party devolves into nothing more than the 35% who worship at the alter of Donald Trump, the republicans will never hold a mandate again.

With respect to Russian history and the notion that every Russian dictator "has moved to the west" since Stalin, that is simply not true. In fact, I would argue that sentence itself is self-refuting. I assume you would agree Malenkov doesn't count. Khrushchev was certainly less murderous than Stalin, but hardly what anyone would call an admirer of the capitalist system. In spite of the efforts at détente, during the Nixon administration, Brezhnev politically was as reactionary as Stalin. I think we can also safely leave Andropov and Chernenko out of this discussion. I believe Gorbachev did recognize the failings of the Communist system, though whether that was through a desire to be closer to a Western model or merely to survive the pending upheaval as the Soviet Union collapsed, I am unsure. And whatever Russia could have become in a post Soviet world, that was cut short by the dictator currently occupying the Kremlin.

Spheres of influence serve only those with the power to enforce them. We articulated the Monroe Doctrine in 1823. But it was 75 years later, during the Spanish American War, before we actually had the power to begin to enforce it. Fortunately, we still do.

The Russian Empire and Soviet Union have waxed and waned throughout its history with respect to its sphere of influence. Crimea, for instance, was never under Russian control until ceded by Turkey in 1783. There is certainly no ethnic bond between the Rus and the Tartars who still make up most of the Crimean population. Perhaps following your logic, it should be returned to Turkey rather than Russia, or maybe the Byzantines?

The same is true of the "buffer zone" Russia created in Eastern Europe following the Second World War. That sphere of influence existed solely because six million Red Army troops occupied the ground. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, everyone of those States immediately sought true independence. Russia no longer had the strength or will to hold them in bondage. The Ukraine is also one of those states, and with a history of actual independence not very different than Poland.

The notion that the CIA convinced the vast majority of the Crimean people to revolt against a government attempting the realign itself with Moscow is simply not true. It is a notion perpetuated in a lot of right wing sites like Revolver and Gateway Pundit, but the Ukrainian people "voted" overwhelmingly to chart their future with Western Europe. Undoubtedly many in government to include in CIA and State were pleased. However, most of the overly sophisticated savants in the Obama administration saw the Ukrainian people's actions as actually destabilizing - hardly actions that administration would encourage through its intelligence services.

No, Ukraine's desire for self-determination and alliance with the West is very real. It is a dream for which they continue to cast their votes every single day with their blood. Putin, far from "moving West," is doing everything in his power to destroy that dream and submerge Ukraine in the apathetic police state that is the modern Russian Empire.

Which portion of the Minsk accords did Ukraine actually violate? To save some time, there is no pledge anywhere in them preventing Ukraine from joining NATO or the EU. That is both a Russian propaganda claim and belief adopted among the American right wing.

Fortunately, both Finland and Sweden, long exercising a careful balancing act between the West and their periodically belligerent neighbor, see Putin and his goals for what they are. Their joining NATO, and becoming two of the chief supporters of Ukraine's fight for survival puts a lie to the appeasers in the West. Refusing to aid Ukraine is by definition supporting Russia's strategic goals. It is unfathomable to me, that I share a party with people who support that foreign policy position. Reagan, a true champion of America first, aggressively defended our national interests wherever threatened. I am certain he would be appalled at the notion of abandoning Ukraine.
+1 Exactly!

Wake up people! Quit believing everything you read on “media” sites, left or right! Just because something is written down and published doesn’t give it any validity anymore! Those days are over! Use your BRAIN and independently evaluate REAL history. I cannot believe I even have to say this! This isn’t the same world since social media. People on both sides ignoring what actually happened and believing so much BS! Where’s critical thinking these days?? Quit being SHEEP. Question what you read or hear, even from people on your side of things. Call out BS on both sides!
 
Nobody has the read the bill, not even the Senators. Thats part of the problem.
Exactly! So why are people for and against it already and pushing their narratives??
 
Exactly! So why are people for and against it already and pushing their narratives??
From my post above, its all one needs to know.

There is only one way to look at this bill, if Biden, Schumer and the Tards and some RINO's are for it, its bad for America.
 
From my post above, its all one needs to know.

There is only one way to look at this bill, if Biden, Schumer and the Tards and some RINO's are for it, it’s bad for America.
Possibly the most unreasonable post you’ve ever made. All one needs to know? Wow, and that attitude and lack of really looking at issues is why nothing ever gets done. Nobody believes in compromise anymore. Bills can be amended.
 
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Possibly the most unreasonable post you’ve ever made. All one needs to know? Wow, and that attitude and lack of really looking at issues is why nothing ever gets done. Nobody believes in compromise anymore.
Compromise with Biden and the tards is a suicide pact, surprised you dont know that. Well, maybe I'm not.
 
Compromise with Biden and the tards is a suicide pact, surprised you dont know that. Well, maybe I'm not.
How intellectual of you. Many of us have been waiting for the chance to fix the broken immigration situation and this COULD be a chance but it is immediately attacked before it’s even ready and on paper. I guess we are doomed to the status quo.
 
Question what you read or hear, even from people on your side of things. Call out BS on both sides!
%100.
But you need to do that you have to follow a spectrum of media outlets, have critical thinking skills and hopefully some diverse life experience.
Some lack most or all of it.
 
How intellectual of you. Many of us have been waiting for the chance to fix the broken immigration situation and this COULD be a chance but it is immediately attacked before it’s even ready and on paper. I guess we are doomed to the status quo.
Thank you.

You, like the President dont seem to understand that the power to fix this already exists in the executive branch. Biden could fix this today if he wanted to, he does not want to fix it, this is all by design, he is making good on his promise to have an open border.

But do remember this, no amount of anger at me or outrage, and fingers pointing in the air, will have ANY impact on the eventual outcome, zip, zero, nada, none.
 
I seem to recall where Reagan was hoodwinked into signing an immigration bill, that was supposed to "fix" the border and immigration, in reality it did neither. It just "legalized" some unlawful entrants. I suspect the next "fix" will not solve anything either.
 
Thank you.

You, like the President dont seem to understand that the power to fix this already exists in the executive branch. Biden could fix this today if he wanted to, he does not want to fix it, this is all by design, he is making good on his promise to have an open border.

But do remember this, no amount of anger at me or outrage, and fingers pointing in the air, will have ANY impact on the eventual outcome, zip, zero, nada, none.
You don’t understand that the President (even when Trump was in office) can do a lot, but not all, of what needs to be done. That’s why we need new laws.

Biden doesn’t want to do much because he wants more changes than what he can actually do. He and Democrats want amnesty and other things we, as Republicans, don’t want. We, as Republicans, want things that the Democrats don’t want. So, elections have consequences and Biden thinks by making a big mess of immigration, that he can get Republicans to the table.
 
You don’t understand that the President (even when Trump was in office) can do a lot, but not all, of what needs to be done. That’s why we need new laws.

Biden doesn’t want to do much because he wants more changes than what he can actually do. He and Democrats want amnesty and other things we, as Republicans, don’t want. We, as Republicans, want things that the Democrats don’t want. So, elections have consequences and Biden thinks by making a big mess of immigration, that he can get Republicans to the table.
I agree wholeheartedly and a good start would be enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
 
I agree wholeheartedly and a good start would be enforcing the laws that are already on the books.
Obviously he’s not going to do that. He wants new laws. We all do but there’s not much compromise.
 
More immigration laws = less illegal immigration

Will be as effective as…

More gun laws = less gun crimes

We have more than enough laws regarding both illegal immigration & guns; what is lacking is enforcement.

Example: School shooter Nicholas Cruz had police respond to his family home more than 20 times for pointing firearms at family members.

This is a felony known as “deadly conduct” and would have barred him from gun ownership; likewise his online postings about his desire to be the deadliest school shooter in history were forwarded to the FBI twice - nothing was done.

Similarly Dylan Roof had a felony drug conviction that should have prevented him front buying the Glock used to kill 9 people in that South Carolina church. FBI even admitted they screwed up the background check.

Illegal immigration example

A former employer who started a new company after filing bankruptcy with the company I worked for him at, was audited by INS and was found to have 109 illegals on his payroll with false TX drivers licenses & fake social security numbers in 2015 during Obama tenure, he was given a $700 fine and a warning, and that’s with over 50% of his 475 workers document being suspicious.

In 2018 with Trump in office INS returned and 71 of those illegals were still on the payroll with different fake TX driver’s licenses & different fake social security numbers and homeland security moved to seize $1.8 Million in company assets.

So yeah enforcement does wonders and lack of enforcement simply emboldens.


“But we need the labor”… agreed! We need to follow something like Cesar Chavez wanted - guest workers Union of Agriculture workers.

Cesar Chavez is regarded as a socialist villain by many republicans, but he was extremely anti illegal immigration and he wanted the southern border protected.
 
You don’t understand that the President (even when Trump was in office) can do a lot, but not all, of what needs to be done. That’s why we need new laws.

Biden doesn’t want to do much because he wants more changes than what he can actually do. He and Democrats want amnesty and other things we, as Republicans, don’t want. We, as Republicans, want things that the Democrats don’t want. So, elections have consequences and Biden thinks by making a big mess of immigration, that he can get Republicans to the table.
Enforcement of existing laws would do wonders! Biden wants this crisis, he asked for it, he got it.

 

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