416 Ribgy or 458 Lott

[colorado]

You are retiring, just get a Heym .500 NE.

+1

 

[Inline6]

@Inline6 Doubles aren't for everyone, you need to change the way you think about accuracy when shooting one. That 2 in 4 shot composite group at 55 meters is the equivalent of 3/4 MOA group at 100 with your bolt gun. Also the DG you shoot with a double is Minute of elephant/buff not blue diker. It i8s very rewarding but also requires a lot of practice to get proficient with a double.

Yes sir, I have come to terms with it. I love the look and feel of a double. I personally will never be happy with the accuracy. So the R8 will do for now until I grow up.

 

[Doug3006]

I’m puzzled by the question. One or the other? One of each sounds far more sensible.

 

[John Telford]

Since you are retired (or soon to be) I would go with the rifle that is easier to shoot and lug around. I don’t have a 416 yet (waiting for Lon to sell me his original) but I do own a few .404’s ,458 Lott and of course the 505. I really enjoy shooting all of them so when doing PH duty I take either the Lott or .505 as back up. however as a personal hunting tool I often take the .404. Which nowadays is only marginally inferior to the .416. The Blaser would be a good platform but not sure of the caliber offerings in the 400 -450 class. .416 Rem maybe?

 

[uplander01]

I have both and have taken both to Africa, if I could only have one I would go with the Lott but only handload for it. If I didn’t handload I would go with the 416 Rigby.

100%--You can't go wrong with either. If I had to chose, I would go with the 416 rigby, and handload....just a big fan, especially with 430gr North Forks up the pipe.

 

[grand veneur]

I always like this discussions.

One topic is about getting an big bore rifle and many agree.

On the other topic, a lot of people talk you out of it and try with all means to demonstrate that you don't need a big bore rifle and that you can't master something like that anyway.

The Big Bore Dilemma

Big Bore Rifles. And their utility in today's Africa. In a recent online discussion, I opined that the 375 H&H was the KING of African calibers. While my take was based more on the versatility of this great medium bore cartridge, than pure horsepower. I was challenged by a few readers, that...

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[Dewald]

.416 all the way. Low pressure cartridge. Less recoil. Great penetration. Much easier to handload concentric cartridges than the lott

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Since elephant is going to be on the menu, my proposition would be a custom .458 Lott built on a left handed Granite Mountain Arms African Magnum Mauser action. Either by Joe Smithson or Reto Buehller or Ryan Breeding (although I’m not sure if Mr. Breeding is still in the business).

Of course, you definitely can’t go wrong with the .416 Rigby either. Remember that it’s always better to hunt with a smaller caliber that you can handle well than a bigger caliber which you handle poorly.

For doubles, I’d strongly go with Heym. Caliberwise, I’d strongly recommend the .470 Nitro Express for you.

 

[Safari Dave]

I would (and I have) gone with a .416 Rigby as a more versatile rifle.


I have a couple of rifles with more muzzle energy, but I'd defer to my PH for the "stopper".





With that being said, the .416 can do that job also.

I'd scope the .416 (and do) with a removable scope.

I would (and do) use a .458 (WM) as an iron-sighted rifle.

 

[Longrifle]

My favorite rifle is my Dakota 76 in .416 Rigby, 1-6x Trijicon Accupoint w/QD Talley mounts and QD RMR for really close stuff when scope is removed. I prefer non-belted cartridges and believe that all the best hunting cartridges were developed between 1900-1930. The Rigby is low pressure, easy on the barrel, excellent SD with 350gr-450gr bullets available. Trajecories make the .416 Rigby a legitimate 300m/yds. cartridge with modern loadings. It is just plain fun to shoot without being punishing. Plus the cool points.

 

[BeeMaa]

I will not make an argument for the 416RIGBY or the 458LOTT. What I will say is that this is an appropriate retirement gift for yourself, and left-handed as well...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/944370647

 

[RLL]

I will not make an argument for the 416RIGBY or the 458LOTT. What I will say is that this is an appropriate retirement gift for yourself, and left-handed as well...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/944370647

As a lefty, That’s been for sale for the best of 2 years…I’d buy it for five and cut that barrel down to a respectable 20” length. Blasphemy most would say…

 

[Inline6]

As a lefty, That’s been for sale for the best of 2 years…I’d buy it for five and cut that barrel down to a respectable 20” length. Blasphemy most would say…

Can't worry about what people think.

1 you could cut it down and loose on resale if it ever came to that.

2 pull that barrel and have a good smith spin up a new one that you would be happy with.

Either way your money, don't let others keep you from your dream.

 

[mdsalern]

My thought would be to get yourself an appropriate retirement gift. If you have an interest in getting a double, a retirement present to yourself would be a good time. It would compliment your .375s and it would be superior in muzzle energy.

If you purchase a .416 Rigby or a .458 Lott, may be tough to justify getting a double after that.

 

[RLL]

Can't worry about what people think.

1 you could cut it down and loose on resale if it ever came to that.

2 pull that barrel and have a good smith spin up a new one that you would be happy with.

Either way your money, don't let others keep you from your dream.

Definitely not worried what others think of my decisions! I’ve cut many a barrel shorter than “experts” recommended…

The consigner of the rifle won’t take 5k though, so non issue for me.

I like both calibers in 20” barreled rifles per my specs.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

My thought would be to get yourself an appropriate retirement gift. If you have an interest in getting a double, a retirement present to yourself would be a good time. It would compliment your .375s and it would be superior in muzzle energy.

If you purchase a .416 Rigby or a .458 Lott, may be tough to justify getting a double after that.

I sure agree with your way of thinking.
Lon

 

[Woodcarver]

My thought would be to get yourself an appropriate retirement gift. If you have an interest in getting a double, a retirement present to yourself would be a good time. It would compliment your .375s and it would be superior in muzzle energy.

If you purchase a .416 Rigby or a .458 Lott, may be tough to justify getting a double after that.

Justify? That is almost like using the word "need" in a discussion of firearm acquisitions. I believe the correct term is rationalize; which is much, much easier to do....

 

[grand veneur]

The problem can be that when you start buying a big bore rifle, you get fun with such weapons very quickly. Initially I only wanted to buy a rifle caliber 416 in addition to my rifle caliber 9,3x64. The gunsmith managed to sell me an old Brevex rifle caliber 460 WBY-Magnum, and then the addiction started. In the meantime, there are a several number of big bore rifles in my gun safe, including two DR.

 

[VertigoBE]

I will not make an argument for the 416RIGBY or the 458LOTT. What I will say is that this is an appropriate retirement gift for yourself, and left-handed as well...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/944370647

Oh that’s glorious…

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

I will not make an argument for the 416RIGBY or the 458LOTT. What I will say is that this is an appropriate retirement gift for yourself, and left-handed as well...
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/944370647

The seller is an AH member as well. He dropped the price in this thread to $9500 https://www.africahunting.com/threa...beesley-left-hand-416-rigby-with-scope.58764/