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[Vashper]

It's a gift, from Colt imo.

 

[Hogpatrol]

I'm guessing that sixgun he's wearing is one of the ones Chuck Connors gave him.

I've posted it once

 

[Vashper]

Lenya had another pair, with ivory grips, I dunno which pair is Connors'

 

[Hunter4752001]

Australian tyranny?

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Why does anyone believe, and circulate, deliberate misinformation like this. Total fabrication.

 

[Vashper]

As far as I remember, the current Constitution of Yugoslavia did not clearly and unambiguously provide for the free exit of the republics from the federation.

 

[Brent in Az]

Why does anyone believe, and circulate, deliberate misinformation like this. Total fabrication.

I didnt say I believed it, just wondering if any of our Aussie brothers heard of this?

 

[CoElkHunter]

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Breschnew and Tito-
Judas kisses of friendship
All have oppressed their peoples´.

At first glance, I thought the man on the right was former U.S. President Harry Truman?

 

[CoElkHunter]

I've posted it once

Looks like a Mafia barbecue?

 

[sestoppelman]

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I find this story pretty hard to swallow. I too would have to hear from someone we know to believe this. Not saying it couldnt or wont happen at some point somewhere,, but I dont think we are there yet and I hope we never are.

 

[sestoppelman]

At first glance, I thought the man on the right was former U.S. President Harry Truman?

You're kidding right, I mean right?

 

[sestoppelman]

I'd love it f HR McMaster ran for POTUS in 2024. A real leader, smart and tough when he needs to be.

Former Trump national security advisor H. R. McMaster on Afghanistan collapse

Retired General H.R. McMaster served as former President Trump's National Security Advisor from 2017-2018. He joins "CBS This Morning" to discuss the collapse of Afghanistan's government and the Taliban's rapid takeover of the country.

www.cbsnews.com

I think we can do much better than this guy. He is just another ex mil, mealy mouth wannabe. No thanks.
However he would be better than many out there and he is certainly a lot better than those two assclowns that did the AssStan presser today, Milly and Austin.
Talk about a couple of fat weasels! Total disgrace along with everyone else involved in this administration, just sickening!

 

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[Newboomer]

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Well, one can't very intelligently converse on a subject one knows nothing about.

 

[mark-hunter]

@WAB
These guys were saving airmen as well, and they were doing it in the line of duty:

Born Again – Slovenian Partisans and the Rescues of Allied Aviators during the World War II

Ambassador Hartley gives remarks at the opening of the exhibition "Born Again – Slovenian Partisans and the Rescues of Allied Aviators during the Second

si.usembassy.gov

They are worth mentioning as well.

It is inherently dangerous when two recognized governments (USA and YU, then) declare same person a war hero, or a another one convicts him as a war criminal, as we have the case of Mihailovic in ww2.

It sends a wrong moral message, it blurs the line between right or wrong and makes grounds for next conflict.

Mihailovic is now history, but the similar thing happens today.

Hero to some (bosnian serbs), a war criminal to the world.
Gen. Mladic, convicted war criminal in Hague (for Srebrenica Massacre - 7000 civilians killed, under his responsibilty)

In the same time - a war hero for bosnian serbs, getting monuments build.

Mladic Memorial Erected Near Sarajevo

A memorial plaque dedicated to the former Bosnian Serb military leader Ratko Mladic, who is on trial for genocide and other crimes in Bosnia, has been erected on the hills above Sarajevo.

balkaninsight.com

UN court upholds Ratko Mladić convictions and life sentence

A UN court on Tuesday upheld the life sentence imposed on former Bosnian Serb military chief Ratko Mladić for his role in the Balkan wars in the 1990s.

news.un.org

In the same time, they also returned downed airmen in balcan wars ("as an act of courtesy"):

Bosnian Serbs Free Downed French Airmen

Appearing shaky and pale but otherwise unharmed, two French combat pilots were freed Tuesday by Bosnian Serbs, bringing a happy conclusion to their 104-day ordeal and clearing an important obstacle to the signing of a historic Balkan peace treaty Thursday and the deployment of 60,000 NATO troops to…

www.latimes.com

How would you rate above?

I am now back on Mihailovic:
So, basically this is a deep moral question, and how to deal with it.
What does weight more, a good deed (saving air crews), or criminal act (killing civilians of other nationalities)?
How then to judge the man?

If I compare this within some healthy legal, moral and functioning system, in healthy human society it turns out the punishments weights more when proven guilty, regardless of legal system.

When proven guilty, the punishment follows, and social benefits are generally revoked. (as well as military decorations)

Simply put, a convicted war murderer can not be a recognized war hero in the same time.

When we cannot bring back the dead, then that is our attempt to make justice and keep our respect to the victims.

In this moral dilemma - brits distanced themselves from Mihailovic before the end of war. It was not faulty intelligence. (Besides the practical part and actual awareness who actually fought the war against nazis in the balcans)

 

[WAB]

Tito was a communist, Mihailovic a Royalist. Both committed atrocities in support of their beliefs. The Brits were so focused on defeating Facism that they were willing to stomach communism, a decision that later haunted them.

It seems that the victor writes history and defines the moral high ground. Only God knows what dwells in men’s hearts and ultimately they both had to answer to him.

 

[CoElkHunter]

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She reminds me of a cartoon character. I just can't place her? Little Orphan Annie? But, I think she was blond. Help!

 

[mark-hunter]

It seems that the victor writes history and defines the moral high ground. Only God knows what dwells in men’s hearts and ultimately they both had to answer to him.

@WAB
Absolutely correct!

 

[mark-hunter]

@Vashper

Just now I have caught your comment.
As far as I remember, the current Constitution of Yugoslavia did not clearly and unambiguously provide for the free exit of the republics from the federation.

(I make copy-paste because my quote function doesnt work on my computer)

This refers to yugo constitution as of 1974.
Lets go now to historical development of this article, since end of ww2.

Constitution in 1946:
FNRJ je savezna narodna država republika, zajednica ravnopravnih naroda koji su na osnovi prava na samoopredjeljenje uključujući pravo na otcjepljenje na temelju zajedničke borbe i slobodno izražene volje

Translation:
The FNRJ (fFderal peoples republic of Yugoslavia) is a federal people's state republic, a community of equal peoples based on the right to self-determination, including the right to secede on the basis of common struggle and free will.

Constitution 1963, from its basic principles:
„Narodi Jugoslavije polazeći od prava svakog naroda na samoopredjeljenje uključujući pravo na otcjepljenje na temelju zajedničke borbe i slobodno izražene volje

Translation:
The peoples of Yugoslavia starting from the right of every people to self-determination, including the right to secede on the basis of common struggle and free will


Constituiton 1974, basic principles in full:
Narodi Jugoslavije, polazeći od prava svakog naroda na samoopredeljenje, uključujući i pravo na otcepljenje, na osnovu svoje slobodno izražene volje u zajedničkoj borbi svih naroda i narodnosti u narodnooslobodilačkom ratu i socijalističkoj revoluciji, a u skladu sa svojim istorijskim težnjama, svesni da je dalje učvršćivanje njihovog bratstva i jedinstva u zajedničkom interesu, zajedno sa narodnostima sa kojima žive, ujedinili su se u saveznu republiku slobodnih i ravnopravnih naroda i narodnosti i stvorili socijalističku federativnu zajednicu radnih ljudi —

Translation:
The peoples of Yugoslavia, starting from the right of every people to self-determination, including the right to secede, on the basis of their freely expressed will in the common struggle of all peoples and nationalities in the national liberation war and socialist revolution, and aware of their historical aspirations fraternities and unity in the common interest, together with the nationalities with which they live, united in a federal republic of free and equal peoples and nationalities and created a socialist federal community of working people -

http://mojustav.rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ustav-SFRJ-iz-1974.pdf

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Now, obviously there is no clear administrative procedure stating: in order to go out of federation, a respective republic will need to fill up form b, complete procedure this and that, apply for official hearing, register and file in that office, for final bill will be XX months deadline for appeal, etc... etc... So in first two countries (slovenia and croatia) it went by system of referendum.

It would be interesting to compare how Czechoslovakia for example separated to Czech republic and Slovakia, and what was the legal and constituional backgounds for this separation.
Unfortuantely in ex Yu the war happened.

 

[Excessexpress]

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Brent,

That article is so contrived, using cherry-picked material with misplaced context, drawing such wildly unsupported conclusions that I would expect it to appear in an anti hunting campaign.

 

[Brent in Az]

Brent,

That article is so contrived, using cherry-picked material with misplaced context, drawing such wildly unsupported conclusions that I would expect it to appear in an anti hunting campaign.

I even sent the editor a message demanding proof, or a retraction with apology, for using kids for whatever twisted satire it may be.

So far ....no response.