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Do you know anything about the political situation of the countries you hunt in Africa?

I'm not sure to whom this question was directed, so I will assume it's an open question. In saying that, the following is my answer, and I can't vouch for anyone else.

If memory serves, I've hunted in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Benin, Cameroon and Ethiopia, speaking only of african countries. I've been to many of those countries multiple times, particularly Zimbabwe and South Africa (a total of something 16 safaris). I like to get to know as much as I can about the areas I'm going to hunt in, starting with the flora and fauna. For example, I was really tickled to be hunting in fever tree forests in South Africa, having read about them as a young boy (Rudyard Kipling, Just So Stories). I've been equally fascinated hunting the rain forests of Cameroon (what we'd call jungle), thinking about the Tarzan movies I saw as a youngster, and drinking fresh water from vines my Bako trackers cut for themselves and me). I think I could pass a mid-level natural history exam, especially as it relates to the animals in the areas I've hunted. I've often annoyed a certain PH I hunt with frequently by asking him the Latin taxonomic names of every animal I see and those I shoot. I generally get more than he does. And, as some here will know, I can argue about how many true subspecies of bushbuck there are in Africa, as well as what really constitutes a spiral horn slam.

But enough bragging. On to the particular question.

Just as I want to know what I can about the natural history of the places I'm visiting, I want to know just as much, if not more, about the overall history and politics of those places. So, for example, I can tell you probably more than you'd like to know about the exploration of Africa by Europeans - what some call the "Victorian encounter with Africa." I read lots of adventure books as a child and this led me to begin collecting books by the early explorers of Africa - Richard Francis Burton (not the actor); Henry Stanley; Livingston; Baker; Mungo Park; John Hanning Speke; and others, as well as more modern books, such as The Uganda Protectorate (and many other books by the prolific) by Sir Harry Johnston (an excellent set) and King Leopold's Ghost, as well as Congo by Van Reybrouk. So overall, I believe I'm quite familiar with the colonial history of the continent, extending into the modern day. Much of this interest, by the way, has both driven and been a consequence of my interest in hunting.

Now, with respect to more modern times and political conditions, I've informed myself about Paul Biya, the longest serving non-royal government leader in the world (were you aware of that?), and how he's either addressing or exacerbating for political purposes the issues facing Cameroon, including linguistic issues; I have read a great deal about the history of Rhodesia, both before the bush war, during the bush war (I could probably narrate the Green Leader raid for you), and since the bush war, and I have followed the economic development of the country since about 2005 (a great modern laboratory for the impacts of hyper-inflation - especially fascinating since I have a degree in economics). I know a great deal, probably too much, about the late unlamented Comrade Robert Gabriel Mugabe, as well as his successor, the felicitously named "Crocodile."

When I arrived in Ethiopia it was in the midst of a state of emergency, so I could bore you with the issues facing that country, as well as its history from the time of the Emperor Haile Selassie (the Lion of Judah, who was also the successor in an unbroken line back to the Queen of Sheba, until his overthrow by the Marxist Mengistu). I am a bit less familiar with the current political situation in Benin, although I think I could carry on a reasonable conversation about it, and about the impacts of Lhasa fever outbreaks as well as the incursions by Islamic terrorist in Burkina Faso..

I have learned much of the history of South Africa by reading fiction (Wilbur Smith); I am familiar with the history of the Boer war (an ancestor, whose military portrait I have, fought in it) and I've visited some of the scenes of great battles of the Anglo-Zulu wars (Rork'e Drift and Isandlwana for example) as well as the Boer war; I have familiarized myself with the history of apartheid, I've read Long Walk to Freedom by Nelson Mandela, I've visited the Mandela Capture site and museum; and I could go on. I've learned which Afrikaans singers I like and which I don't, and I've picked up a bit of essential Afrikaans, including very useful words like doos, because I find the culture fascinating. I have a pretty good understanding of the politics of South Africa (to the extent any foreigner can) since Mandela was President (one of his former security officers was on a hunt with mega ndwe spoke about him long into the night).

I'm afraid I've become quite boring. The reason I have gone on at such length - and believe me, I could have gone on much longer - is that I was trying to make a point. No, not that I'm particularly brilliant (for what it's worth, my wife, whose judgement I respect, says I'm not), but that I have learned many of these things because of, and through, hunting. Without hunting, my knowledge of the world, both natural and political, would be shamefully deficient. This, in part, is what hunting has done for me. I am proud of it, just as I am proud to be a hunter.
 
Well Saul, you seem to dislike the government. I get that. If a foreign enemy invades this country, do you want the defense of the citizens left to state control.?

You also seem to think that personal property damage is acceptable , in order to keep the government out of state affairs.?

Maybe you would have a different outlook if it happened to you?. Would you consider it an acceptable loss? things may have calmed down , but the damage has been done. And yes....things did get out of control.

I would like to see the damage totals.
The mayors and governors have not allowed the situation to get out of hand, in fact things seemed to have calmed down considerably. Regardless, federal government overreach in the name of "law and order" sets too dangerous a precedent. The Founders understood the realities of protests, even violent civil unrest, having led many themselves. Yet, they saw it as more necessary to protect the states from the federal government than they did to protect property from protesters.
 
I'm not sure to whom this question was directed, so I will assume it's an open question. In saying that, the following is my answer, and I can't vouch for anyone else.
Thanks for your answer. It was an open question. I asked because I just read about American politics on this thread.
 
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Well Saul, you seem to dislike the government. I get that. If a foreign enemy invades this country, do you want the defense of the citizens left to state control.?

You also seem to think that personal property damage is acceptable , in order to keep the government out of state affairs.?

Maybe you would have a different outlook if it happened to you?. Would you consider it an acceptable loss? things may have calmed down , but the damage has been done. And yes....things did get out of control.

I would like to see the damage totals.
Specifically, concentration of government power at the federal level.

Under such conditions of a foreign invasion, I would expect Congress to authorize military activity within the country, but I would also expect each state to deploy its national guard and form militias. Until such a situation arises, I do not support the federal government attempting to usurp the powers granted to the states by the Constitution. If we are to allow the federal government to bypass states rights in the name of preserving private property, what is going to stop them from using it as precedent to seize even more rights?
 
Do you know anything about the political situation of the countries you hunt in Africa?

Why most hunters are conservative?

imagine, you land as a hunter in Lusaka (you don't know much about it), connecting flight to Mfuwe (you don't know anything about it), at this airport a Safari Operator employee picks you up, they put you into a Cessna and you land on the airstrip of your hunting area (you know it's beautiful there), contact to the population is zero ,except Safari Staff.
Have 10 days of wonderful hunting on the backside of the moon, then a few days in a 5 star hotel somewhere in a safe environment.
You do this 3 times in your life and then you really think you are an Africa expert, but you don't know anything about this country, what makes it socially and politically active.
The bush could be anywhere and the star hotels all have the same luxury.
So it runs by the most hunters.

The remarkable thing about the AfricaHunting forum is that many members are really interested in Africa.

Why most hunters are conservative?

Well, a good question, especially for sociologists.
It's the same all over the world.
There are not many leftwing oriented hunters - yes, there are - but many are not.
Provocatively put, and I'm one of them:
old, white men.
I am also conservative, but I am by no means politically on the side of Dschingis Khan :)
Have a nice sunday
Foxi
 
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@Hank2211, Thanks for your post. Great juxtaposition between yours and what Foxi posted. Some hunters do a deep dive in the locations they hunt and others just go to hunt but they both go for the same thing. I'm not as far in to the particulars as you but I do want to know about the way the locals live, the different plants, and non game animals and birds. Back in the day, at least in my schools, we were taught about the colonial eras around the world. I doubt that's done much today.
 
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These are ticket requests for a Trump rally in Tulsa, at a venue that seats 20,000. The rally takes place on Friday and was just announced last week.

There is an invisible ground swell taking place across the country. November is setting up to be epic!




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Just passed 800,000 tickets. Biggest data haul and rally signup of all time by 10x. Saturday is going to be amazing!
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These are ticket requests for a Trump rally in Tulsa, at a venue that seats 20,000. The rally takes place on Friday and was just announced last week.

There is an invisible ground swell taking place across the country. November is setting up to be epic!




Brad Parscale
@parscale


Just passed 800,000 tickets. Biggest data haul and rally signup of all time by 10x. Saturday is going to be amazing!
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Wheels-wow.
I'm really curious, the European press writes as if it's already over.
 
These are ticket requests for a Trump rally in Tulsa, at a venue that seats 20,000. The rally takes place on Friday and was just announced last week.

There is an invisible ground swell taking place across the country. November is setting up to be epic!




Brad Parscale
@parscale


Just passed 800,000 tickets. Biggest data haul and rally signup of all time by 10x. Saturday is going to be amazing!
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10:37 AM · Jun 14, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Wheels, I'm ready.

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Wheels-wow.
I'm really curious, the European press writes as if it's already over.

Foxi, Don't know about Europe's press, but here in the U.S. 99.99% of what they spew is either a lie, distorted reality, an editorial, an opinion piece or blatant propaganda. Bottom line, talk is cheap.
 
Wheels-wow.
I'm really curious, the European press writes as if it's already over.

I don’t know how European media reports, but if it is anything like American media then they are pushing an agenda and trying to build a narrative.

Polls are set up to drive a narrative as well. If you see Biden leading, that is pollsters and media. Not real life.

1. A significant number of Trump supporters refuse to be part of polls. Pollsters know this but are not adjusting for it.

2. Pollsters also poll voters. Many people in 2016 had never voted before. In all likelihood , many more people that have never voted will vote for trump in 2020. This group will be underreported.

3. Also, most polls are national polls which have no bearing on the electoral college. ie: Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election because states determine the election, not a national popular vote.

4. The media has made the environment so toxic that Many people that vote for trump will not admit it. They may say they won’t vote or will vote for biden, then Election Day vote trump. This happened in 2016 too.

trump/Barr will expose corruption in the obama administration and Clinton campaign prior to this election.

I can go on and on. In fact just look back at my posts on the subject in this thread.

IMO, trump wins in a landslide
 
The problem with what previously was called a survey, more recently a poll is that someone has to hire the pollster. In virtually every case the one commissioning the poll has a desired outcome. The pollster is aware of the desired outcome and so the pollster wants to have a satisfied (repeat) customer so the pollster can employ a wide range of tactics to obtain the desired result. the result is a poll that does not necessarily match the actual opinions of the people polled or the population from which the sampling was selected. To determine the value of any poll the reviewer would need to know a lot more information about the poll, pollster and population than the short answer results will show.
 
I don’t know how European media reports, but if it is anything like American media then they are pushing an agenda and trying to build a narrative.

Polls are set up to drive a narrative as well. If you see Biden leading, that is pollsters and media. Not real life.

1. A significant number of Trump supporters refuse to be part of polls. Pollsters know this but are not adjusting for it.

2. Pollsters also poll voters. Many people in 2016 had never voted before. In all likelihood , many more people that have never voted will vote for trump in 2020. This group will be underreported.

3. Also, most polls are national polls which have no bearing on the electoral college. ie: Hillary won the popular vote but lost the election because states determine the election, not a national popular vote.

4. The media has made the environment so toxic that Many people that vote for trump will not admit it. They may say they won’t vote or will vote for biden, then Election Day vote trump. This happened in 2016 too.

trump/Barr will expose corruption in the obama administration and Clinton campaign prior to this election.

I can go on and on. In fact just look back at my posts on the subject in this thread.

IMO, trump wins in a landslide
I am somewhat less confident - but praying you are correct. What we don't need is a hanging chad event. Watched this again just as a morale boost!

 
I am somewhat less confident - but praying you are correct. What we don't need is a hanging chad event. Watched this again just as a morale boost!


Dumb as a bag of hammers. As the video attests, they unilaterally convinced 90% of the electorate they fit that description.
 
I am somewhat less confident - but praying you are correct. What we don't need is a hanging chad event. Watched this again just as a morale boost!



That's a video that needs played anytime an individual is in a melancholy mood, or if they just want a good laugh.:D

I understand your sentiment and certainly respect your opinion.


Most people reading this thread will think that I have always been an ardent Trump supporter. That is not the case. I despise many of the personal characteristics of Trump. He is certainly not a fiscal conservative. A couple days before the 2016 election, I was leaning toward Johnson. If Johnson hadn't been the worst libertarian candidate to ever run, I probably would have voted for him. It all came down to a piece of paper showing Trump's SCOTUS candidates. The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society had come up with that list. I knew enough about those organizations that I voted for Trump, knowing that at least one vacancy was open. I have become a convert to Trump since the 2016 election.

In his first year, Trump did more things, fighting against more obstacles than any president I could remember. Then in December, 2017 I spent a couple weeks doing a deep dive into what was called Russia gate and now called Obama gate, and some of the corruption within the Department of State, CIA, Department of Justice and Department of Defense. Also time was spent looking at the corruption surrounding the Clinton's. Looking back, it seemed we were the 2016 election away from loosing our Republic. I tend to think providence was involved.

In the four years since 2016, more people have learned what the Obama administration and Clinton's have done. The left has gone so far off the tracks that the centrist Democrats have no where to go. The Democratic party and the media lie and are so insincere that many primary school kids see through the veneer. In 2020, many middle of the road Democrats may choose to vote for Trump or not vote at all.

Barr/Durham indictments or plea deals will start coming out prior to the 2020 election IMHO, along with the stories of what actually happened. This will turn off much of the Democratic base and prove an inverse of 1976 election.

Last week Biden had a video talk that was covered by twitter. I saw a screen shot where less than 100 screens were viewing that Biden talk. This same week, 800,000 people want to go to a Trump rally at a 20,000 seat venue, in a town of 1.2m, in a State with 4m. Something is going on we haven't seen in our lifetime. The more rioting, looting, CHAS's that happen, the stronger Trump gets.

Trump won 30 states in 2016. 40 may be in reach in 2020.


I have been wrong many times in my life and could certainly be wrong on this, but I am feeling more confident every day closer we get to the election.;)

Here is to a celebration on November 3!:D Cheers:
 

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