Which Calibre Should Be Consigned to the Grave

[Rafiki]

Any WSM or WSSM.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

.460 Weatherby Magnum. Damn, is it’s recoil beastly.

That said, if using well balanced hand loads in a properly extracting rifle… the cartridge itself may be made to work rather efficiently.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

A few weeks ago there were a couple threads stating that the .375H&H should be banned from buffalo hunting and it was inadequate for plains game. So I say the .375 H&H! Not really, just stirring some sh@t.

That's funny! Wish I'd thought of it.

And who made the decision to use the particular bullet on the particular game? The shooter. Everything has design/use limitations, and we can’t blame them when the fail to work as designed outside of design parameters. Know your gear

I think we can agree on that. I just get tired of hearing people say that caliber doesn't matter at all, only shot placement counts.

 

[Aaron N]

That's funny! Wish I'd thought of it.

I think we can agree on that. I just get tired of hearing people say that caliber doesn't matter at all, only shot placement counts.

I’ll agree with you on that one!

 

[steve white]

Look at all the calibers developed after Nitro was developed. Aside from classic BPE calibers rejigged for nitro 500, 450 etc, look at all the medium bores that became the preferred stalking rifles than the large bores of yesteryear. I’m not saying the calibers made any difference, I’m saying the staunch large bore BPE hunters lamnented about these new small high velocity (at the time) rounds. Just like how people complain about new calibers (CM’s, 6.8 Western) on here.

And how we still fight about mono vs bonded vs cup and core. People are stubborn and resistant to change, but that doesn’t mean that a new calibre doesn’t deserve to exist because someone doesn’t like it. Let the market decide.

yep, we're a bunch of pesky recidivists.

 

[steve white]

Well, the .22 long has been around too long, not serving any really good purpose. Doubt if anyone wants an old 303 Savage unless someone has an old gun in Canada. Most stuff was made to fill a niche, and we all need our niches filled.
I'm not knocking anyone's gun. In fact I only ask that you leave the 16 ga. out of this--it's better in every measure than a 20 ga. after all.

 

[Russ16]

I’ll get slammed for this but the one I’ve never understood is the .308. It’s like 90% a 30-06. Why not just get a 30-06? Understood the need when it was developed nor the military but as a hunting gun those advantages don’t apply.

But I’m one that believes that a 375 H&H and a 30-06 are probably all you need to hunt the world.

 

[Milo]

Anything "creedmoor". The Nickleback of rifle cartridges.

 

[analog_peninsula]

A few weeks ago there were a couple threads stating that the .375H&H should be banned from buffalo hunting and it was inadequate for plains game. So I say the .375 H&H! Not really, just stirring some sh@t.

I will say that thread was the best, most inventive troll in recent memory. It’s like saying, “Motherhood is only a fad” or “Apple pie and baseball are only for Communist sympathizers”. I can’t believe so many got sucked into such an obvious troll.

 

[Tex .416]

.460 Weatherby Magnum. Damn, is it’s recoil beastly.

That said, if using well balanced hand loads in a properly extracting rifle… the cartridge itself may be made to work rather efficiently.

The case volume seems very comparable to the .450 Rigby. If it was loaded down to the .450 Rigby level, could it be a comparable and more pleasant round? Hard to understand why the .450 Rigby is not more popular among the .45 cal fans.

 

[Betterinthebush]

.444 Marlin

You had a good run. It was a short career, but It’s time to retire.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

The case volume seems very comparable to the .450 Rigby. If it was loaded down to the .450 Rigby level, could it be a comparable and more pleasant round? Hard to understand why the .450 Rigby is not more popular among the .45 cal fans.

Yes, you got it 100% right !

 

[Flbt]

.460 Weatherby Magnum. Damn, is it’s recoil beastly.

That said, if using well balanced hand loads in a properly extracting rifle… the cartridge itself may be made to work rather efficiently.

They are nasty
One shot was enough for me

 

[Flbt]

gun and load combo
The light cut down door bracher shotgun
Emergency drill with 00 magnum buck

 

[CBH Australia]

I think the Creedmoor hype is dying off so that’s a start.

Bob has been paged so it will be interesting to see which cartridge he would wipe off the face of the earth.

I have a .280a.i. On a Tikka action and I seem to like the 7mm calibre.

I don’t think shot placement replaces displacement. Both are important but poor shot placement with the wrong calibre or projectile is almost always going to be inadequate and won’t get a clean kill as far as hunting or culling goes.

I think @odonata sums it up providing all the acronyms for a heap of cartridges. Each to their own but I have simply tried to stay with mainstream stuff for availability.

I think there are some gains in this acronym cartridges but I don’t think 100fps is a game changer for the most part. Not in the capacity I’m using them.

 

[DillonG]

Admittedly, I am naive on the WSM detractors. What is the primary complaint when comparing the 300 Win Mag and the 300 WSM?

 

[Flbt]

I think the Creedmoor hype is dying off so that’s a start.

Bob has been paged so it will be interesting to see which cartridge he would wipe off the face of the earth.

I have a .280a.i. On a Tikka action and I seem to like the 7mm calibre.

I don’t think shot placement replaces displacement. Both are important but poor shot placement with the wrong calibre or projectile is almost always going to be inadequate and won’t get a clean kill as far as hunting or culling goes.

I think @odonata sums it up providing all the acronyms for a heap of cartridges. Each to their own but I have simply tried to stay with mainstream stuff for availability.

I think there are some gains in this acronym cartridges but I don’t think 100fps is a game changer for the most part. Not in the capacity I’m using them.

Talking of shot placment
I saw a under 100lbs doe ripped by a 338 rem ultra mag.
She still ran 75 yds.
She was a mess but she held on to life very strongly.

 

[Grumpy gumpy]

Admittedly, I am naive on the WSM detractors. What is the primary complaint when comparing the 300 Win Mag and the 300 WSM?

300 wsm is actually the best of the wsm range, in my opinion. The win mag is over rated for the amount of powder consumed, doesn’t really matter though,each to their own.
The 223 wssm now…..what a debacle that is, far too much case for the calibre
Gumpy

 

[Flbt]

They did not improve what was all ready there.
The only wsm I would want is the 325
But only in one rifle the take down blr

The wssm I believe is where they really mess up. If they would have used the wsm case instead of the wssm
The 22 would have been a new 220 sfit
The 243 would have been faster than the 240 wb mag image if the long heavy bullets would have been popular the 243 wsm with say a 120gr at around 32-3400 fps
Same with the 25 faster than the 257 wb

Admittedly, I am naive on the WSM detractors. What is the primary complaint when comparing the 300 Win Mag and the 300 WSM?

 

[analog_peninsula]

I’m actually a fan of the .270 wsm. I’ve got a Winchester 1885 with a 28” barrel, and you can get pretty special velocity out of the combo with the 110 grain TSX. My starter load at a bit over 3300 fps was exceedingly effective on west Texas hogs.

I’m generally not a fan of the 300, but I recently bought a lightweight HS Precision that’s under 6 lbs with a 22” barrel. For a lightweight rifle with real punch, it’s pretty impressive.

My 7mm wsm experience is limited to my Browning Short-trac, which I bought on close out for cheap. The idea was to have a rapid second shot on hogs in locations that weren’t conducive to using an AR for whatever reason. For what it’s worth, it’s been decisive as well, but the cartridge is easily the least popular wsm, and I keep a modest stock of brass as an insurance policy.