So I've been playing with oil finishes

The gun has side clips, the greener crossbolt, double triggers, and several other features that the Aya-Sauer VIII had… the more I look into it, I think that what I might have on my hands..

Still not a crazy expensive gun… it looks like in good shape they go $1500-$3000…

And probably not something I’d seriously devalue with a stock refinish.. so I think I’ll move forward with the project…

I’ve got $300 in the gun out the door.. not a whole lot at risk here..

Nice bargain @mdwest

For that particular shotgun, here's what I would do to it:

1.) I would use kroil and fine bronze wool (not steel!) and card off any surface rust or grime from the barrels. They will look way better.

2.) I would take a bit of fine bronze wool wrapped around an old bronze brush. Load it up with a ton of kroil and I'd give each barrel 50 passes. The bores will be as pristine as they can be.

3.) I'd use warm dawn dishsoap and a soft toothbrush to get all the grime and filth out of the checkering. I would allow it to dry for a week before messing with the stock in any other way.

4.) I'd use mineral spirits on the stock to get any oils or filth off the wood.

5.) I'd do 3-5 coats of thin timberluxe on the stock. I might dissolve some steel wool into white vinegar for a month, then add a drop or two of that to the timberluxe to add more stain, giving the stock a darker appearance.

All of the above "does no harm" and removes minimum originality. The gun will be ready for a number of years in the field.
 
This is my first post outside the introduction forum. I just took delivery of a Gunbroker-sourced NIB Model 70 Safari Express in 416 REM. I've read mixed reviews of the fit & finish on the Portuguese BACO guns, but I'm pretty satisfied with what I received. The stock has an interesting grain structure all around but it's hampered by the factory finish (or perhaps the stock is dried out from storage?) Is Timberluxe the best/easiest thing I need to make the grain stand out? I'm neither gunsmith nor woodworker; just a new gun owner wanting to make the best of a new rifle stock. I can find all kinds of info for refinishing old guns, but what is the right thing for a brand new Model 70 stock?

A little off topic, but I'm finding the iron sights almost impossible to use with the cheekpiece. I am expecting to increase LOP to 14.5" but I don't think this will help. Should I just be prepared to mount an optic of some kind? This is my first M70, my first cheekpiece, and my first big bore rifle.
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This is my first post outside the introduction forum. I just took delivery of a Gunbroker-sourced NIB Model 70 Safari Express in 416 REM. I've read mixed reviews of the fit & finish on the Portuguese BACO guns, but I'm pretty satisfied with what I received. The stock has an interesting grain structure all around but it's hampered by the factory finish (or perhaps the stock is dried out from storage?) Is Timberluxe the best/easiest thing I need to make the grain stand out? I'm neither gunsmith nor woodworker; just a new gun owner wanting to make the best of a new rifle stock. I can find all kinds of info for refinishing old guns, but what is the right thing for a brand new Model 70 stock?

A little off topic, but I'm finding the iron sights almost impossible to use with the cheekpiece. I am expecting to increase LOP to 14.5" but I don't think this will help. Should I just be prepared to mount an optic of some kind? This is my first M70, my first cheekpiece, and my first big bore rifle.View attachment 725488View attachment 725489

Welcome to the forum. Your first step is to figure out if that rifle has a plastic (polyurethane) finish on it, or if it was an oil finish? If it is an oil finish, that’s good, its alive, never 100% dries, and you can bond more oil finish to it whether BLO, Timberluxe, or other.

If its polyurethane on the other hand, nothing sticks to plastic and plastic cannot reactivate to get a bond to an oil finish, that would require you to strip the whole thing down to bare wood, then stain it, then build it back up.

Do a bit of research on what you have and we can help you figure out how to make it nicer.

P.s. - A nice London Orange pad would make that rifle look a 100 years older. (Better?)
 
Regarding cheek piece. The rifle’s stock geometry was built for a scope and you’re finding it hard to get it to work with irons. The Drop At Heal would need to be brought down with a rasp/file to get the dimensions to be an iron sight rifle. That would be a full strip of the stock and building it back up after shaping. It’s a lot of work, but it is doable if you have the passion.
 
From the look and feel, I can't imagine this having a poly finish as it is very dull. BUT maybe that's what is meant by a satin finish? Maybe someone who knows about current production rifles will chime in.

From the description: Satin finish grade I Walnut stock
From the maintenance section in the manual: Wood surfaces can also be wiped with a quality, lightweight gun oil or they can be polished with any quality furniture wax (but not both).
 
This is a timely thread. For the last week I have been chasing blacktails in the rain on Prince of Wales island with my 1953 Paul Jaeger custom Mauser 7x57. The daily soakings are taking their toll on the stock finish. I determined my winter project is to restore this stock finish. I thought it had an oil finish but now that it has gotten wet repeatedly it seems to have some sort of varnish that is lifting in places.
 
From the look and feel, I can't imagine this having a poly finish as it is very dull. BUT maybe that's what is meant by a satin finish? Maybe someone who knows about current production rifles will chime in.

From the description: Satin finish grade I Walnut stock
From the maintenance section in the manual: Wood surfaces can also be wiped with a quality, lightweight gun oil or they can be polished with any quality furniture wax (but not both).
Yes, some finishes that have satin surface are poly. Conversely, some finishes that have gloss surface are not poly. Poly finishes tend to be the most durable and weather resistant but are the most difficult to refurb if damaged.
 
The gun has side clips, the greener crossbolt, double triggers, and several other features that the Aya-Sauer VIII had… the more I look into it, I think that what I might have on my hands..

Still not a crazy expensive gun… it looks like in good shape they go $1500-$3000…

And probably not something I’d seriously devalue with a stock refinish.. so I think I’ll move forward with the project…

I’ve got $300 in the gun out the door.. not a whole lot at risk here..

things just keep getting better on this shotgun...

Ive continued to research to try to make sure I know what I am dealing with...

I DO NOT have a matador... and I DO NOT have an AyA Sauer VIII...

What I have (100% confirmed now) is an AyA No 3.. and one of the very earliest ones ever made (1945-1946)..

Most in reasonable condition go between $2500-$3000.. this one I think can be brought back to NRA Good condition with just a little TLC.. there is no pitting, the bores are in good shape.. the wood has the scratches and minor dents you'd expect to find on a 80 year old shotgun.. but there are no cracks, no deep scratches, no gouges, etc.. It functions perfectly, locks up tight, etc (I honestly dont think its been used much... my best guess is it got handled a bit over the years but probably rarely taken to the field)...

At any rate I am certainly not upset about paying $300 for it lol..
 
things just keep getting better on this shotgun...

Ive continued to research to try to make sure I know what I am dealing with...

I DO NOT have a matador... and I DO NOT have an AyA Sauer VIII...

What I have (100% confirmed now) is an AyA No 3.. and one of the very earliest ones ever made (1945-1946)..

Most in reasonable condition go between $2500-$3000.. this one I think can be brought back to NRA Good condition with just a little TLC.. there is no pitting, the bores are in good shape.. the wood has the scratches and minor dents you'd expect to find on a 80 year old shotgun.. but there are no cracks, no deep scratches, no gouges, etc.. It functions perfectly, locks up tight, etc (I honestly dont think its been used much... my best guess is it got handled a bit over the years but probably rarely taken to the field)...

At any rate I am certainly not upset about paying $300 for it lol..
That’s awesome! Being willing (eager?) to put in a little elbow grease can turn into a real treasure hunt. Glad you’ve ended up with a winning ticket.
 
I have been building furniture since shop class in the 6th grade. I have tried just about every combination of hand rubbed, wipe on and spray finishes. deluded with mineral spirits, paint thinner, lacquer thinner, turpentine, etc Some have worked well and others a complete failures.

For things that need to be around water I use a poly finish the rest I use a tung oil finish. When I tried them on gunstocks didn't work as well. So went back and tried all the same methodology due to stocks have different requirements.. and Renewing a current oil finish vs raw wood finishing are also a bit different in the processes.

For gunstocks
1. Timberluxe
2. Linspreed
3. My tung oil mixture.

For very wet climates Just get a synthetic stock and go hunt. As I lunched a wood stock on Prince of wales also but I was hunting black bears. It took me a bit to restore that stock.
 
The pics look awesome! I re-finished a Winchester Model 12 pump shotgun stock and thought it looked great.....nope! Not compared to the pics. I'm going to keep this info for future projects. Thanks guys!
 
Good news and so-so news regarding current production Model 70 Safari Express stock finish. Good news is customer service answered my question via email in less than a day. So-so news is the finish is satin polyurethane, which I think was expected. I should probably just live with it awhile and see how it ages, rubbing it down with light oil (maybe mineral oil when wiping down the metal). Any suggestions SHORT OF sanding it down? That could always come later.
 
For years I've had two options for oil finishes on wood, I'm really liking a third that is a shortcut.

The traditional options:

1.) The very best finish takes 6-9 months and about 20-40 hours. It's the Purdey finish. A drop a day for a week, a drop a week for 6 weeks. A drop a month for 6 months. Rubbing it down between coats, using rottenstone, etc. This is what should be done for a true best shotgun and perhaps a quarter of a million dollar double rifle. Its not practical for most people or most guns.

2.) The easy traditional route, put mineral spirits on a vintage gun, remove any surface petrochemicals, let it dry for a few minutes, then use Boiled Linseed Oil in small amounts. Typically 3-5-7 coats can reactivate and enrich the original finish. It's not difficult, its moderately slow, and it looks okay.

3.) Dishonorable mention. Truoil. It's horrible. It's pimpy. It has no place on a fine gun unless its a Perazzi or Kolar and you're a trap shooter looking for a crazy high gloss finish.

What I've been playing with for the last few years:

There's a product called Timberluxe. It comes in 2 ounce vials, enough to do MANY rifles. It has more hardeners than option 1 or 2 above, so it cooperates and can rejuvenate and restore a gun or rifle in 2-3 coats put on every other day for less than a week. Application time per coat is about 15 mins. It has a bit of color to it and it can be applied in a few different ways. The normal way is to rub it into the grain on coat one, making a satin finish. Go back two days later and do it again, maybe twice more. If you want a British satin finish, you're done. If you want closer to a best finish, the final coat you apply you do not rub off the surface, you leave it a bit thick and wet. After 3-5 days of hardening, you have more of an italian semi-gloss finish. A vial of this stuff runs around $25 a vial. The vial is good for about 3 weeks before it oxidizes after opening, so its best to do several guns in a short timeframe. This system is very forgiving and you're applying it with fingers, so lint or rubbing out with a cloth is not required at all. The only really important task is to have a used soft toothbrush handy. After every coat, cut the checkering with the toothbrush in all directions to make sure any molecule of oil that fell into the checkering is thinned out. DON'T finish the checkering! At the very end of the process, you can use a toothbrush and very light amounts of oil to cut the checkering with the toothbrush.

Above all, do no harm. Gloppy overzealous finish or shiny, glossy checkering from amateur stock work is absolutely hideous and destroys value.

In conclusion, I like that Timberluxe is MUCH faster to apply, is very forgiving, and yet its just slow enough that you really have to be negligent to create a problem you can't undo. (problem = you put on 10x too much in one go, then put too much on again while the prior coat was still sticky)
Just asking have you ever tried plinkingtos gun stock finish? It takes a month or so to properly finish a stock. Made for fine shotguns or a traditional finish. Believe Brownells stopped carrying it. Don’t know if it is still available, I have a few bottles left to get me through. Great stuff!!!
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This is a timely thread. For the last week I have been chasing blacktails in the rain on Prince of Wales island with my 1953 Paul Jaeger custom Mauser 7x57. The daily soakings are taking their toll on the stock finish. I determined my winter project is to restore this stock finish. I thought it had an oil finish but now that it has gotten wet repeatedly it seems to have some sort of varnish that is lifting in places.
Pics I tried to attach earlier, now sitting in Ketchikan airport with better service. Really want to get this stock better equipped to handle wet weather hunting.
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I agree True Oil is junk. I use Linspeed. Apply with finger, let dry forty minutes to hour, then rub off with paper towel. Keep doing this till grain us filled. Then start building coats if gloss finish is desired. I prefer my oil finishes with satin look. Agree, stay out of the checkering until last coat. Use a toothbrush to lightly apply one coat to checkering.
@Ontario Hunter
I'm a great believer in LINSPEED, great product easy to use and gives a beautiful finish.
Bob
 
things just keep getting better on this shotgun...

Ive continued to research to try to make sure I know what I am dealing with...

I DO NOT have a matador... and I DO NOT have an AyA Sauer VIII...

What I have (100% confirmed now) is an AyA No 3.. and one of the very earliest ones ever made (1945-1946)..

Most in reasonable condition go between $2500-$3000.. this one I think can be brought back to NRA Good condition with just a little TLC.. there is no pitting, the bores are in good shape.. the wood has the scratches and minor dents you'd expect to find on a 80 year old shotgun.. but there are no cracks, no deep scratches, no gouges, etc.. It functions perfectly, locks up tight, etc (I honestly dont think its been used much... my best guess is it got handled a bit over the years but probably rarely taken to the field)...

At any rate I am certainly not upset about paying $300 for it lol..
@mdwest
And here's me thinking you are an honest man. At that price you stole it not bought it.
Love it when you get good finds like that.
Well done and enjoy it.
Bob
 

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