Does RSA have a minimum caliber for PG ? These .223 & 6mm test are infuriating

[ActionBob]

I often wonder what hunting haute couture was before the advent of camo.

 

[Flbt]

I'm not sure about that, Montana doesn't have a caliber restriction and all the hunters I know go as big as they can, to drop the animals as fast as possible. But yeah, with these idiots on the internet, I can the younger generation trying to use varmint guns and losing game.

Fl says center fire.
22-250 was popular in the 90 when the 204 came out it was popular
I have even seen the 17 hornet being used

 

[375er]

Fl says center fire.
22-250 was popular in the 90 when the 204 came out it was popular
I have even seen the 17 hornet being used

Well, perhaps these idiots should stick to going to dance clubs with their same sex partners and leave ETHICAL hunting and wildlife management to people with common sense.

 

[Tbitty]

Lets just say.... I've had bad experiences..... Consistently bad experiences!

Don't get me wrong they make good gear and I own some of it, but it seem like the Sitka Tuxedo has become the Louis Vuitton purse of the poser hunters.

My ideal hunter to guide for whitetail will show up with.....

Empty large ice chest in the back of his truck.
Brown overalls
His own pair of binoculars
.270, .308 or 30-06

Then I know he came ready to take care of business!...... efficiently

It is kind of funny ... I have quite a bit of Sitka gear, but I have never bought any of it for more than 50% of retail price. It started with people buying me gifts of a jacket or pant of some variety. From there, I'd skim their outlet section of the website or find discontinued products from other stores to finish a color pattern (my Sitka Tuxuedo).

I hear people rag on Sitka a lot, and agree that they are probably over priced compared to off-brand options. Because of this, I rarely will wear a full Sitka outfit when in the company of others due to the negative perception. Instead I show up with my plain color brown/green pants and shirts maybe a camo jacket/hat, my own binos, and a .270/.308/.30-06 (or 25-06).

 

[Boone66]

It is kind of funny ... I have quite a bit of Sitka gear, but I have never bought any of it for more than 50% of retail price. It started with people buying me gifts of a jacket or pant of some variety. From there, I'd skim their outlet section of the website or find discontinued products from other stores to finish a color pattern (my Sitka Tuxuedo).

I hear people rag on Sitka a lot, and agree that they are probably over priced compared to off-brand options. Because of this, I rarely will wear a full Sitka outfit when in the company of others due to the negative perception. Instead I show up with my plain color brown/green pants and shirts maybe a camo jacket/hat, my own binos, and a .270/.308/.30-06 (or 25-06).

It sure seems like the tide is turning against hunters in full cammo, I even find myself doing it during hunting season. Out of state tags, new F350, full expense cammo, brand new long range gun set up, yep, staying away from this idiot.

 

[Rem280]

I had a coworker show up to a hog hunt with a .223 and Hornady V-Max ammo, after shooting his first hog 6 times in the chest and having to use his 40 S&W to finish the job he was very dissapointed. The next day I loaned him my back-up .270 using 140 grain Accubonds and all his problems vanished. If the .223 was such a effective hunting round why did they develope the 300 Blackout and the 6.8 SPC?

Everyone would want to hog hunt with me using their AR in 5.56/.223.

 

[BeeMaa]

I often wonder what hunting haute couture was before the advent of camo.

My grandfather wore Woolrich all wool trousers, shirts, overcoat and hat. Most of it was black and red checkerboard pattern and he always came home with venison.

 

[dchum]

You have to understand that it's pure marketing, their selling confidence to the inexperienced.

I've seen in the last 4-5 years the number of whitetail hunters showing up with drop grip stocks, massive scopes, muzzle brakes and bipods; explode in popularity and not just amongst the younger crowd - the 50yo+ guys who love to dress up in the Sitka Tuxedo have adapted this mantra whole heartedly.

If you have 4 guys show up in King Ranch F350's wearing matching Sitka gear you know they will be pulling out rifles in one of the new long range calibers or an AR platform with more attachments than a Swiss army knife.

These are typically hunters that only go on hunts when they get invited on a free hunt paid for by a company they buy materials from, otherwise they'd rather spend their time in Cabo Mexico or Vegas.

Yep, I worked for a large energy service company who had a corporate lease. All expenses paid - The customer just show up and “hunt”

We would have engineers come from whatever red-neck riviera they were just in then come down to hunt the king ranch in full Sitka pants and jackets. Pull Some “semi” custom new PRC rifle just for us to go sit in box blinds and drive around in the jeep looking for game. Hubble telescope attached to the rifle of course.

I would say “go ahead and turn down your scope to 3 power for me while we drive around incase we bump a Nilgai or hog”.

Which often got replied with “my scope only goes down to 5x or 6x” etc etc. I mean really? a 6-25x scope range? Who the hell buys that for a hunting rifle? My favorite client was one who left his gun at home. Then we just grab the camp 300 win mag with a Leupold 2-10 and go hunt.

“fake rich” oilfield trash new money is USUALLY terrible people. Sorry if I offend anyone

 

[Inkgardener]

Whew, I thought I was getting a little extreme. Ever since I started communicating with this lot all I want to do is shoot a nice whitetail buck off sticks with a .416 Rigby at 30 yards.

 

[CJNJ]

My grandfather wore Woolrich all wool trousers, shirts, overcoat and hat. Most of it was black and red checkerboard pattern and he always came home with venison.
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Still have my grandfathers black and red wool jacket to go with his Savage 99.

 

[Boone66]

I worked with a guy who got his first guided hunt and needed to borrow a rifle. I had a old Remington 700 in 30-06, shot honest 1/2 groups, looked like hell, fixed 4 power weaver, scraped and dented wood stock, cut down barrel to 20in. He met me at the range, shot a fantastic group at 100yds. Had another gun with him, a new wazoo sniper looking gun, that shoot 3in groups. The next day, he said he was taking the new gun, because he didn't want to be laughed out of camp with my loaner. He went after mule deer, had a shot at 300yds at his trophy buck and missed it several times, never got one on that trip. This was years ago, but still holds true, take what matches your game and that shoots the best, don't worry about what other people think.

 

[375Fox]

Short answer to your question is legally on paper yes. In practice no.

When the 6mm giraffe thread came up here a while ago. I listened to several podcasts from the individuals you are referencing. It’s clear they have zero respect for the game they hunt. They are shooters who go killing. I’d prefer to think of myself as a hunter who can shoot. There is a major difference.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Starting to get virtue signaling overload but I'm still going to kill a high fence, RSA, ear tag, cape buffalo with my chassis stocked .17 Fireball. Two 30 grainers out of my push feed Remington bolt action in each eyeball should do the trick. Going haute couture with my clearance sale Walmart camo, the ones where I can show off my tattoos. If this doesn't appeal to anyone, well, like we used to say in the car plant, GFY4x.

 

[RLD]

I worked with a guy who got his first guided hunt and needed to borrow a rifle. I had a old Remington 700 in 30-06, shot honest 1/2 groups, looked like hell, fixed 4 power weaver, scraped and dented wood stock, cut down barrel to 20in. He met me at the range, shot a fantastic group at 100yds. Had another gun with him, a new wazoo sniper looking gun, that shoot 3in groups. The next day, he said he was taking the new gun, because he didn't want to be laughed out of camp with my loaner. He went after mule deer, had a shot at 300yds at his trophy buck and missed it several times, never got one on that trip. This was years ago, but still holds true, take what matches your game and that shoots the best, don't worry about what other people think.

He's in the wrong camp.

I introduced some new friends to hunting last year and helped them buy their first guns. I stuck to very basic but reliable guns for them, nothing fancy. Now these guys are very well off (two doctors and a lawyer) and were surprised that the prices were so reasonable.

I told them "You are way better being the guy who shows up with a $800 gun and can shoot half decent, than showing up with the $5000 gun who can't."

 

[Hogpatrol]

I told them "You are way better being the guy who shows up with a $800 gun and can shoot half decent, than showing up with the $5000 gun who can't."

You Tube videos prove that.

 

[375Ruger416]

Alberta changed regulations this year so 22 cal centerfire and larger are legal for big game. Was 24 cal and larger until last year.

I believe a heavy for caliber 22 cal will kill a small deer effectively, but I see little advantage to the change. I sold my 243 and am starting my sons off with a a 6.5 CM as their beginner hunting caliber. Far more versatile IMO

 

[SRvet]

When I choose a caliber, I am try consider my objective. I want to make a quick clean kill, preserve the hide for mounting, and be safe. So, I would not use a 6mm for any kudu, waterbuck, eland, or giraffe. It may preserve the hide but it may not make a quick clean kill.

I would not use a 300 WSM (my favorite rife and caliber) for the tiny ten. It will make a clean kill but cause too much damage to the hide. I would use my 223 for any tiny ten but not kudu, waterbuck, eland, or giraffe. But I might use my 375 H&H with solids on the tiny ten instead of my 223 if dangerous game were present.

There are acceptable calibers and acceptable bullets for each species, terrain, distance, and objective. I don't think skill level should be a factor in caliber and bullet selection. I believe it is arrogance (attitude of superiority) and ignorance (lack of knowledge) that causes one to shoot inappropriate calibers and bullets in inappropriate circumstance.

"Stupid is as stupid does!"

No there you go again applying common sense and logic to the situation!
I totally agree with you and decided many years ago to use the biggest calibre I can shoot accurately but to stay within reason. I find the 6.5s acceptable at killing but the 30 cals kill faster. I wouldn’t use a 338 Lapua on a dangerous game hunt as I have a .375 that I can shoot accurately etc.
Has anyone else noticed how poorly the 50 BMG kills game on YouTube. I’m sure this is down to bullet choice being suboptimal but I have never seen a video that impressed me.

 

[pilar]

My grandfather wore Woolrich all wool trousers, shirts, overcoat and hat. Most of it was black and red checkerboard pattern and he always came home with venison.
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lol , this is the exact same outfit I bought in anchorage Alaska when I went to buy my moose permit, still have it, and wore it during the 2021 Texas Snowstorm where it was
0* for 10 days, wife said I looked like a damn fool , but I was a warm one
And nobody complained when I was dragging people out of snow banks with my 4x4 John deer 65hp or clearing driveways with the FEL so the fuel trucks can deliver emergency propane

Love my wool for hunting

 

[Boone66]

He's in the wrong camp.

I introduced some new friends to hunting last year and helped them buy their first guns. I stuck to very basic but reliable guns for them, nothing fancy. Now these guys are very well off (two doctors and a lawyer) and were surprised that the prices were so reasonable.

I told them "You are way better being the guy who shows up with a $800 gun and can shoot half decent, than showing up with the $5000 gun who can't."

Right

 

[pilar]

Short answer to your question is legally on paper yes. In practice no.

When the 6mm giraffe thread came up here a while ago. I listened to several podcasts from the individuals you are referencing. It’s clear they have zero respect for the game they hunt. They are shooters who go killing. I’d prefer to think of myself as a hunter who can shoot. There is a major difference.

Those two ZZ Top bearded fools told me they have killed over 400 elk with .223 77gr TMK @ 400-600 yards and considered 6mm as a over kill if you follow their instructions on their podcast and buy their ammo! ( I swallowed their bait for a argument and then the FUDD bashing went ballistic)
I looked today and they deleted the transcripts, cowards, and a embarrassing bunch of freaks pushing their false narratives on ethical hunting
With a brainwashed following !
This is a old video of one of their test , pathetic imo