Traditionally inaccurate cartridges

[gajie270]

Many cartridges are not considered very accurate by many because of their history as traditional hunting cartridges. Such as 270, 30-06, 7x57, 257 Robb. And many dangerous game cartridges.
What guns do you all have that disprove these claims ,and show groups too if you can.

 

[Finprof]

I don’t have groups to show you but there are a lot of dead Viet Cong due to Carlos Hathcock and his 30/06. The 30/06 was a standard competition cartridge in the 20s and 30s. There were lots 100 scores at Wimbledon with it.

 

[IvW]

Many cartridges are not considered very accurate by many because of their history as traditional hunting cartridges. Such as 270, 30-06, 7x57, 257 Robb. And many dangerous game cartridges.
What guns do you all have that disprove these claims ,and show groups too if you can.

Who are these many that consider these cartridges as inaccurate?

 

[gajie270]

Mostly modern tactical shooters who see wood and a traditional Cartridge and dismiss it as precise For reasons unknown to me.
Edit: especially with big bores.

Who are these many that consider these cartridges as inaccurate?

 

[USMA84DAB]

The load tested in the upper left is 5 rounds at 100 yards, .416 Ruger 400 grain solids from Barnes.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

All of my old calibers shoot as well as I do. About 1.5” at 100 yards.

 

[Tra3]

An old, poorly maintained rifle in .270 may not shoot tight groups. A new .270 from a good gun maker will. I don’t think it is the caliber that makes for poor grouping.

I suspect that the people you are getting this information from has less experience than they would want you to believe.

 

[Aaron N]

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the 270 being described as an inaccurate cartridge. Quite the opposite I’d say….

 

[Berettaco]

Not sure who thinks those cartridges are inaccurate. Second question is how do you define accuracy?
270 win is my favorite cartridge and quite accurate. I have a cooper 270, 2 kimber 270s and a tikka 270 that all shoot .5” at 200 with Aframes or partitions. My win 70 supergrade 30-06 shoots 1” or less at 200 depending on the load. I think any cartridge has the ability to be very accurate - the big variable is the rifle and then the shooter
The groups below are all with hunting scopes - mainly 3-10 power

 

[grand veneur]

There are no inaccurate cartridges but inaccurate weapons or weapons that are not suitable for a particular cartridge.

 

[gajie270]

. I think any cartridge has the ability to be very accurate - the big variable is the rifle and then the shooter

I agree with you on this. the vast majority is the shooter and rifle. Which is why I made this thread because an old cartridge with a new rifle creates a tack driver. I have two rifles(270 win and 257wea.) That both shoot >1/2 groups when I do my part.

 

[meigsbucks]

.45/70 Ruger #3

.270. Savage 110

.257 Roberts Kimber Montana

.416 Ruger Ruger Alaskan

 

[WAB]

I’m not sure I see the point you are trying to make. Every cartridge you list is known to be inherently accurate. The Boers made quite a practice of center punching British helmet medallions with 7x57’s at great distances. The .30-06 was a standard sniper cartridge for many years. Really curious, what is the point you are making?

 

[Vintageguy]

First 300 H&H factory Hornady 4 shots fired from Winchester model 70 made 1955. Not listed in your list of calibers but here because I like it.
Second 30-06 hand load 3 shots, looks like 2, from a Winchester model 70 Featherweight made 1961
Third 30-06 hand load 3 shots from a Winchester 54 made 1931
Last 375H&H handload, 3 shots 300 grain AFrames from a Winchester model 70 Safari Express, Portugal made.
All fired from bench at 100 yards.
I love the old rifles and you can tell I’m a Winchester guy. The new Winchesters are great rifles too. I would add that my hand loads aren’t super tweaked loads. I load to c.o.a.l. Recommended in the manuals and I keep things pretty conservative. I mention this because a lot of people assume you only get good groups with specially tailored loads for each rifle and that isn’t the case for me. My featherweight for instance, doesn’t seem to give a rip what I fire through it. I’ve had one hole 3 shot groups with the cheap steel cased Barnaul I use to play with. I don’t shoot beyond 400 ever and prefer to stay within point blank hold range but I still like way under sub moa groups, who doesn’t. I had a 270 in a Savage with a $39.95 Tasco on it as a kid that would put every shot through the same ragged hole if you could and the barrel would get so hot it would burn you good but would still keep it up. For me it’s how the bore is cleaned that made the biggest difference for me but that’s a different topic.

 

[Nyati]

Accuracy depends more on quality of your ammunition than on caliber.

That is why we use Match Grade ammo in competition.

 

[spike.t]

Well the stainless synthetic rem 700 with iron sights in 270 the manager uses, I took when was at ranch earlier this month, as with Christmas could only be there short time...needed some meat for staff Christmas present...it shot minute of puku at bout 60 to 70 yards....honestly not bothered if something puts it into one hole from a bench....if its minute of kill...Good enough for me...and my 7x57 seems to work the same..and 30-06....

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Whoever considers the 7x57mm Mauser to be a "Traditionally inaccurate caliber" ... has no place owning or shooting firearms. These are all one-shot kills from my Churchill Gun Makers Model Deluxe 7x57mm Mauser (built on a Yugoslavian military surplus Mauser 98 action and assembled in Pakistan).

The man eating Royal Bengal tiger, deserves particular mention. I shot him in 1989 from a forest department issued speedboat, while he was turning and dashing off into the mangrove forests from the river bank where we spotted him. I aimed for his shoulder. The Winchester Super X 175Gr soft point broke clean through the scapula and penetrated one lung.

A lot of things happened after that. But bottom line- He succumbed to the gunshot wound three hours later and a postmortem revealed that my bullet had hit EXACTLY where I had aimed. It had penetrated into one lung and mushroomed there. If the bullet had managed to penetrate into the second lung as well, then I have no doubt that the man eater would have succumbed to the gunshot wound within 45 seconds.

 

[Trophyhunter01]

More of the rifle build than cartridge design. Bullet weight, powder and primers all have a large effect on consistency. Then you have the rifle it self in twist rate, head space, barrel, how were the action screws pulled down. It all works together.

 

[450 Dakota]

The “inaccuracy“ of dangerous game guns probably has more to do with recoil than the rifle.

 

[IvW]

Mostly modern tactical shooters who see wood and a traditional Cartridge and dismiss it as precise For reasons unknown to me.
Edit: especially with big bores.

Ah so non hunters....who have no experience with these calibers in the hunting fields.....just ignore them for they do not know what they are talking about....