Terminal performance with shedding monos

[Fordy]

Gday
The journey is still evolving but I also see it getting to the top end just like the true solids & not a lot to gain left in those but I’ll take it if it can be shown ( i still believe some can be )

But let’s step back a touch & think over the years the advancements in pill preformance & capabilities with those the gains have been seen to what we have today

Started I guess on the old musket & ball & a touch before my time lol

Eventually Someone saw the way forward to improve those & went from the ball to cast then to hard cast then to jacketed over lead then bonding then monos & lot in between most likely I’ve messed that all up on a timeline but you get the idea and one that has improved the outcome for us & the critter

Really a lot like the true solid pills we have today that have really shown what can occur if one clears their heads & looks @ it from a different perspective we can basically reach the pinnacle of what’s possible ( still can improve I believe but man alive it’s not a lot & better another day for those true solids I think as the shedding pills are where this thread is aimed)

So moving forward & I’ll have to confirm off my notes to the first truely designed shedding mono id seen was GPA in I think 1998/99 or early 2000’s @ latest

This pill took the way of the terminals of the earlier Barnes X results in 1997 on caribou & moose I’d got with the default of those Barnes shedding petals to another level but the caribou & moose were instrumental for me going hmmm yes pill failed from a design point but the critters were dead way quicker than normal ( my Indian guides words also reinforced this who had been guiding for a lot of years from Alaska to BC ) so must be something in this & the search started all over the world with the contacts I had ( no internet for me as it was all phone calls or asking who I knew face to face )

I’ll have to get my old mini vhs videos out to get better terminal pictures to show in detail but this is all I have in a photo album of the Barnes sorry & that 180 gr Barnes pill was @ 432 meters ( funny story on how that was measured as no range finder lol ) out of a 300 wm & shed petals same as caribou @ a much higher velocity impact as I think that was about 130/40 ish meters on caribou

but irrelevant really as been surpassed now anyway by other companies unless that gpa had been tweaked

Anyway overtime I found a weakness in these gpa pills( the one on left & was repeated numerous times to confirm)

& one that has shown the same traits in so many brands of the shedding monos where the likes of the Mushroom pills have the advantage of weight forward ( but other issues exist with them) so shedding the petals & all of them has shown to be very important for consistency especially if one requires straight line & penetration length which a flat meplat being extremely important ( think true solids as here’s your answer )


The next ones I started to get excited about were raptors & that took levels of consistency to another level but same old trait of needing speed to work or should say results were better with speed as the pill itself worked perfectly @ lower speeds just didn’t kill as efficiently

Today the raptor is still the most consistent shedding of the petals on the market today I’ve found & here even @ 1800 ish impact

you get that nearly perfect star pattern on a incredibly consistent bases but patterns also are not the full equation & why the likes of other companies upto 375 have surpassed the raptor on killing efficiency but above 375 no company surpasses this pill design YET , yes it was done in the sub 375 so why not above ?? ( I’ve also got sub 375 cal raptors to go another level by tinkering but another day on that also but so far I’ve failed to get the 50 cal to improve )

a lot more on this to come if people wish & it’s not on small numbers of critters that these results have been taken on & those that do know me will know I’ve taken some pretty high numbers in a fairly wide variety of species that offer different resistances & some of those will come out in data sheets that some of my mates have done up for me as overall my notes are a scribble mess as seen in the gpa pic

So bare with me please as I add more to this thread

But more importantly please challenge these findings ( show actuals even better ) as I don’t know everything & by someone challenging it maybe the one piece of the puzzle that takes the shedding monos to the status the true solids have today

Lastly sorry for my writing skills & please ask if I’m not clear
So let’s delve a little deeper to hopefully raise that bar
Cheers

 

[Altitude sickness]

I appreciate the pic of the blade holes from the Raptor

 

[Luvthunt]

Yes, more then a hypothetical

 

[Altitude sickness]

I’ve had great results with 100 grain Raptors from a .308. And 370 grain Raptors on Buffalo

 

[grand veneur]

Cavitation causes the greatest damage in a shot wound and if the few bullet fragments play additionally a role is questionable.

 

[Fordy]

Gday altitude sickness

I’ve had great results with 100 grain Raptors from a .308. And 370 grain Raptors on Buffalo

Yes I believe you would’ve what caliber is the 370 gr raptor & do you have internal pics by chance as I’d love to see those

Here’s a great one from the 475 raptor @ just over 2700 impact ( I have video of this )

That’s on the onside of approx 600 kg bovine after a knuckle impact Some of the additional holes are bone fragments so I can’t show the petals holes sorry but the interesting thing was on closer examination & wiping my hand on the inside of the rib cage you could see what ones were the petals as they still had blood free flowing out of them when you cleaned the site & perfect star pattern they were once again

That leads to another part that when we used to use c&c a lot all the deer we used to shoot for human consumption we always cut their throats to help get that extra bit of blood out but basically don’t do that these days as no real need as the wounds are more free flowing & you see that on sxs hung overnight by the comparison of the blood pool on the floor the next morning as same shots with a mono vrs c&c ( cup&core ) regardless of being bonded or not the mono has less blood & put that to the c&c crushing the tissue but could be off also on my thoughts , once hydraulic pressure is present in the critter things change somewhat in a good way also


Once again if I’m unclear please ask as some of the words i use aren’t technically correct I’m sure but through talking with mates we’ve come up with things like shapecharge etc & no doubt more will come out as we go

cheers

 

[Fordy]

Gday grand veneur

Cavitation causes the greatest damage in a shot wound and if the few bullet fragments play additionally a role is questionable.

Please explain & that is based off what
Cheers

 

[grand veneur]

Gday grand veneur

Please explain & that is based off what
Cheers

Cavitation is the most severe damage a bullet causes, and it has been proven impossible, due to pressure and the destruction of the blood supply, to estimate the degree of destruction at distance in the tissue. The bullet fragments can only cause very localized additional damage like secondary projectiles, like bone fragments or similar.

 

[Altitude sickness]

One my last trip I shot 8 Impala. 2 with a .375 H&H and 300 grain TSX. The two with the TSX ran and died quickly, 60-100 yards


The 6 with the 100 grain raptors were usually dead in their tracks.

We were hunting them for bait. Two were lined up for a 2 for 1 shot. The first one the bullet impacted dropped on impact the one behind it ran about 10 yards.

My Buffalo bull fell forward and died almost immediately.

Aframes, TSX, Northfork, all work great. But don’t underestimate the Raptors

 

[Altitude sickness]

I don’t have pics of the heart or lungs. This bull was in the brush at the red X when shot with the 370 grain Raptor. He fell forward down into the spot he lays and was dead when we walked the short yardage to him.


In this pic we turned him 180 degrees from his original position. We moved him for hero pics. He was shot once straight up the leg in the top of the heart. I shot the bull while standing left of this picture