I have been waiting to see some reviews on the new ZL3 scopes from Minox.. They appear to be trying to do the same thing that Zeiss did a couple of years ago with their Terra line and offer a low cost "German" optic that isnt in the same capability range as their premium lines, but is affordable and can easily compete with other mid market scopes from the likes of Leupold, Nikon, etc.. My understanding is the ZL3 is German "designed" (like the Zeiss Terra line was), but is assembled elsewhere (not sure where, perhaps China?), but that it uses glass from AB Schott (same place Swaro, Zeiss, Leica, etc obtain their glass).. and is supposed to be a very good scope for the price... I just havent been able to find enough independent reviews to know whether or not the ZL3 is really as good as Minox says it is.. and havent been able to find one at any store here in the US to actually look through one to see what I think.. Personally, I have been very happy with the 2 Zeiss Terra scopes I have.. they arent anything close to a Zeiss Victory.. but are surprisingly very close to the same light gathering and clarity I get out of the Zeiss Conquest optics I own.. for the money they have been very hard to beat.. If the Minox ZL3 is roughly comparable in performance.. I'd certainly be interested in them at the price they are asking for them..