Soonest/Safest return to South Africa?

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  1. Philip Glass

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    Italy has been officially declared a Third World Country recently. The population averages 80 and has poor health care. When you hear the talking heads using Italy as a comparison to the US you know they are blind or agenda driven.
    So what if 70% of the population get this? Most all people have little to NO SYMPTOMS!
    EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ CDC NUMBERS FOR FLU. Then compare the the current "crisis" and THINK!
    Philip
     

  2. Philip Glass

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    You are very correct. Volatility always benefits the big money traders. Wow what a fella could have done with a couple million selling short this market and then waiting and buying the bottom.
    You are also correct the virus is real and it is new and it is highly infectious. But that is where it stops. It will NEVEN come close to the flu in cases or deaths. China has 1.4B people and lost 3200 to this. I mean a nasty country where people eat bats, have no hygiene and live on top of one another, have poor health care, and only lost 3200. Perspective people!
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  3. Philip Glass

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    Sorry you must educate yourself by comparing this the the common flu. We have lost in the USA 23000 this year to the common flu. End of discussion!
    Philip
     

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    By whom.... Trump?

    "Sorry you must get educated yourself..."

    "The three-world model arose during the Cold War to define countries aligned with NATO (the First World), the Eastern Bloc (or Second World, although this term was less used), or neither (the Third World). Strictly speaking, "Third World" was a political, rather than an economic, grouping."

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    The little country in the mediterranean shaped like a boot is Italy.
    First world: Politically, Economically, etc.

    It is ranked #2 in the world for health care. (You will immediately deny the ranking) https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

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  5. Dee S

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    That stinks. Yeah, Qatar canceled two of my legs and I've received no notification from them and they have not responded to my emails. Next year, hopefully the world will be back on track?
     
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  6. Philip Glass

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/italys-statistics-make-it-look-like-a-third-world
     

  7. Hogpatrol

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    I found this video interesting. It claims to show how China beat the virus through total control of the populace. I doubt this would work in any Western country.

     

  8. Tra3

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    June 11th is my flight to Joberg and then on to Namibia. As each day passes my estimation of this trip happening goes down.
    What do you all think?
    Do I begin evaluating a reschedule?
     

  9. Hogpatrol

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    At the news conference last evening, Dr. Fauci mentioned pointed out that the southern hemisphere and southern Africa was entering winter and the start of another cycle of the virus.
     

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    I'd start talking to the outfitter and making contingency plans unfortunately
     

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    No it will not. There would 100% be stiff resistance. We are not Italy and there are enough folks with common sense so left to analyze the data and realize the economic effects (suicides, etc) are more dangerous TO THE UNITED STATES than the virus

    Besides, China made the damn thing they were prepared and maybe even have cures :D
     

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    I'm not sure but I think once you recover you would test negative for covid-19. Then restrictions placed while you were infected would be removed?
     

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    I'm with ya. June 12. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
     
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    I can't afford to go back yet - so all this lockdown stuff is all peachy with me!! :)




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  17. Mark Biggerstaff

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    I am with both of you. June 10th departure for 14 day safari. Been in touch with outfitter and waiting till late May to see what happens before making any decisions
     
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  18. Dr Ray

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    Into next year I think.
    This is really bad and I believe China has another virus surfacing. Hanta!!
     

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    Hantavirus isn't new to China, or anywhere else for that matter. Though it too is getting a lot of attention at this moment, an increase in infection is very unlikely since it doesn't transmit human to human. Pest control and proper hygiene will keep that disease under control.
     

  20. Bill DeHaan

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    There has always been and always will be another virus surfacing. And each year a lot of folks die from the complication of those seasonal viral infections. Fatalities in the US this year from the regular influenza is reported to be approaching 20k. I’m not sure where we will end up for fatalities from the COVID-19. (1704 in the US and 28,376 for world as of this AM), but there will be another for sure.

    So the solution or objective now for future seasons cannot be to stop this virus, or stop that virus with a vaccine. I believe It will come down to a multinational capability to do real time testing for infection and having procedures in place to mitigate the impacts of any seasonal virus without bringing global economies to an indefinite halt.

    Seems we are close to having real time testing. This is only part of why I believe there will be travel to RSA and safaris in 2020. The other reason is because our economies will not tolerate a 6 month shut down. And transportation is critical to all economies.


    Stay informed and be as flexible as you can.
     
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