Scopes for 404 Jeffrey?

[Gert Odendaal]

Oom Gert...

Ageing eyes and a cracked skull is probably not the solution you are looking for

My mother did not raise her son to be afraid .... long eye relief will get the correct results...

 

[DM Shooting]

I'd have or should I I do have Schmidt and benders over leupold on my rifle 6x42 is a great scope I've one for woodland stalking brilliant in near dark same as the 8x56

But for driven game and a bush rifle my 375 H&H wears a 1.5-6x42 I can shoot deer to 200 yards happily further if my land would allow close deer at 50yards the magnification on 6 is not to high for faster shots but also shoot running quarry on 1.5.

But I don't think I'd use a 6x42 on a 404

 

[Gert Odendaal]

DM Shooting
Before I can change scopes, I need to get 26 mm diameter rings for the Schmidt&Bender, this coming hunting season I will hunt with the 404 Jeffery scoped with the 1.5-5 x 20 ....but looking through the Schmidt&Bender today I can not fault it`s clear and crisp glass...I know I need to try it on the 404 Jeffery the next hunting season...I need to know what scope of the two will be the best to fit and use on my 404 Jeffery, this rifle will be my "to go to" rifle when I walk into my safe come the hunting season.

 

[DM Shooting]

If I can help from Britain just ask.

 

[rookhawk]

@Gert Odendaal the S&B scopes are 30mm, not 26mm. At least the Klassik 6x42 and the 1-4x24 both are 30mm tubes.

 

[DM Shooting]

They come in 26mm older models then
1" and 30mm more modern

 

[Witold Krzyżanowski]

I use :
MeoPro 3-9 x 42 on 400Jeffery
old classic Carl Zeis Jena 4 x 32 on 375H&H
Leupold 3-9 x 50 on 9,3 x 62Mauser
Scmidt & Bender 6 x 42 on 275Rigby
Witold

 

[Gert Odendaal]

Rookhawk, as DM Shooting pointed out, this is one of the older models from the 1980 era..still solid, still clear as a trout stream in the Drakensberg mountains or in Montana mountain range....

 

[rookhawk]

Ah. I made two errors. One, I assumed always 30mm. Two, I thought 25.4mm (1") and 26mm rings were the same thing.

 

[sierraone]

Never heard of 26 mm rings until today! Would have thought the same as you!

 

[Buckdog]

now guys don't forget S&B PMII's are 34mm tubes and if you want to get really crazy Zeiss new stuff has 36mm monster main tubes!

 

[BobT]

Some 1" rings can be opened up to 26mm. 30mm rings can be shimmed, not sure how well this would work on the hard kickers though.

 

[farmer_john]

whats everyones thoughts on nightforce atacr 1-8 vs trijicon credo 1-8?

 

[cmk]

whats everyones thoughts on nightforce atacr 1-8 vs trijicon credo 1-8?

Note: I don't know of either of the two scopes you mention, I just did a quick google search to look at the specifications/pictures - so take it with a pinch of salt, and as a more general observation.

For the (normally) intended game species, and shot distances involved, I believe that 1-8x may be more than is needed. A higher magnification range makes it more costly, heavier, generally makes for a less forgiving eye-box, large ocular bells may require higher mounts to clear the bolt handle, and well... at what point would one really need 8x. Especially in a straight 30mm or 34mm tube. The exit pupil would be rather small at max magnification. Also the reticles (in my mind) have too much going on.

From the pictures it looks like both may have some limitations regarding how they can be mounted, especially the NightForce. There is not much tube in front of the turret housing, and depending on your action and mounts, you may not be able to get the correct eye relief. And the Trijicon seems quite heavy.

My impression is that these scopes are more geared towards the AR/tactical/sporting shooters. I would suggest something light, simple, rugged and dependable, without too many "features".

Personally I have a 1-5x Kahles with a 30mm tube with an illuminated German #4 reticle.

 

[farmer_john]

Note: I don't know of either of the two scopes you mention, I just did a quick google search to look at the specifications/pictures - so take it with a pinch of salt, and as a more general observation.

For the (normally) intended game species, and shot distances involved, I believe that 1-8x may be more than is needed. A higher magnification range makes it more costly, heavier, generally makes for a less forgiving eye-box, large ocular bells may require higher mounts to clear the bolt handle, and well... at what point would one really need 8x. Especially in a straight 30mm or 34mm tube. The exit pupil would be rather small at max magnification. Also the reticles (in my mind) have too much going on.

From the pictures it looks like both may have some limitations regarding how they can be mounted, especially the NightForce. There is not much tube in front of the turret housing, and depending on your action and mounts, you may not be able to get the correct eye relief. And the Trijicon seems quite heavy.

My impression is that these scopes are more geared towards the AR/tactical/sporting shooters. I would suggest something light, simple, rugged and dependable, without too many "features".

Personally I have a 1-5x Kahles with a 30mm tube with an illuminated German #4 reticle.

They are more geared to the tactical market
But whatever i get it will not be living 100% on just the 404. But tacticsl optics are what i know and i like being able to use holdoffs.
What features are you referring to?

 

[cmk]

They are more geared to the tactical market
But whatever i get it will not be living 100% on just the 404. But tacticsl optics are what i know and i like being able to use holdoffs.
What features are you referring to?

Ah, I see. Well if it is for dual use, then of course some compromises must be made. I was referring to a good setup purely for DG hunting (which is sort of implied by the calibre). And for that one would probably want to keep it as simple as possible, in many cases. But if you are familiar with these types of scopes - hunting with them and/or using them in tight situations, all the better.

The "features" I was alluding to are things like non-capped turrets, elaborate reticles, parallax adjustment, wireless/bluetooth connections to an app on your phone etc. Basically anything that might break or have the wrong setting when you really don't want that. Or have time to fix it.

That was my rationale for advocating a simple, but sturdy scope, with good glass/coatings.

 

[farmer_john]

Ah, I see. Well if it is for dual use, then of course some compromises must be made. I was referring to a good setup purely for DG hunting (which is sort of implied by the calibre). And for that one would probably want to keep it as simple as possible, in many cases. But if you are familiar with these types of scopes - hunting with them and/or using them in tight situations, all the better.

The "features" I was alluding to are things like non-capped turrets, elaborate reticles, parallax adjustment, wireless/bluetooth connections to an app on your phone etc. Basically anything that might break or have the wrong setting when you really don't want that. Or have time to fix it.

That was my rationale for advocating a simple, but sturdy scope, with good glass/coatings.

I dont know about bluetooth settings never used an optic with it.

The reticles look a little busy but there super handy.
If you know the amount your bullet drops (either practice or ballistic ap) you can go o my ammo i reload to 2300fps 0d at 100m for 200 i need to aim one line/mil down.
310m 2.5

Makes quickly adjusting easy without proprietsry bdc reticles tied to one cartridge and velocity