RMR/red dot sights Double Rifles

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For you hunters with RMR/red dot sights mounted on your double rifles what do you consider the effective range of your arm using the RMR/red dot and what MOA size is your dot ? Furthermore, what was the reason you installed such sight in your double…e.g. installed for a dangerous game charge at a close (30 yd ?) yardage ??? Faster target acquisition than a LPVO?? Easier to sight with both eyes open?? Weight saving ?? Other ??
 
Just had an RMR delivered this afternoon (1 moa)… now I’m just waiting on the Chapuis factory mounting plate to arrive in country…

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For you hunters with RMR/red dot sights mounted on your double rifles what do you consider the effective range of your arm using the RMR/red dot and what MOA size is your dot ? Furthermore, what was the reason you installed such sight in your double…e.g. installed for a dangerous game charge at a close (30 yd ?) yardage ??? Faster target acquisition than a LPVO?? Easier to sight with both eyes open?? Weight saving ?? Other ??
I am 66 and in great health. While I am effective with my red dot at 100 yards my confidence is at 50 yards. I have tried different MOA red dots only to find the saying “aim small, miss small.”. This means the 1.0 MOA for me gives me the very best groupings with my DR at 0.6 inches off sticks on a consistent basis
 
I'm a new to the double rifle gang, and originally hoped to stick with open iron sights, especially at my extreme youthful age comparatively...only 51 (well for one more week). Problem being I am not as accurate as I want to be with open, iron sights anymore. Still good enough to make ethical shots on animals at all appropriate distances, but on paper and working up loads, just not happy with it. And was finding it inconsistent.

While I was trying to work up the most accurate loads for my 470, I kept scratching my head as to why it would group well, very well even, one day then lousy another. Started wondering if there was an issue with my Heym and why I got some vertical now and then. Slapped a 1 MOA RMR on, fixed most of the issues I was trying to load around. My reloading simply would not fix my aging and tired eyes. That was the inconsistency. Some days my eyes just see better. Earlier in the day, better light, even earlier in a shooting session. With the 1 MOA RMR, everything tightened up and dramatically so.
 
As I do final prep for my first trip with a double, I am absolutely bringing an RMR. I may hunt without it though, since I do know my eyes are not going to get better, so if I ever wanted to, now isn't the worst time. I will have the RMR totally sighted and ready, and depending on how confident I feel I may just hunt with it attached. Also swapping from my 470 88b to my new 450 89b, the new 450 just shoots so darn well I cant help but take it.
 
I'm confident in 50 yds with a Trijicon RMR HD 1.0 MOA red dot. Interestingly, the RMR HD provides a circle around the center dot to quickly find the projection. With the circle-dot, you can have both eyes open and you just look "through" the dot and simply focus on the target. It's helpful for my older eyes that aren't so quick switching focus between the front sight post and the target anymore.
 
For you hunters with RMR/red dot sights mounted on your double rifles what do you consider the effective range of your arm using the RMR/red dot and what MOA size is your dot ? Furthermore, what was the reason you installed such sight in your double…e.g. installed for a dangerous game charge at a close (30 yd ?) yardage ??? Faster target acquisition than a LPVO?? Easier to sight with both eyes open?? Weight saving ?? Other ??

Despite a trophy case of shooting medals won decades ago in iron sights on Service Rifle and Service Pistol matches, my eyes do not focus well on the front sight as they once did. Further, focusing on the front sight so the brain properly aligns in or with the rear sight may be a little hard if facing a charging animal, ie faster Target Acquisition.

I would very much prefer a Low Power Variable Optic (LPVO) such as a 1-4x scope with illuminated center dot than any reflex sight. At a pound or greater weight as compared to roughly 3 ounces for a SRO with mount, any scope will eliminate the fine handling qualities (movement of inertia) that my trusty Heym 88B provides. A reflex sight is a compromise.

Note: Astigmatism affects many older eyes. My SRO, RMR, Aimpoint, and other brand reflex sight dots appear to me as figure 8’s. My 1 MOA Trijicon dots appear as a 3 MOA blob when shooting 100 yard targets! My 2 MOA Aimpoint dots appear appoximately the same size blob as the 1 MOA Trijicon dots. Looking through my Leopold and Nightforce LPVO’s, their illuminated center dots are small circles without distortion. I believe I could reduce my group size by 30 to 50% if shooting with an LPVO rather than a reflex sight.

Prior to my recent tuskless hunt, the safari operator advised me that 30 yards would be a long shot. I sighted in at 50 yards, but also checked my 2-barrel 4-shot accuracy at 100, and 25 yards with the SRO. I also removed the reflex and shot my irons at 25 and 0 yards. All 4-shot groups centered within two inches of my point of aim and could be covered with my fist. I had minute of buffalo point blank range out to 100 yards.

I love shooting my .458 Win Heym. Satisfaction is heartwarming when I dial in a new load capable of 100-yard accuracy with both barrels.

Sight in at the range your PH tells you to expect your shooting but also shoot at longer and shorter ranges to find your dope.

50-yard groups with .458 Cutting Edge Bullets 450 gr solids and 420 Safari Raptors.
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100-yard group with 420 Safari Raptors. I did not group solids at 100 yards because there was no reason I'd shoot at an elephant at over 50 yards!
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100 yards with 470 gr CEB Safari Raptors. All targets shot with same zero on the SRO.
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The above groups were shot from a standing bench on my backyard range. On safari, shooting from a set of sticks, one's accuracy may vary... :)

PS: Before someone comments... Yes, I do practice shooting off the sticks and also off hand. I even practice shooting the mighty .458 from a solid sitting position. Those positions do induce variables not found on the standing bench.
 
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Hi Mitch,

I am working on a hunt report. I am not in a hurry since this is near the end of the African hunting season and hunt reports will soon be far and few between.

Also, I hired Vaughan Vosloo of Untamed Knife Company to make video hunt report. Please expect that to be release over our holidays. Merry Christmas!
 
I tried shooting my double using the iron sights, but could barely hit the paper at 100 yards. The Trijicon RMR 3.25 MOA did the trick. My Chapuis 375H&H can drive tacks now. I've used in in Africa on 4 safaris and it works great. Rapid target acquisition, ease of use and accuracy.
 
I'm actually more accurate with the iron sights on my .470ne but I mounted a 1moa RMR because I'm much faster on target and follow up shots with the RMR; also I can shoot with both eyes open and you have much more visibility/field of view.

With the RMR I can consistently hit an 8" plate at 100yds free hand and practice out to 150yds with it off sticks, should I ever come across plains game I want.
 
I use a RMR 1.0 MOA on 450-400 and both 470's with great results. Used Red Dot sights in USPSA and
IPSC for years so really a no brainer for me. Any of those 3 guns will easily do 100 yds to point blank.
Up close on a moving target my acquisition is much quicker with the RMR than trying to just do the front sight, sometimes had that same issue in 3gun competition.
 
I'm actually more accurate with the iron sights on my .470ne but I mounted a 1moa RMR because I'm much faster on target and follow up shots with the RMR; also I can shoot with both eyes open and you have much more visibility/field of view.

With the RMR I can consistently hit an 8" plate at 100yds free hand and practice out to 150yds with it off sticks, should I ever come across plains game I want.
Now that’s great shooting!!!!!
 

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