Question re recently purchased Hodgdon powders

[Hunter4752001]

A question for any of our US members who have bought any of the following Hodgdon powders in the last 3 months: H4198, H322, Varget, H4895, H4350.

Can you check the container and report where it was made ie USA, Canada or Australia?

 

[davidg8480]

Will do

 

[Vanguard2279]

H4350 and Varget: Made in Australia. Only two of the powders requested that I've bought recently.

 

[Firebird]

Made in Australia, packaged in USA h4895 and h4350. I have some 7828 ssc that was made in Canada packaged in the USA and some bl-c (2), h335 that just says made in the USA-

 

[davidg8480]

2nd ..h4831 sc
All made in Australia

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

A question for any of our US members who have bought any of the following Hodgdon powders in the last 3 months: H4198, H322, Varget, H4895, H4350.

Can you check the container and report where it was made ie USA, Canada or Australia?

@Hunter4752001
I'm sure 41982207, varget/22084895/2206H and 4350/2209 are Australian made.
H322 isn't available in Australia co I assume it's made elsewhere.
Bob

 

[Hunter4752001]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen
H322 is ADI AR2219 and yes it is available at times.

While I knew that many of the powders distributed by Hodgdon were previously made in Australia (Hodgdon are a powder distributor and will acquire powder from anywhere and label it as they choose), On the Hodgdon website, many of those powders were listed as sold out. Hodgdon has also added a lot of entries for Accurate & Ramshot powders. In Australia, availability of the core range of rifle powders has picked up, but our US cousins are still experiencing significant shortages. I was interested in whether the relationship between ADI and Hodgdon was continuing or being phased out. Experience has inclined me to not trust the PR announcements from either group.

 

[CBH Australia]

Don't trust the rumour mill either.

Some say Hogdon get first rights to their share of what is produced for the domestic market and we get the rest for distribution through retail and New Zealand.

I know ADI did report they were limiting production runs on some powders so no production of pistol powders has left many unable to shoot regularly.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Don't trust the rumour mill either.

Some say Hogdon get first rights to their share of what is produced for the domestic market and we get the rest for distribution through retail and New Zealand.

I know ADI did report they were limiting production runs on some powders so no production of pistol powders has left many unable to shoot regularly.

@CBH Australia
The rumours mill has it that the old plant at Mulwala is out dated snd having equipment troubles drying the faster powders appropriately.
The are in the process of building a new up to date plant so they can produce the whole range again.
Bob

 

[CBH Australia]

Let's hope that rumour has some truth in it.
We have lost a lot of Aussie manufacturing and industry.

 

[Hunter4752001]

I think your rumour mill may be several years out of date. The plant that produced the pistol & shotgun powders was considered out of date (ie needed manual calibration and monitoring by skilled technicians) and was bulldozed. A new plant was built a few years back. Featured all sorts of new fancy digital calibration and monitoring etc. Has completely failed to produce the required quality which is why pistol and shotgun powders are no longer being made.

The plant producing rifle powders is still in operation. I don't know if the Government will allow them to f**k it up given it's primary purpose is the Defence supply.
ps The Goverment own the site, ADI simply hold the contract to operate it.

 

[CBH Australia]

I think your rumour mill may be several years out of date. The plant that produced the pistol & shotgun powders was considered out of date (ie needed manual calibration and monitoring by skilled technicians) and was bulldozed. A new plant was built a few years back. Featured all sorts of new fancy digital calibration and monitoring etc. Has completely failed to produce the required quality which is why pistol and shotgun powders are no longer being made.

The plant producing rifle powders is still in operation. I don't know if the Government will allow them to f**k it up given it's primary purpose is the Defence supply.
ps The Goverment own the site, ADI simply hold the contract to operate it.

Well that's concerning .

Any advice or press release from ADI has only been public knowledge as once 2021. If we read into the first press release it does allude to quality control.

If the rumour mill is several years out of date then we heard about it several years later than public knowledge.

This statement by you, is it correct?
"which is why pistol and shotgun powders are no longer being made"

Are they no longer being made? Indefinitely? Or are ADI working on this?

 

[Don458]

View attachment 465476
2nd ..h4831 sc
All made in Australia View attachment 465477

Looking for Reloader 17. Unable to find anywhere.

 

[davidg8480]

Don't know

 

[Sabattiboy]

My H322 says Australian made USA packaged

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

My H322 says Australian made USA packaged

@Sabattiboy
If that's the case I wonder why it's not sold here.
Bob

 

[Sabattiboy]

@Sabattiboy
If that's the case I wonder why it's not sold here.
Bob

In our day and age business doesn't have to make sense to the consumer or distributors.
I know american companies have stuff made in other countries where labor is cheap and EPA rules aren't in force. You might remember a decade or more ago it made the news that Nike was paying 38 cents a pair for sports shoes made elsewhere that sold in the USA for $100 to $200 at the time.
I'm not sure how the laws and labor costs differ in Australia from the USA. Where gun powder is concerned it might boil down to not risking all eggs in one basket if there is a catastrophic event.

 

[Sabattiboy]

I guess I wandered off the question a bit.
But it might be contractual issues.
Norma powders in the 1970's and 80's was nonexistent where I lived. All my reloading manuals listed Norma MRP as a magic powder that gave top velocities no matter what cartridge case or bullet weight. Of course, I and probably others dreamed of finding some of that powder. We could have used it from the 218 Bee to the 460 Weatherby with Peter Pan Pixi dust magic. or not.

 

[marksman]

@Sabattiboy
If that's the case I wonder why it's not sold here.
Bob

it is Bob AR2219,
l use it in my 243, erm l mean my 6mm dasher LOL
actually LOL l use it in my 22 dasher Bob, no kidding

 

[Sabattiboy]

it is Bob AR2219,
l use it in my 243, erm l mean my 6mm dasher LOL
actually LOL l use it in my 22 dasher Bob, no kidding

This brings up a question. There is a powder burn rate chart to see where powders are similar. Is there a chart for powders that are marketed under a different brand or number?