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US Will Require International Travelers To Quarantine​

JANUARY 21, 2021 BY BEN 94
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It looks like the US may be significantly ramping up restrictions surrounding international travel. President Biden today outlined his administration’s plans for tackling coronavirus, and this includes an executive order that mandates a quarantine requirement for international travel.
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The international travel quarantine requirement​

It was recently announced that as of January 26, 2021, the US will start requiring coronavirus testing within three days of arriving in the US for all inbound international air travelers. Prior to that date, the US has absolutely no testing requirement for arriving international travelers.
That’s not all, though, as we knew that Biden wanted to increase restrictions surrounding travel, and we now know what that will look like. In addition to the testing requirement, international travelers will also have to quarantine upon arriving in the US, whether they’re visitors or returning home.
As Biden explains this change:
“Everyone flying to the United States from another country will need to get tested before they get on that plane, before they depart, and quarantine when they arrive in America.”


As of now there are more questions than answers:
  • When will the new US travel quarantine requirement become law?
  • How long of a quarantine will be required?
  • Will a quarantine be required regardless of the destination?
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The US will require international travelers to quarantine

What we know so far about the quarantine requirement​

So far we’re mostly just going off of what Biden said during his speech today, but it’s also worth looking at what’s in writing so far, in the White House’s coronavirus response strategy. It’s suggested that new policies should be implemented that comply with CDC guidelines for self-isolation and self-quarantine:
“Promote safe international travel. The United States will implement policies requiring international air travelers to produce a negative COVID-19 test prior to departing for the United States; and to comply with CDC guidelines for self-isolation and self-quarantine upon arrival.”
The reason we don’t have the details quite yet is because they’re still being worked out:

The Secretary of HHS, in coordination with the Secretary of Transportation (including through the Administrator of the FAA) and the Secretary of Homeland Security (including through the Administrator of the TSA), shall promptly provide to the President, through the COVID-19 Response Coordinator, a plan for how the Secretary and other Federal Government actors could implement the policy stated in subsection (a) of this section with respect to CDC-recommended periods of self-quarantine or self-isolation after a flight to the United States from a foreign country, as he deems appropriate and consistent with applicable law.”
In other words, the US will require a quarantine, but hasn’t yet decided exactly what that will look like. Rather the Secretary of HHS is being told to present Biden with a plan for implementing a quarantine requirement that’s in line with CDC recommendations.
It’s sounding like we should expect a mandatory quarantine after international travel (even if enforcement would likely be non-existent), though we don’t know about the timeline, or how exactly it will be implemented.
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We’ll soon find out exactly how this quarantine will work

The CDC’s current international travel guidelines​

The new quarantine requirements will be based on CDC guidelines. Interestingly as of now those guidelines don’t even uniformly recommend a quarantine after international travel. Rather the CDC recommends staying home for 10 days after any high risk activities, which includes the following:
  • Travel from a country or US territory with a Level 2, Level 3, or Level 4 Travel Health Notice
  • Going to a large social gathering like a wedding, funeral, or party
  • Attending a mass gathering like a sporting event, concert, or parade
  • Being in crowds like in restaurants, bars, fitness centers, or movie theaters
  • Taking public transportation like trains or buses or being in transportation hubs like airports
  • Traveling on a cruise ship or river boat
In other words, the CDC currently recommends the same precautions whether you’ve taken a bus, gone to a crowded restaurants, or traveled internationally.
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The quarantine requirement will follow CDC recommendations

This will almost certainly not be enforced​

The other day I wrote about how Biden would be introducing more travel restrictions, and I speculated as to what those could be. In that post I noted that I hoped that any new restrictions would be enforceable and not arbitrary.
While we’ll have to wait for the full details, I can’t help but think that this new quarantine requirement will be unenforceable and rather arbitrary:
  • I can’t imagine the government will be enforcing the quarantine requirement in any way; some states (like New York) already have quarantine requirements, and they’re virtually unenforced
  • While I can appreciate the idea of this, it seems to me like this is about a year late, and counterproductive; is this to stop people from going to Mexico, and instead encourage them to go to Florida, because at least vacation destinations in Mexico have some capacity limits?
  • With the new testing requirement for international travel, those traveling internationally likely pose less risk than those traveling domestically, because at least they got tested at some point
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New York hasn’t enforced its travel quarantine requirement very well

Bottom line​

President Biden has made it clear that the US will require a quarantine for arriving international travelers, in addition to the new pre-travel testing requirement. However, it remains to be seen when this will become law, and how exactly it will be implemented.
I can’t say I’m a fan of a travel quarantine at this point, both due to how unenforceable it will likely be, and also given that it will just encourage more people to travel to places like Florida, which probably poses more of a risk than most international travel.
At the same time, I respect the fact that Biden is actually taking coronavirus seriously, rather than brushing it off as nothing…
 

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Who is this smug "reporter"? Can't help but take shots at Florida and by extension DeSantis. I still think the answer will be the vaccine certification and that it will be universal within 90 days or so.
 

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Who is this smug "reporter"? Can't help but take shots at Florida and by extension DeSantis. I still think the answer will be the vaccine certification and that it will be universal within 90 days or so.
Here is what coming, testing on Emirates & Etihad. And I will never believe that the data will not be Centrally stored..


Airline body IATA develops mobile apps for COVID-era travel​

By Reuters Staff
2 MIN READ




A plane prepares to land at the Nantes Atlantique airport in Bouguenais near Nantes, November 10, 2020. REUTERS/Stephane Mahe
PARIS (Reuters) - Global aviation body IATA is developing a set of mobile apps to help passengers to navigate COVID-19 travel restrictions and securely share test and vaccine certificates with airlines and governments, it said on Monday.
The International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents many of the world’s major airlines, plans to pilot the Travel Pass platform by year-end and deploy it for Android and Apple iOS phones in the first half of next year.

Airlines are pressing governments to replace traffic-stifling quarantine requirements with systematic COVID-19 testing, with some success.
“Our main priority is to get people travelling again safely,” IATA security chief Nick Careen said. “That means giving governments confidence that systematic COVID-19 testing can work as a replacement for quarantine requirements.”

Passenger health and other data are not stored centrally but authenticated with blockchain, leaving consumers in control of what they share, IATA said.
A new “Contactless Travel” app will combine passport information with test and vaccination certificates received from participating labs. It will also draw on global registries of health requirements and testing and vaccination centres.
The platform is built on open source standards to help interoperability with existing systems including its member airlines’ own customer apps, IATA said.
Reporting by Laurence Frost. Editing by Jane Merriman
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
 

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I received my PHASA update yesterday for South Africa and that is exactly what it says.
 

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What a bunch of BS!! Who voted for this idiot!?!?
 

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This will all be short lived. Biden will act tough and impose many restrictions for 100 days or so. Then he will claim victory over Covid! Hide and watch.
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There’s always many more questions than answers. This way the answers have a chance to “mutate” from day to day, week to week, month to month as more and more questions come in. The true answers to the questions then become quagmired in the noise and distraction of it all. Beautiful!
 

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The CDC website, as of today, uses the word RECOMMENDS a test within 3-5 days of returning and RECOMMENDS self-quarantine for 7 days. Just as the article at the top, RECOMMENDS. I don't see it being mandatory or being enforced as of now, but it can change overnight, and then again tomorrow night.
Rather the CDC recommends staying home for 10 days
 

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This will all be short lived. Biden will act tough and impose many restrictions for 100 days or so. Then he will claim victory over Covid! Hide and watch.
Philip
This will not be anywhere near over in 100 days. Look for continued Covid BS for at least another year, perhaps longer. I dont think we are ever really going back to normal.
This is a good way to keep a firm hand on things, meaning the people. So even when or if Covid is licked they aint just gonna say Yea!! Its over, everybody go back to what you were doing before Covid.
I just dont see that happening, hope I am wrong.
 

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I may be a bit old fashioned, but I'm concerned that all around the world various governments, travel groups, tech companies and others are trying to come out with a Covid 19 vaccination phone app. Not only does it look like there'll be several dozen non-compatible systems adopted, none of them will be of any use to anyone traveling to anywhere but a modern first world destination. Can you imagine the situation at an African border crossing several hundred kilometers from the nearest cell tower.
Vaccination certification isn't anything new. We already have to carry out little yellow Vaccination booklet for many parts of the world. Just add Covid to the required pages. Paper and ink - simple.
 

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Nothing I'm reading looks promising for any of our travels. Several businesses have simply put international travel restrictions on their employees unless business dictated/required. Wife's employer being one and even if I wanted to jump the current hurdles I don't think I'd make it out of the house in one piece without her.
 

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The CDC website, as of today, uses the word RECOMMENDS a test within 3-5 days of returning and RECOMMENDS self-quarantine for 7 days. Just as the article at the top, RECOMMENDS. I don't see it being mandatory or being enforced as of now, but it can change overnight, and then again tomorrow night.
And don’t forget if there’s a full moon! That can change everything! What a fiasco!
 

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This will not be anywhere near over in 100 days. Look for continued Covid BS for at least another year, perhaps longer. I dont think we are ever really going back to normal.
This is a good way to keep a firm hand on things, meaning the people. So even when or if Covid is licked they aint just gonna say Yea!! Its over, everybody go back to what you were doing before Covid.
I just dont see that happening, hope I am wrong.
I was talking with my best friend and hunting bud recently, he is an infection control specialist at a major hospital. His take on this is likely a couple more years, as the government tries to dial in on the dominant strain of Covid and develop a better vaccine to target that strain.
 

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This will not be anywhere near over in 100 days. Look for continued Covid BS for at least another year, perhaps longer. I dont think we are ever really going back to normal.
This is a good way to keep a firm hand on things, meaning the people. So even when or if Covid is licked they aint just gonna say Yea!! Its over, everybody go back to what you were doing before Covid.
I just dont see that happening, hope I am wrong.
+1.
 

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You have all manner of close contact sports happening every day, boxing, MMA, football basketball etc. There is no rhyme or reason to much of it.
 

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Just read where everybody visiting National Parks here in the U.S., must now wear a mask even when HIKING. Meanwhile, our local high schools are conducting wrestling tournaments! Can this get anymore stupid?

I went to the Grand Canyon last week, I could understand while riding on a bus or standing shoulder to should in some places, but I saw people hiking in masks. It was 30, snowing with 20mph winds.
 

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Which is just stupid. I wear a mask in stores etc, inside. When I go walk or am just outside minding my own business by myself, forget it.
 

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The mask restrictions in National Parks or federal land pretty much follow all the other guidelines.

If you can't social distance 6 feet wear a mask other than that you you don't need one. So if you are out hiking by yourself you are fine without one, if a friend or better half or other people are within 6 feet then wear a mask
 

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