Politics

[Pheroze]

Hmm. I believe you are correct. I am part of the great unwashed who simply accepted it as a Churchillian quote. It seems to have originated with Anselme Polycarpe Batbie - a late nineteenth century French politician? In this context the revolutionary minded "republicans" were the liberals. It would seem, like many others, that it was too good not to attribute it to Churchill.

“Celui qui n’est pas républicain à vingt ans fait douter de la générosité de son âme; mais celui qui, après trente ans, persévère, fait douter de la rectitude de son esprit.”
(“He who is not a republican at twenty casts doubt on the generosity of his soul; but he who persists after thirty casts doubt on the soundness of his mind.”)

My father always quoted it to me from being from the Prime Minister

 

[spike.t]

Oh well it's closed again......what a debacle this whole Iranian "thing" has turned into.....

US-Iran talks to begin in Switzerland as Tehran says it closed Strait of Hormuz

The US disputed Iran's claim the waterway is shut, a move Tehran says was a response to Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

www.bbc.com

 

[Scott CWO]

Concur..

While they havent figured out how to automate a ranch hand or a cabbage picker yet.. they have certainly figured out how to automate food service, janitorial services, and other unskilled and semi-skilled jobs.. its only a matter of time before a robot, a kiosk, or a terminal has the ability to replace the vast majority of the unskilled and semi skilled workforce..

A neighbor gal just lost her six figure software engineering job for a big HR company due to AI. The company gave her zero notice. They called and told her she was laid off and that her computer access would be shut down in a matter of minutes. It was a complete shock. Her husband is a really good mechanic but her income was as high or higher than his. They just built a new house a few years ago and he recently upgraded a lot of his shop equipment so they have some debt. She is a computer whiz and I hire her from time to time for certain projects. Hopefully, she finds something else but it is getting tough out there.

 

[Scott CWO]

And I might agree with you had shareholder value theory not demanded the outsourcing of 5-7 million manufacturing jobs, and millions more associated jobs. The restaurant sector is now one of the largest employment sectors in America. With almost 16 million workers, roughly 10% of the entire US labor force. As other jobs are outsourced or replaced with robots and AI, these numbers will only get bigger.

Henry Ford figured out that paying his workers more, and reducing their hours would actually increase demand for his product, and thus his profits in the long run. Only 40 years later his own son had to re-learn that same lesson...

"...CIO President Walter Reuther was being shown through the Ford Motor plant in Cleveland recently.
A company executive proudly pointed to some new automatically controlled machines and asked Reuther: “How are you going to collect union dues from these guys?”

Reuther replied: “How are you going to get them to buy Fords?”..."

Shareholder value. Lol.

The jobs went overseas because nobody wanted to buy an American made computer or anything else for double the price of a Japanese or Chinese product of similar or better quality.

 

[Scott CWO]

Being born into an upper middle-class family with connections is certainly helpful. This describes roughly 80% of billionaires.

And most of us here but I still started working at 13 years-old and didn't fall for the leftist BS.

 

[Scott CWO]

Rubio has always been hawkish on Iran and he was supposedly against the deal. The MOU is capitulation by USA and with Iran selling oil without sanctions, $300B future development etc. the regime is better off now than before the war.

I think that's a bit ridiculous. Not a great deal but better off? We wacked about all their senior leadership and war machine factories. Come now.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Oh well it's closed again......what a debacle this whole Iranian "thing" has turned into.....

US-Iran talks to begin in Switzerland as Tehran says it closed Strait of Hormuz

The US disputed Iran's claim the waterway is shut, a move Tehran says was a response to Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

www.bbc.com

It hit debacle status long ago my friend.

New book: The Art of the Debacle?

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump said the prospect of global economic collapse was a big reason he signed an interim peace deal with Iran. That admission exposes a key US weakness heading into the next round of talks with Tehran.

Trump’s Fears About Economy Undercut US Leverage in Iran Talks

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump said the prospect of global economic collapse was a big reason he signed an interim peace deal with Iran. That admission exposes a key US weakness heading into the next round of talks with Tehran.Most Read from BloombergIran Says Hormuz Closed Again as Talks...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Ukraine strikes hit oil facilities in Crimea, Russia’s Krasnodar​

Ukraine strikes hit oil facilities in Crimea, Russia’s Krasnodar

Crimea's Moscow-installed leader says four people killed in drone attack on the Russian-occupied Black Sea peninsula.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[spike.t]

Hitting home in Moscow and st petersburg now.....even been brought up by members of the duma....

Petrol shortages and ‘oil rain’ bring Ukraine war home to Moscow

Ukraine increases strikes on Russian oil and weapons infrastructure as it garners aid and begins EU talks.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Foxi]

The weak kneed allies turned their backs on the U.S.
Can't imagine why Trump would be pissed off at them......

I wish we were even weaker, but
your generals,
your ministers,
the NATO Secretary General,
our heads of state—
they’re all uncritical yes-men.
They’re all just kissing up to an egomaniac just to keep him happy.

Unbearable

Oh, by the way, Brent, your idol said at the start of the Iran war in late February:
"If HE wanted it, there would be a Burger King in the Iranian capital within a few weeks":

So, what's the story—have you tried one there yet?

 

[Brent in Az]

A neighbor gal just lost her six figure software engineering job for a big HR company due to AI. The company gave her zero notice. They called and told her she was laid off and that her computer access would be shut down in a matter of minutes. It was a complete shock. Her husband is a really good mechanic but her income was as high or higher than his. They just built a new house a few years ago and he recently upgraded a lot of his shop equipment so they have some debt. She is a computer whiz and I hire her from time to time for certain projects. Hopefully, she finds something else but it is getting tough out there.

People scoff at me when I tell them AI is going to be humanities Pandora's box.
I detest it in all its forms.

 

[AJ Peacock]

Oh well it's closed again......what a debacle this whole Iranian "thing" has turned into.....

US-Iran talks to begin in Switzerland as Tehran says it closed Strait of Hormuz

The US disputed Iran's claim the waterway is shut, a move Tehran says was a response to Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

www.bbc.com

Actually, I don't believe it is closed. Tehran said it's closed. They've also denied the holocaust, denied hurting their citizens ...

I believe what Tehran says about as far as I could outrun a charging Rhino (anyone that has seen me run, knows that would not be far at all).

AJ

 

[AJ Peacock]

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump said the prospect of global economic collapse was a big reason he signed an interim peace deal with Iran. That admission exposes a key US weakness heading into the next round of talks with Tehran.

Trump’s Fears About Economy Undercut US Leverage in Iran Talks

(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump said the prospect of global economic collapse was a big reason he signed an interim peace deal with Iran. That admission exposes a key US weakness heading into the next round of talks with Tehran.Most Read from BloombergIran Says Hormuz Closed Again as Talks...

finance.yahoo.com

Yeah, that dreaded US weakness about not causing irepairable harm to everyone on the planet. Dang, if we just didn't have that weakness, we could accomplish anything!

AJ

 

[Tanks]

People scoff at me when I tell them AI is going to be humanities Pandora's box.
I detest it in all its forms.

Buggy whip manufacturers felt the same way about internal combustion engines. Adapt or perish.

 

[wingshot74]

It hit debacle status long ago my friend.

New book: The Art of the Debacle?

Spike summed it up with “balls-up”

 

[Brent in Az]

Buggy whip manufacturers felt the same way about internal combustion engines. Adapt or perish.

Not even remotely the same type of comparison.
Internal combustion engines created jobs, and didn't strip people of them.

 

[spike.t]

Actually, I don't believe it is closed. Tehran said it's closed. They've also denied the holocaust, denied hurting their citizens ...

I believe what Tehran says about as far as I could outrun a charging Rhino (anyone that has seen me run, knows that would not be far at all).

AJ

Was being sarcastic...but as far as I am concerned it is a debacle.....and I was pretty sure it was never going to end well from the beginning.....people don't seem to comprehend that that Iranian regime doesn't give a flying fk about the Iranian people, or Iran itself....they are only interested in their own "wants"....which is the destruction of Israel and basically the Christian world.....and regardless of what people spout out , they still do have the capabilities to inflict serious damage on their Gulf neighbours...and they were still hitting US bases in the region pretty recently ...if they decided to just go for it ,all they have to do is hit the desalination plants and more oil infrastructure in those countries...then there will be big problems.....as far as they are concerned they have held the usa to a stalemate so far...which is win win for them.....and with trump saying he needed to end the "war" as he was worried about a global financial meltdown, that gives the Iranians plenty to work with....as they don't care about that....the leaders are now even more radical from what I have read, including the Iranian people saying this..... they are rabid....and there is only one thing you do with rabid animals............

 

[spike.t]

And Israel isn't going to back down....

 

[Tanks]

Not even remotely the same type of comparison.
Internal combustion engines created jobs, and didn't strip people of them.

AI is stripping people of jobs the same way computers stripped people of jobs. We don't have switchboard operators, clerk/typists etc.. People have adapted and have new jobs that were not even conceivable in the past.

It wasn't that long ago I used to write code on paper give it to a tech aid who went and punched it into a deck of cards to be run on a computer, get the output and bring it back to me to fix errors. That process which took hours took seconds later on in the cycle. Now, you have "vibe coding" where one defines the problem, outlines the approach and the AI does the heavy lifting and generates the code. Someone still has to define the problem and the parameters.

BTW, that "black box" approach is what companies used when shipping software development to India just a few of decades ago. One created the design documents and sent it to India and some time later got the code back for testing etc. before putting it into production. If anything AI is replacing the people who the software development was being farmed to.

Of course, AI is also being used in a lot of other areas as well.