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It’s always amazing to me how people from other countries seem to believe they can offer expert opinions of life and how people should or should not believe in another country. They always seem to want to tell the citizens how they are wrong and how their country and it’s duly elected leadership is wrong.
If you don’t like what is happening then move to that country, establish citizenship and vote the way you believe the country should be managed. Otherwise pack sand.
 
It’s always amazing to me how people from other countries seem to believe they can offer expert opinions of life and how people should or should not believe in another country. They always seem to want to tell the citizens how they are wrong and how their country and it’s duly elected leadership is wrong.
If you don’t like what is happening then move to that country, establish citizenship and vote the way you believe the country should be managed. Otherwise pack sand.

I don’t disagree with your point at all. However, in my experience, Americans as individuals, and the USA as a country, have quite a history of doing exactly this. There is an old saying about a pot and a kettle…
 
Many of us have the fantasy to let these leftists have their cities, and/or states to themselves.

Let them enact all of their ridiculous policies. Bring in as many foreigners as they like into their cities. Free everything.

How long would their system last without the rest of us supporting it.

It’s of course already happening to a lesser degree . Those with means are moving away from cities and states that are swirling down the drain with the mental illness of liberalism.
 
I wasn´t talking about Spain, but Europe in general

I will just give you a fact, and then leave the discussion, as we may start to speak past each other.

In France 50% of muslim girls marry non muslim men, about 28% of muslim men marry non muslim girls. I don´t have data for other countries.

I would call this assimilation.

These are my opinions, coming from someone who was born in a muslim country and lived in several others, I can say I know them well.

And yes, we are concerned with jihadism, we never know when they may strike, in 2004 we had 192 dead and around 2000 wounded in several bomb attack on the railways in Madrid. So they shoud be found and deported.
It's a pretty low bar if you consider that assimilation.
 
Just about to post this as well. It clearly blows up the "lost in traffic narrative" of yesterday. The woman standing is the driver's "partner," clearly filming the exchange as she confronts officers. The video is apparently legit as evidenced by Fox now reporting it. It also has the virtue of giving a clearer perspective from the officers point of view. It would be my primary evidence in the review of the incident and any future trial - criminal or civil.
Kinda blows the BS narrative out of the water.
 
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You should not believe the media, we do have problems, immigation being one of them, but we do not have race riots daily on our streets, most migrants want to assimilate and live peacefully.

We do have some jihadists and those should be shown the door, we are working on it.

On my mentioning some of your compatriots, I was under the impression that my statement was clear, they don´t know/don´t care about anything outside the USA.

And I say some, not all, others do have a deep knowledge of what is going around the world.

All the best :D Cheers:
Your country, of all countries, having been over run by Islam in the past and for centuries, should know that many Islamic people only peacefully assimilate until they have the numbers to forcefully dominate. The litmus test is: do they, the peaceful, presently and PUBLICALLY condemn the radicals? If not you WILL have trouble going forward. Islam is a lot like communism--you can vote them into power, but have to shoot your way out. I hope you will be wise going forward. It is not like you have to reinvent the wheel.
 
The officer’s body camera footage has been released. He was circling the car and was getting the license plate on video while being harassed by the deceased’s “wife” who was also out of the car. When the other officers approached the car and told the driver to get out, she took off towards the officer who shot her. Her “wife” was also yelling, “Drive, Baby drive!” This same officer had been dragged by another car a couple weeks earlier.

It’s too bad these wackos hooked up and got radicalized. I wonder if the “wife” will be out there harassing officers again? FAFO.
The more information that comes out the clearer the picture. I hope there is no malfeasance. Ultimately Trump said it correctly when he described it as a horrible thing to watch.

In a larger sense, I don’t understand how a culture based on dialogue and ideas can devolve into positions and hysteria. It seems that someone has done a great job undermining our culture.
 
The Fox News video does not show the officer being struck by the car. He is clearly beside the car when the shooting starts. The angle of the camera shows he is FACING the driver's side front fender and headlight with plenty of space between him and the vehicle. Then the shooting starts. He struggles to discombobulate his camera AFTER the shots were fired. He is not in front of the vehicle trying to photograph the license plate. He'd already determined there was no license in front and then walked around to the back and photographed the rear license plate. Then back around in front of the car AFTER the mouthy partner chick gets into the car SO THEY CAN LEAVE. Them leaving should have been what everyone wanted. "Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever. Now get outta here."

Blocking roads has been a fact of life for nonviolent protest since at least Ghandi's time. I'm not sure that's actually what the ladies were up to but if so it doesn't warrant a violent confrontation. The ICE guys were escalating when they should have been deescalating.

The other officer who tried to open the door was clearly looking at the shooter when shots were fired. I suspect his body cam gave a much clearer picture of events. I guess that's why Fox News hasn't broadcast it. We know how clear they like to be in their reporting Trump screwups. I can point you to their huge litigation settlement with Dominion Voting Machine Co.

I guess I can understand why there may have been a protest. I'm sure I would not be very happy about a horde of masked clowns with guns swarming through my kid's elementary school. ICE can do their job with discretion. But hey, bullying is what this regime is all about. Tough guy stuff from a commander in chief who was too chicken to face combat himself. Now he needs to be heroic pushing other people around from his easy chair at the golf course. Big man!
 
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There’s a video from what looks like a traffic cam that clearly shows the officer being struck, his feet move back and his torso hits the hood.
 
Your country, of all countries, having been over run by Islam in the past and for centuries, should know that many Islamic people only peacefully assimilate until they have the numbers to forcefully dominate. The litmus test is: do they, the peaceful, presently and PUBLICALLY condemn the radicals? If not you WILL have trouble going forward. Islam is a lot like communism--you can vote them into power, but have to shoot your way out. I hope you will be wise going forward. It is not like you have to reinvent the wheel.
Your ignorance of Islam and Europen history really shined through in that post. Life for Spanish Christians and Jews under centuries of Moorish rule was probably the most enlightened and liberal in Europe during the Middle Ages. The Crusades were essentially an excuse for thugs in armor to rampage through Europe attacking other Christians to build their own kingdoms. And what did the Crusaders do when they finally conquered Jerusalem? Herd all the Jewish residents into the middle of town ... and burn them alive. The Islamic govt let them live and practice their religion in peace. Want to read a real life horror story, check out the history of the Roman Catholic Spanish Inquisition. Then come back and tell me how much more terrible life was for Spaniards under Islam. The Moorish dynasty was remarkable for culture, religious tolerance, science advancements, art, and architecture. The Christians who eventually drove them out were barely more than savages by comparison.
 
Your ignorance of Islam and Europen history really shined through in that post. Life for Spanish Christians and Jews under centuries of Moorish rule was probably the most enlightened and liberal in Europe during the Middle Ages. The Crusades were essentially an excuse for thugs in armor to rampage through Europe attacking other Christians to build their own kingdoms. And what did the Crusaders do when they finally conquered Jerusalem? Herd all the Jewish residents into the middle of town ... and burn them alive. The Islamic govt let them live and practice their religion in peace. Want to read a real life horror story, check out the history of the Roman Catholic Spanish Inquisition. Then come back and tell me how much more terrible life was for Spaniards under Islam. The Moorish dynasty was remarkable for culture, religious tolerance, science advancements, art, and architecture. The Christians who eventually drove them out were barely more than savages by comparison.

Your ignorance of modern day Islam really shines through in that post.
 
Your ignorance of Islam and Europen history really shined through in that post. Life for Spanish Christians and Jews under centuries of Moorish rule was probably the most enlightened and liberal in Europe during the Middle Ages.
Sure, if you call beheading, being skinned alive, boiled alive, disemboweled, and raped "Enlightened".
Liberal is not the term most would use for an invading Army, but you never cease to amaze me. Entire regions of Spain are desolate to this very day because they were laid waste by the Muslim Armies in an attempt to kill, capture, or force the submission of any non muslim,

The Crusades were essentially an excuse for thugs in armor to rampage through Europe attacking other Christians to build their own kingdoms.
Again, your total ignorance of history and religion is astounding. Mohammad died in 632, and Muslim Armies spread out from Arabia to slaughter Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, and anyone else who would not convert to Islam. The first Crusade to fight back against Islam by Christians did not START until 1095! Some quick math say Christians were persecuted, slaughtered, raped, etc. for 463 years before they organized to fight back! Yet we have your statement above. It would be difficult for me to recall a more idiotic statement.
The Islamic govt let them live and practice their religion in peace.
HARDLY.
Again, this is totally false. After the death of Mohammad in 632, Muslim Armies slaughtered their way across Egypt and north Africa in the west, and into Iran and India in the east.

As a matter of fact, util the 19th Century, the Muslim conquest of India was known as the bloodiest conquest in Human History. Even Muslim sources give accounts of hundred of Hindus who were skinned alive, and their skins displayed outside the gates of Delhi.

The estimated death toll was 70 million.

Those that survived were taxed into poverty bordering on starvation. This tax is call "Jizya", and is the same grinding starvation and utter poverty the Spaniards were put under.

But golly, according to you, it's those Christians that done did all the bad!
 
I don’t disagree with your point at all. However, in my experience, Americans as individuals, and the USA as a country, have quite a history of doing exactly this. There is an old saying about a pot and a kettle…
I think that’s because we live in the GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we tend to run our mouths!!!!
 
I think that’s because we live in the GREATEST COUNTRY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we tend to run our mouths!!!!

Well, as someone who is the citizen of two countries and has had the good fortune to travel the world, I agree wholeheartedly! God bless the USA! We aren’t perfect, but we’re the best there is!
 
Uh ... wait ... what happened to the individual's right to freedom of expression? Clearly, the ladies were ending their "protest" (not a "riot" by any stretch). They were attempting to leave. Should have let them drive off. Why not? Then the ICE dudes can go do whatever it was they were supposed to do. Instead they shoot some gal who says she just came to drop her kid off at school. What's the point in that? Why not let her drive off instead of jump in front of the vehicle and escalate things? These guys were spoiling for a fight. When you put on the badge, you need to put on a thick skin too. Part of the job. It's why I gave up on police work. I don't see how that video helps the govt's "justified shoot" position. Just makes it worse.

Please tell us more about your police work?
 
Sure, if you call beheading, being skinned alive, boiled alive, disemboweled, and raped "Enlightened".
Liberal is not the term most would use for an invading Army, but you never cease to amaze me. Entire regions of Spain are desolate to this very day because they were laid waste by the Muslim Armies in an attempt to kill, capture, or force the submission of any non muslim,


Again, your total ignorance of history and religion is astounding. Mohammad died in 632, and Muslim Armies spread out from Arabia to slaughter Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, and anyone else who would not convert to Islam. The first Crusade to fight back against Islam by Christians did not START until 1095! Some quick math say Christians were persecuted, slaughtered, raped, etc. for 463 years before they organized to fight back! Yet we have your statement above. It would be difficult for me to recall a more idiotic statement.

HARDLY.
Again, this is totally false. After the death of Mohammad in 632, Muslim Armies slaughtered their way across Egypt and north Africa in the west, and into Iran and India in the east.

As a matter of fact, util the 19th Century, the Muslim conquest of India was known as the bloodiest conquest in Human History. Even Muslim sources give accounts of hundred of Hindus who were skinned alive, and their skins displayed outside the gates of Delhi.

The estimated death toll was 70 million.

Those that survived were taxed into poverty bordering on starvation. This tax is call "Jizya", and is the same grinding starvation and utter poverty the Spaniards were put under.

But golly, according to you, it's those Christians that done did all the bad!
My PhD in history stands me in pretty good stead as an authority. As I said, Google the Moors and then Google Spanish Inquisition. Jews were allowed to live in peace in Jerusalem under Islamic rule ... until the Crusaders showed up. Christian clerics also able to worship at holy sites in the Holy Land. Muslims were executed outright during the Crusaders' brief Kingdom of Jerusalem. It was a brutal time but Christians were no less brutal than their Muslim counterparts.
 

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