soumya sarkar
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Will a 470 ne bullet in a close charge situation be able to pass thru the thick boss of a cape buffalo and reach the brain?
Thanks for your perspective Golam saheb. Now I understand why some folks prefer a soft and solid combo in a DB. Dr Robertson advises in using a soft first shot followed by a NF CPS as a devastating combo in 500 grains thru the barrel of a 470 ne.The 500Gr flat nosed Barnes Banded Solid can easily do it. I've seen it done in Botswana by one of our white hunters.
My friend, Mr. Mark Sullivan of Nitro Express Safaris currently uses a .577 Nitro Express Heym Model 88B. Using 750Gr Cutting Edge Bullets monolithic brass flat nosed Safari Solids (loaded by Superior Ammo), he has zero problems shooting through the boss of a Cape buffalo and reaching the brain.
I personally used a .375 Holland & Holland Magnum (loaded with RWS factory loaded 300Gr round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids) to shoot through the boss on a Cape buffalo in 1976. The solid reached his brain and downed him on the spot.
Nevertheless, this feat should only be attempted with monolithic or thick steel jacketed FMJ solids. I knew an American client hunter in Kenya, 1974 who attempted the "Boss" shot on a Cape buffalo with a .458 Winchester Magnum post '64 Model 70. He was using Winchester Super Speed factory loaded 500Gr gilding metal jacketed FMJ solids. The bullet came to pieces upon striking the animal's boss. If our white hunter, Mr. Cheffings had not fired the shot which stopped the charging bull in time... then, things could have gotten very ugly really soon. Mr. Cheffings was armed with a .458 Winchester Magnum BSA Majestic, loaded with older pre '69 Winchester Super Speed factory loaded 500Gr round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids.
Soumya, I really want you to succeed in your impending Cape buffalo hunt. So trust me. Listen to your white hunter. Practice shooting off sticks with your beautiful .470 Nitro Express Kreighoff Big Five. Let him get you in the perfect broadside position to the Cape buffalo. Give him two good heart-lung shots behind the shoulder with 500Gr Swift A Frames. Or at least a pair of good double lung shots. The margin for error on a double lung shot for Cape buffalo is pretty forgiving since this is the largest target on the animal’s body. That dagga boy won’t go 100 yards after your're through with him.Thanks for your perspective Golam saheb. Now I understand why some folks prefer a soft and solid combo in a DB. Dr Robertson advises in using a soft first shot followed by a NF CPS as a devastating combo in 500 grains thru the barrel of a 470 ne.
Thank you! with your and everyone wishes I’m sure I will be successful. I’m practicing shooting off a tripod and at the same time practicing my reloads with a level of success. It is a process but I’m happy to where I’ve been able to get in a short time. Have to keep at it and be patient with diligence.Soumya, I really want you to succeed in your impending Cape buffalo hunt. So trust me. Listen to your white hunter. Practice shooting off sticks with your beautiful .470 Nitro Express Kreighoff Big Five. Let him get you in the perfect broadside position to the Cape buffalo. Give him two good heart-lung shots behind the shoulder with 500Gr Swift A Frames. Or at least a pair of good double lung shots. The margin for error on a double lung shot for Cape buffalo is pretty forgiving since this is the largest target on the animal’s body. That dagga boy won’t go 100 yards after your're through with him.
Boss shot is not something that I recommend to a first time Cape buffalo hunter (although I have 100% confidence in your shooting abilities).
Rhino solid shank 500 Jeff has no problem smashing through a buff boss at close range......no need for solids....much more damage caused as well....Will a 470 ne bullet in a close charge situation be able to pass thru the thick boss of a cape buffalo and reach the brain?
You are killing me heard so much of the solid shanks that I really want to get hands on some. Unfortunately no response to my email to the new owners.previous owners had been responsive but then I heard of some quality control issues which I think has been fixed.Rhino solid shank 500 Jeff has no problem smashing through a buff boss at close range......no need for solids....much more damage caused as well....
The previous bullets were excellent but were occasionally a couple of grains inconsistent in weight.You are killing me heard so much of the solid shanks that I really want to get hands on some. Unfortunately no response to my email to the new owners.previous owners had been responsive but then I heard of some quality control issues which I think has been fixed.
Habib,The previous bullets were excellent but were occasionally a couple of grains inconsistent in weight.
The newly manufactured ones have solved even this tiny inconsistency.
Rhino Solid Shanks and DZOMBO MK. VI solids are the best African made bullets on the current market today.
Why thank you, Doug. But I am still learning something new everyday. Up until IvW mentioned it, I had absolutely no idea that the Rhino Solid Shank (an expanding bullet) can penetrate the boss of a Cape buffalo.Habib,
If a hunter with your experience believes that these bullets are the best, the rest of us would be foolish not to believe it. Keep writing. We learn a lot!
Doug
Yes, this forum is fortunate to have folks like you and IVW et al. Comments straight and not full of ?Habib,
If a hunter with your experience believes that these bullets are the best, the rest of us would be foolish not to believe it. Keep writing. We learn a lot!
Doug
North Fork has the same solid shank construction and is available in the USWhy thank you, Doug. But I am still learning something new everyday. Up until IvW mentioned it, I had absolutely no idea that the Rhino Solid Shank (an expanding bullet) can penetrate the boss of a Cape buffalo.
But to be fair, these bullets do have their rear halves (or "Shanks") made completely out of monolithic copper. So straight line penetration is far superior to conventional lead cored expanding bullets (like Woodleighs). So it's entirely plausible.
Are you referring to their cup points or SS?North Fork has the same solid shank construction and is available in the US
Also the Trophy Bonded Claw. But those are getting next to impossible to find, these days.North Fork has the same solid shank construction and is available in the US