New name same opinions

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Welcome back and don’t get kicked off this time

I was never kicked off , simply a name change

 

[HankBuck]

I was never kicked off , simply a name change

Tubby, I think you clearly explained that in your OP but if you can be criticized for liking John Wayne….better be ready for “anything”

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Tubby, I think you clearly explained that in your OP but if you can be criticized for liking John Wayne….better be ready for “anything”

Not my first trip to the principals office

 

[Houston Bill]

Dodging service, especially during WWII, is a good enough reason to judge him. Take a look at bios for his costars and all the other actors in "Flying Tigers." Almost all served. His female costar married her USO tour pilot. Wayne's male costar, Phillip Caroll, actually did time as an Army pilot and nearly died in a crash during North Africa campaign (broke his back). Even one of the Asian bit actors eventually died in a US Veterans hospital. Those five "propoganda films" Wayne made with RKO were pure BS. Total make-a-buck-quick B movies. They were ridiculously fakey. The Battan movie got the name right and pretty much nothing else. Total fiction. Even worse was the PT-boat movie. It's no wonder GIs shot to hell booed him off the stage at the Hawaii hospital (my dad may well have been one of them). He was making a mockery of the war and making money at it. How much was their salary? Every movie star who put aside his career to serve never saw their careers suffer after the war. Quite the opposite. But hey, those cheesey war flicks at least provided Wayne an opportunity to screw around on his wife with costar Marlina Dietrich. Yeah, he was a class act. And that John Wayne treading water shuffle. Ever wonder where that came from? He admitted he copied it from Tom Mix ... who was a genuine cowboy. Forgot to mention he used his wife and four little kids as a legitimate excuse to get out of the draft ... initially anyway. Until his philandering ended the marriage. Then he cried to the movie execs to intervene with the draft board because if he was drafted he claimed he would only be a private and he was better than that.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion even though it is not shared by most Americans

 

[Randy F]

I’m confused which country do you even identify with? Canada or the us. Your name is Ontario hunter but you keep identifying yourself as American.

I continue to hear the Jeopardy theme alternating with deafening crickets.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion even though it is not shared by most Americans

Yes, the public is easily influenced ... especially if the media/movie execs can make some $$$. Google the movie "Carpetbaggers." Every male on the cast and support staff except the producer and Archie Moore did their service during WWII. Moore, though he would become a world champion light heavyweight boxer, had to retire early due to ulcers and surgery which no doubt classed him 4F for the draft (he eventually returned to the ring and boxed into his forties). Lew Ayers, also in the Carpetbaggers cast, had his career derailed because he declared himself a conscientious objecter during WWII. The only reason he did that was because the Army would  not guarantee he would be sent to combat as a medic. Though morally against killing people, Ayers didn't want the stigma of cowardice. Eventually the military relented, allowed him to enlist as a combat medic, and he was with the troops when they landed at Leyte Gulf. His "cowardice" caused him to lose his role as Dr Kildaire in the movie series. Eventually Ayers was offered the same role in the TV series but refused it when producers refused his demand that the show not be sponsored by cigarette commercials. Now there was a real Amercan hero! But no one knows because Ayers didn't suck up to the media makers. Too genuine. John Wayne not so much.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I’m confused which country do you even identify with? Canada or the us. Your name is Ontario hunter but you keep identifying yourself as American.

An American can live anywhere. I have even met a few who live in Africa. FYI I'm a disabled US Army veteran, US citizen, and Canadian Permanent Resident since 1989.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Yes, the public is easily influenced ... especially if the media/movie execs can make some $$$. Google the movie "Carpetbaggers." Every male on the cast and support staff except the producer and Archie Moore did their service during WWII. Moore, though he would become a world champion light heavyweight boxer, had to retire early due to ulcers and surgery which no doubt classed him 4F for the draft (he eventually returned to the ring and boxed into his forties). Lew Ayers, also in the Carpetbaggers cast, had his career derailed because he declared himself a conscientious objecter during WWII. The only reason he did that was because the Army would  not guarantee he would be sent to combat as a medic. Though morally against killing people, Ayers didn't want the stigma of cowardice. Eventually the military relented, allowed him to enlist as a combat medic, and he was with the troops when they landed at Leyte Gulf. His "cowardice" caused him to lose his role as Dr Kildaire in the movie series. Eventually Ayers was offered the same role in the TV series but refused it when producers refused his demand that the show not be sponsored by cigarette commercials. Now there was a real Amercan hero! But no one knows because Ayers didn't suck up to the media makers. Too genuine. John Wayne not so much.

If I remember my history a carpetbagger Is a derogatory term used to describe a pushy over opinionated northerner who moved to the south in the years following a war and forced their beliefs on those of the south. I’m curious what you call them when they move to Ontario.

 

[thriller]

Never scene it

You should watch it. It has some funny parts

 

[Ridge Runner]

"Jane Fonda “humped” a Viet Cong Cannon and her movie career flourished afterwards..."

I may be wrong but I don't think so....
Hanoi Jane's movie career plummeted after her dramatics for support of North Vietnam on camera.

Vets and many Americans condemned her and boycotted her movies.

Although she has unsuccessfully tried to make a come back to the movie industry in her later years she is, and as far as the veterans in my family and many other vets, she will always remain and be remembered as Hanoi Jane, a traitor and a disgrace.

 

[Ridge Runner]

As a disabled American veteran I have no use for John Wayne. And neither did my WWII disabled vet dad. Here's why. https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/columns/2014/05/26/today-is-107th-birthday-john/37252322007/

Well I read your Here's why.
I would put the POS unnamed author in the same class as the POS Greta Thunberg.
If this is your basis for disliking John Wayne and his 'studious avoidance' to avoid military service. I guess you read through the part of his biography where he " applied to the U.S. Naval Academy, but was not accepted due to poor grades."

You should also look into the Defense Department's claim that Wayne's, popular movie star status, would be more beneficial to the war effort.

If you're trolling for a real draft dodger, look no farther than Cassius Clay Jr., aka Muhammed Ali.

 

[freefall]

Hey! There you are!

When you get that museum together, just remember, it doesn't exist unless we see pics.

Go there and buy a ticket! Museums don't just pay for their ownselves ya know!

I typed this reply when I was first reading this topic. Now that I have read all the way to the end I have to say I am truly impressed the way we can turn virtually ANY topic into a pissing match.
YAY us!

 

[Randy F]

Go there and buy a ticket! Museums don't just pay for their ownselves ya know!

I typed this reply when I was first reading this topic. Now that I have read all the way to the end I have to say I am truly impressed the way we can turn virtually ANY topic into a pissing match.
YAY us!

And we wonder why our governments can’t quit arguing and get shit done.

 

[freefall]

And we wonder why our governments can’t quit arguing and get shit done.

Indeed. Why should we expect more of congress-critters (which are known to be among the lowest forms of life) than we can deliver of ourselves?