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Hi Sarg, good to hear from you. I hope life has been treating you well. That photo brings back a lot of fond memories.

While I love my leverguns, when it comes to hunting DG, there is nothing quite like a tuned bolt action in 458Win.
 
There have been a few BLR conversions here in Oz. The most recent ones I’ve heard of were in 375 & 416 Ruger. The starting point is a BLR with a steel receiver.
That is a problem here. Finding BLR's with steel receivers for sale on the used market is rare. I have seen exactly 1 aluminum receiver BLR converted to 416 Ruger. They cut the barrel off but left I think about 10" or so of the barrel on the receiver. Then they bored and threaded the original barrel, and threaded a new 416 Ruger barrel to match. The company said the jigs that had to be manufactured to machine everything true were a major undertaking. This was done by a company called Aria Ballistics Engineering. I spoke at length to the owner of this company about converting a BLR for me to 458WM. He did not say "no", but did explain what a PITA these guns are to convert. I got the idea this was going to be a VERY expensive proposition, if they accepted the job. They were relocating their shop to another state at the time, and were not taking on new work. I haven't checked back since. If I recall correctly, the 416 Ruger converted rifle was offered on GB at around $4800. Very professional work. I had no idea the barrel had been "spliced" from the detailed photos. I only knew because the owner told me.
 
If you want something close in a BLR, look for a one in 450 Marlin and use a mag that suits a 325 WSM. The factory 450 mags are blocked and the 325 mags aren’t and allow a loaded length of 2.8”.
 
With any bullet long enough and a longer leade or throat, the .45/70 can easily be loaded long and shoot well, but, you must have a Lee Factory Crimp die to crimp them. While this doesn't matter with TSX bullets due to the multitude of grooves, the bullet designed for a tubular magazine are made precisely for the .45/70. These 250gr. and 300gr. in HP flat nose configuration are said to expand well from a .45/70. Their 300gr. might just be an excellent deer bullet for across the field shots in both .45/70 and .45/90.
Barnes data has the 250gr. going up to 2,600fps and the 300 at up to 2,314fps from a Marlin.
 
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With any bullet long enough and a longer leade or throat, the .45/70 can easily be loaded long and shoot well, but, you must have a Lee Factory Crimp die to crimp them. While this doesn't matter with TSX bullets due to the multitude of grooves, the bullet designed for a tubular magazine are made precisely for the .45/70. These 250gr. and 300gr. in HP flat nose configuration are said to expand well from a .45/70. Their 300gr. might just be an excellent deer bullet for across the field shots in both .45/70 and .45/90.
Barnes data has the 250gr. going up to 2,600fps and the 300 at up to 2,314fps from a Marlin.
I never trust the Lee Factory Crimp Die without a cannelure on heavy recoiling rounds.

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Now that looks interesting, I had a cheaper smaller unit when I loaded 10mm slugs in my 38/40 back in the day, I think 180-200gr XTP.

What slugs are you making there, 223 into ? & weight ?

.375 270-300gr ?

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458 caliber, 505 grains, made from a fired 308 case as a bullet jacket.


The dies and punches in the 2 plastic cases in the first picture of the previous post are my 458 swaging dies. They were made by a man named Richard Corbin and work in a hand press he also manufactured. He is now retired.
 
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CH4D used to sell a cannelure machine, adjustable for any bullet dia. and location.
A buddy of mine has one.
The Lee die can impress quite a deep crimping groove in a cup and core bullet.
 
In my testing of .457/8" bullets made from .303 brass (.457base), and 30/40 Krag, (same dia.) I found with non-annealed cases, if filled with WW alloy(12/13 brinel), that they penned almost like a solid. My "material" was a green railway tie, shot into the end grain. The temp was -40. The slug went through 2, 3"dia. knots that were like glass, yet the bullet penned 14". It lost 15gr. weight, IIRC, yet had a slightly rounded lead nose. I actually posted this bullet and some more, in a different thread.
 
CH4D used to sell a cannelure machine, adjustable for any bullet dia. and location.
A buddy of mine has one.
The Lee die can impress quite a deep crimping groove in a cup and core bullet.
Of course you are correct about the Lee dies. My father wore belt and suspenders all his life. Although I don't dress like him, I guess deep down where it counts I'm a "belt and suspenders" man too.
 
In my testing of .457/8" bullets made from .303 brass (.457base), and 30/40 Krag, (same dia.) I found with non-annealed cases, if filled with WW alloy(12/13 brinel), that they penned almost like a solid. My "material" was a green railway tie, shot into the end grain. The temp was -40. The slug went through 2, 3"dia. knots that were like glass, yet the bullet penned 14". It lost 15gr. weight, IIRC, yet had a slightly rounded lead nose. I actually posted this bullet and some more, in a different thread.
Pure soft lead flows into the shape of the die when swaged at about 5000 psi at room temp. The psi required for the lead to flow increases with the SQUARE of the hardness. That means for every 2 points Bhn, the psi to make the lead distort roughly doubles. 7 Bhn requires about 10,000 psi. 10 Bhn requires about 30,000 or more. 13 Bhn would require about 60,000 psi. People don't realize when you go from 5 Bhn of pure lead, to 13 Bhn of wheel weights, you are increasing "toughness" of the lead against deformation about 12x. The harder the lead gets the more prone it is to break on impact with a hard surface, but if it is inside a thick jacket, it is likely to still hold together. That is why your WW lead will knock a hole in a knot and just keep going, ESPECIALLY if jacketed. It is also why anything much harder than pure lead can crack smaller swaging dies.

As a custom bullet maker, if I cast a hard lead core, place it into a closed pure copper jacket with a wall thickness of about .035 or .050 (instead of .015 commercial jackets) with a drop of fluxing agent, melt the core in the jacket with a torch, to bond the core to the jacket, and drop the hot bullet into water to quench the lead, I end up with a bullet that penetrate against even the largest pachyderm.
 
I had a Winchester model 1886 deluxe in 45-90. I’ve read about people using this rifle and cartridge to shoot elephants successfully. With that in mind, an elephant gun can have a very heavy recoil, and my experience with warm loads confirms that this rifle/cartridge combo will kick. Something to keep in mind if you go this route.
 
I'm about at my limit, as shooting today to get my zero down for elk this fall, using my .45/70 with 350gr. Hornady at 2,030fps. The rifle weighs just shy of 8 1/4 pounds. The load was 58gr. Bench Mark and the 350 FN Hornady and not a max load, but close enough and good enough for elk. Good accuracy, touching at 50 yards, open barrel sights, left hand on the fore/end & back of the hand resting on the bag on my BR. A peep or aperture would be better, just don't have one. LOL
My other shooting today was with my Marlin HMR - now THAT was pleasant and watch the hole appear in the target.
 
I guess i should have re-stated, my rifle is a Pedersoli model 1886/71.
 

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idjeffp wrote on Fish2table's profile.
I will be looking for a set of these when my .505 is done... sadly not cashed up right now for these. :(
Need anything in trade?
Cheers,
Jeff P
cwpayton wrote on Halligan1975's profile.
what kind of velocity does the 140 grains list, curious how they would fit in with my current 130 gr, supply of 270s. maybe a pic of the box data listing vel. and drop. Oh and complements on that ammo belt, nice.
 
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