Let's settle this! Africa's most dangerous?

[farmer_john]

What history books have you been reading? Even in Britain during the relatively recent Industrial Revolution essentially every household disposed of their excrement via chamber pots tossed in the gutter. The only homes with running water were the ultra rich who could afford the manpower or steam pumps to refill cisterns in the upper levels. Read up on Dr Snow's discovery of the cause of London's cholera epidemics via his "ghost map" research which revealed the source to be contaminated public water pumps. This was also the era when Thomas Crapper re-invented and popularized the "water closet" flushing toilet ... which required it's cistern to be filled manually. Yes, in the old days water might run artificially to a community (e.g. Roman aqueducts) but rarely to one's house, let alone inside it.

And?

Earliest forms of running water date back to 4000-3000 B.C. in the Indus River Valley, featuring copper and earthen pipes for drainage. Early civilizations relied on rudimentary, gravity-fed systems, including canals and clay pipes in Egypt (c. 2500 B.C.) and Minoan terrracotta pipes (2200-1400 B.C.). These systems transported, and sometimes heated, water, evolving into complex Roman aqueducts by 52 A.D..


Like your telling me. Hey high chance your wife and kids eill get killed getting water from river. Im not going to go awwwww shiiit. And sit there.

Dig a hole. Fill it with rocks except a well sized central portion.

Dig channel to the river congrats you have a cistern that collects water and doesnt collect crocs.

Like alexander the great conquoring the world they lived in mud huts.

sent man to the moon. Still living in mud huts.

While indoor plumbing was rare. Even in antiquity it did exist.
Aquaducts and irrigation channels were a thing. Hell ancient mesopatamia had a very complex network for water managment some of those canals are still in use.

So yes my friend outside your very narrow deffinition of running water. Has been a technology known to man for a very long time. Hell ram pumps have been around since 1772 wich is relativly recent. But simple tech to replicate

 

[Ontario Hunter]

And?

Earliest forms of running water date back to 4000-3000 B.C. in the Indus River Valley, featuring copper and earthen pipes for drainage. Early civilizations relied on rudimentary, gravity-fed systems, including canals and clay pipes in Egypt (c. 2500 B.C.) and Minoan terrracotta pipes (2200-1400 B.C.). These systems transported, and sometimes heated, water, evolving into complex Roman aqueducts by 52 A.D..


Like your telling me. Hey high chance your wife and kids eill get killed getting water from river. Im not going to go awwwww shiiit. And sit there.

Dig a hole. Fill it with rocks except a well sized central portion.

Dig channel to the river congrats you have a cistern that collects water and doesnt collect crocs.

Like alexander the great conquoring the world they lived in mud huts.

sent man to the moon. Still living in mud huts.

While indoor plumbing was rare. Even in antiquity it did exist.
Aquaducts and irrigation channels were a thing. Hell ancient mesopatamia had a very complex network for water managment some of those canals are still in use.

So yes my friend outside your very narrow deffinition of running water. Has been a technology known to man for a very long time. Hell ram pumps have been around since 1772 wich is relativly recent. But simple tech to replicate

Prehistory water projects required accommodating geography and enormous amount of labor ... slave labor. In the 21st century we kinda look down on that sort of thing. Sure, machinery can replace labor and overcome geography but the tradeoff then is slave labor being replaced by capital. And these African countries are typically capital lean (for various reasons). Anyway, more infrastructure breeds more development. I am thankful Africa is developing slower than North America. Sad but true.

 

[farmer_john]

Prehistory water projects required accommodating geography and enormous amount of labor ... slave labor. In the 21st century we kinda look down on that sort of thing. Sure, machinery can replace labor and overcome geography but the tradeoff then is slave labor being replaced by capital. And these African countries are typically capital lean (for various reasons). Anyway, more infrastructure breeds more development. I am thankful Africa is developing slower than North America. Sad but true.

Wow
Or are you saying blacks are incapable of doing things like that without someone cracking the whip to motivate them and create a cohesive plan?
And you got to be a slave to work on your own projects to save your family death and mutilation.

I dont understand your viewpoint on this. Because little village in africa where folks got to walk to river to get water. Why not just divert some of it 50-100ft with the members of your community to a cistern.

Investment cost shovels. And or home made digging tools. Where you getting slavery in
all that.

And by divert imean a simple trench to a simple hole in the ground. Arguably if you dig a well near the river the water will naturally seep into it even without a trench. Thereby still saving the wives from gators.

This isnt wonders of the world level engineering projects. This is simple stuff.

 

[fourfive8]

I see oryx were mentioned, but no serious follow up? Believe me a wounded oryx is not an animal to take lightly. They fight each other and ward off and can kill lions with those sabers mounted on their heads. Likely also true of many horned antelope.

 

[BJH65]

What’s interesting this survey doesn’t really line up with J.A. Hunter’s personal rankings he lists in the book, “Hunter.” He based his most dangerous ranking of the Big 5 based on a wounded animal that will charge. Of course he was of a different era, time and place, having killed 1000’s of various species of the Big 5. I’m just paraphrasing from his book.

1. Leopard. The most dangerous of the Big 5 when wounded and during a charge, its the smallest and fastest, presenting a difficult target to hit. Man is relatively fragile and a leopard is quite capable of inflicting horrendous damage on a human.

2. Lion. Incredibley fast, 45 -50 mph top speed, much smaller target when compared to a buffalo, black rhino or elephant. Can inflict damage far more severe than a leopard and much greater likelihood you will be killed. Comes to kill.

3. Buffalo. He will push home a charge when wounded and unlike the other big 5, he has all his senses developed, he can see, hear and scent equally well but his size and slower speed than a lion and leopard counts against him, where you have more time for a shot. Only death will stop him.

4. Black Rhino. Unlike an elephant, the rhino will frequently charge without provocation which makes him more dangerous than the elephant but he will also generally turn from the shot.

5.” Elephant. He is the most intelligent of the group. Unless he is a rogue, his very intelligence tends to keep him from being a menace to hunters, he knows he’s no match against a man with a rifle so tries to avoid man. I am not speaking of an irritable cow elephant with a calf or herd that has been badgered by hunters that they charge on sight.”

So based on the above, regarding cows, I can see why a cow elephant may be considered the most dangerous under those circumstances. Hunter also states, “when an elephant knows he’s being hunted and finds he cannot throw the man off his spoor, he may set out to “hunt the hunter.”

More excerpts from Hunter:

“A charging elephant will nearly always turn from a shot, even if not seriously wounded. Few elephant will push home a charge when they feel the impact of a bullet, for these reasons, I class the elephant as the least dangerous of the Big 5.”

Anyhow, interesting perspective from one of the most experienced African dangerous game hunters of a different era.

 

[Bejane]

speaking with PH's they say Elephants move very very fast when charging and the experience is very frightening. These PH's that I have spoken to rate Ele as number 2 after Lion. A few PH's in Zim in the lat 10 yrs or so have been killed by Elephants

A Leopard is not the most dangerous as it will not kill you, it will bite and scratch you and then atatck someone else in the hunting party. A lion will pick 1 person and kill them.

 

[BJH65]

speaking with PH's they say Elephants move very very fast when charging and the experience is very frightening. These PH's that I have spoken to rate Ele as number 2 after Lion. A few PH's in Zim in the lat 10 yrs or so have been killed by Elephants

A Leopard is not the most dangerous as it will not kill you, it will bite and scratch you and then atatck someone else in the hunting party. A lion will pick 1 person and kill them.

I believe J.A. Hunter based his BIg Five rankings on hunting alone with his tracker, especially when following up a wounded DG animal, not a team of others. There are probably very few white hunters of past history that have his overall experience with the Big Five having killed 1000’s of black rhino, elephant, lions and buffalo but not so with leopard, I suspect that was the fewest in number of the Big Five he killed.

I don’t really have too strong opinions because I have limited personal experience to draw upon. The mock charge of a 17-18 year old bull elephant we had last year was awe inspiring. For such a huge animal, they can cover ground quickly and silently! I picked the buffalo as most dangerous because they kill more visiting hunters than the others.

I just thought it interesting to share J.A. Hunters opinion.