Ischler Waffen and other single shots blue prints

[Muskox]

After finally getting in the door of the Ferlach museum after my 2nd try I am excited to learn more about the guns.

I have the Book Der Drilling.

I have quite a few books on single shot rifles. Like those done by De Haas.

I have been researching patents and found patents for Heerenwaffe systems and Hagn systems. I can't find anything on the Ischler system.

I emailed HTBL Ferlach and Johan Fanzoj and was super sweet and personable in the email. Even followed it up with a phone call to the school in Suhl and Ulm.

I am 100% positive that the school teachers are giving their students some kind of blue print for Heeren, Hagn, Ischler and other single shot rifles. No one has any idea what I am asking for, and they act like it is a state secret.

Does anyone know of a book that covers this?

All of the local gunsmiths in my area went to school at Ulm or Suhl. Neither institution nor the local Suhl firearms museum is letting go of state secrets.

What do you think?

 

[Muskox]

Thought you might like to see some photos of the museum.

 

[Muskox]

I had previously not been impressed with the town of Ferlach.

I am going to retract that.

It is an industrial town, and I only saw the southern side of it. We drove in from Klagenfurt and it is a totally different village coming from that side of town.

If I was 15 years younger and single having just retired from the military I'd be going through their program.

in my 50's over a decade and a half into another career, with a 3 kids at home I think I'll just visit occasionally.

 

[Muskox]

The coyote looking thing is a golden jackal if anyone is wondering.

The big birds are Bustards. I am not sure if they are Kori Bustards or Great Bustards.

 

[Jäger_Ivo]

If I was 15 years younger and single having just retired from the military I'd be going through their program.

in my 50's over a decade and a half into another career, with a 3 kids at home I think I'll just visit occasionally.

Since I was a kid, it's been my dream to study to be a gunsmith (just for fun and as hobby). In Slovakia, I could study it part-time while working. However, I live now in Austria, where it is not possible...

 

[Muskox]

Since I was a kid, it's been my dream to study to be a gunsmith (just for fun and as hobby). In Slovakia, I could study it part-time while working. However, I live now in Austria, where it is not possible...

Anyone can go to Ferlach, they had a 65 year old American or Canadian do the program a few years ago.

You have to speak German, I can't remember what the fluency number is. It isn't as high as I would have thought.

HTBL Ferlach, give them a call.

 

[steve white]

I am surprised they let you take pictures--I was denied that privilege. The makers certainly have no qualms with you giving them free advertising! Feel free to post more about your excursion there.

 

[Muskox]

I am surprised they let you take pictures--I was denied that privilege. The makers certainly have no qualms with you giving them free advertising! Feel free to post more about your excursion there.

I was hunting roe deer last weekend, I am going back in September and again in November to hunt chamois, stags and fallow.

I was there last year to hunt fallow.

All on the Slovenia side.

I am trying to visit HTBL Ferlach in September or November.

I had some interest in writing a book about the Ferlach gunmakers, but I don't want to spend a week there doing research. I'd rather spend it hunting, and as a family tourism town it kind of isn't.

 

[VertigoBE]

Love these pictures of Ischler Stutzens. That is one of my dream rifles to have at some point.

You mentioned you were looking for “a blueprint” for Ischler stutzens? I’m not sure what you mean with this, and I’ll ask a liege educated gin smith this afternoon if he knows anything about this.

 

[Muskox]

Vertigo

Love these pictures of Ischler Stutzens. That is one of my dream rifles to have at some point.

You mentioned you were looking for “a blueprint” for Ischler stutzens? I’m not sure what you mean with this, and I’ll ask a liege educated gin smith this afternoon if he knows anything about this.

thank you Sir,

Yes, I am trying to figure out the how the system works. I have never seen a Ischler with its clothing off, to understand the system.

 

[FlowHamed18]

That's one of the books used in Ferlach

 

[Muskox]

Thank you Sir,

That's one of the books used in Ferlach


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Thank you Sir, I will order it.

 

[FlowHamed18]

Thank you Sir,

Thank you Sir, I will order it.

It is more a general type of book. There are no blue prints in it (if I remember correctly).

But of course it contains the basics of building weapons...

 

[Muskox]

I ordered, do you have any other suggestions?

They were on amazon.de

 

[Muskox]

There was a book a the museum in the book shop, but it didn't look like a firearms textbook. Just a history lesson.

 

[Jäger_Ivo]

Do you know this? You cas find there some inspiration and contacts. Die Büchsenmacher: Meisterwerke der Handwerkskunst.

Christoph Tavernaro porträtiert rund 30 dieser traditionellen Werkstätten. Die Büchsenmacher präsentieren ihre Unternehmen, ihre schönsten Jagdgewehre und deren technische Besonderheiten. Auf 200 Fotos kann man außergewöhnliche Handwerkskunst bewundern.

https://wildundhund.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/11/Die_Buechsenmacher.pdf

 

[Muskox]

Thanks that helped a lot. I have found quite a few of the patents through google, but not everything has a patent on it.

Then you are looking at drawings that could be 100 years old.

Orders both this and Die Geschichte der Ferlacher Büchsenmacher: Von 1885 bis heute

 

[Muskox]

I like the fact that the Ferlach Buchsenmacher book covers old designs. Or I hope it does.

The museum had a couple of Hahn bock drillings. Crazy cool!