Is Zambia China's First Colony?

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Zambia and Uganda defaulting on loans to China and giving away assets, thereby expanding the military footprint.

 

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I agree, but they are not alone. I have seen the same tactic used by the Chinese in Namibia and Cuba. In my opinion the Chinese bring to those countries infrastructure improvements or amenities probably with the intent of exchanging them for natural resources with the end goal of taking over the economic control of their target countries. In Cuba, not so much infrastructure but amenities that the Cuban people can not access, clothing, appliances etc. And it's all of extremely poor quality. With our current federal government in Canada, I think we are in the crosshairs of the Chinese as well, with their acquisition on natural resources here.
 

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The United States is China's largest colony. We sends raw materials to them. They add value by making finished products then sell them back to us. In the process, they've taken most of our manufacturing and made us a debtor nation. It's the British Empire's former blueprint for controlling a large part of the world.
 

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I agree, but they are not alone. I have seen the same tactic used by the Chinese in Namibia and Cuba. In my opinion the Chinese bring to those countries infrastructure improvements or amenities probably with the intent of exchanging them for natural resources with the end goal of taking over the economic control of their target countries. In Cuba, not so much infrastructure but amenities that the Cuban people can not access, clothing, appliances etc. And it's all of extremely poor quality. With our current federal government in Canada, I think we are in the crosshairs of the Chinese as well, with their acquisition on natural resources here.
Our current dictator would relish that, maybe he is already planning, control, disarm, and manipulate. I am surprised we (Canada) do not have the propaganda buses in large cities like I see in China. But we do have his paid off media doing same. He is on record as saying the Chinese system of Government works the best. A true communist at heart he is, just like his real biological father.

MB
 

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The Chinese have been taking over infrastructure in foreign countries for quite a while.

Their approach seems to be to lend money for infrastructure projects in a not-so-well-run foreign country, have the country put up said infrastructure as collateral for the loan, then take possession once the not-so-well-run-country fails to make payments.

The Chinese have a special appetite for strategically important locations.

For instance in Sri Lanka, the Chinese took over Hambantota Harbour in 2017 and are now in the process of taking over a second one.

This gives China a commercial port and potential military base in the middle of the Indian Ocean:

 
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I certainly don't understand macro-economics. Like these. Couldn't Zambia (or Uganda) simply nationalize the airport, road, or whatever, and throw the Chinese out? In South America, many first world investments have been nationalized, one way or another. Panama is a wealthy nation mostly because they nationalized the Canal that US taxpayers paid for. Anyway, it is said that there are more Chinese people in Namibia than White people. Likely true. Corrupt governments often don't negotiate for their people, or for infrastructure, but simply a few off shore accounts, and The Chinese buy resources for pennies on the dollar. ..............World currency will soon switch to the Yen (Jaun, Monopoly Money) when the US begins debt defaults in 2029..........interesting to see how this plays out, but doubtful that The Chinese masters will be any more corrupt than the current African Indigenous governments.................FWB
 

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Pheroze,

I doubt that Zambia and Uganda's debt to China is expanding the latter's military footprint. For an excellent analysis of the Zambian situation read what chinastrategy.org had to say on 29 October 2021 in their article: "WHAT ZAMBIA'S NEW DEBT REVEAL TELLS US ABOUT THE 'CHINA DEBT TRAP' THEORY.

"Six key takeaways explain what we learned — and did not learn — from the data reveal about Zambia’s debt and the role of Chinese lending.

...Which brings me to the fifth takeaway – China’s lending to Zambia. It is not news that Zambia’s largest national creditor is China. The new data puts China’s total lending at $5.05 billion – equivalent to 30 percent of the total external debt and approximately 20 percent of Zambia’s GDP. However, contrary to the mainstream narrative and several past reports, this is no debt trap. Not only do other commercial lenders have more leverage on Zambia, but also close to 80 percent of China’s debt is low-interest, concessional finance from China’s development banks, such as EXIM China, whilst the remaining $948 million is held by a variety of commercial entities, including ICBC and Huawei. Moreover, the data revealed that Zambia’s Chinese lenders are diverse actors with heterogeneous approaches, intents, and goals. As such, they should not be conceptualized as one actor, just like loans from the British government cannot be (and are not) equated with lending from London’s financial sector. It is also relevant that to date China has been Zambia’s largest bilateral disburser of debt relief, with $259 million in debt cancelled historically and a recent (undisclosed) deferment of interest payments due to the pandemic.

Sixth and finally, the data reveal also exposed the biggest hidden gap of all in most discussions of debt – whether by Zambia or other borrowers. What is still not well understood by Zambia’s citizens or the international community is perhaps the most important indicator of Zambia’s debt sustainability: What the loans are being spent on. As with the IMF’s Debt Sustainability Analysis (DSA), the data from the Zambian government said nothing about whether the loaned capital has been employed for recurrent or capital expenditures, nor whether it has been directed toward growth-inducing investment or interest repayments."

Zambia is most definitely not China's first colony.​

But it is a colony, ruled by the native politician surrogates that the British put in charge of the country at the time of self-rule in 1964. The people colonized are the villagers found within 288 chiefdoms. At independence in 1964, customary land made up 72% of the land area - the 28% being towns, protected areas for wildlife and forests, and settler landholdings. Today that land is reduced to 52% - sold off for industrial agriculture, mining and the like; and 22% of that commandeered for game management areas, originally intended to assist customary people but now used as a rent basket by the state and given out to various privatization schemes who lease out hunting-safari and tourism concessions and enforce their dictates through militarization and the imprisonment for 5 years of a villager found with game meat in his possession.

Nevertheless, the Chinese do continue to provide an illegal market for wildlife products. They started this in the early 1970s when they built the 1,160-mile Tanzam railway linking Kapiri Mposhi in Zambia with Dar es Salaam in Tanzania; cutting through an intact bit of Africa filled with elephant and black rhino. I was in charge of the area for the Game Department west of Mpika when they were constructing the line from 1973 to 1976. In a short time, they opened their doors for supplies of poached ivory and rhino horn - the rhino horn in particular. They helped set off the slaughter: 350,000 elephant reduced to 17,000; the rhino extinct by 1993 - my attempts to save them a failure because of the corruption in my old department. In October 1979 I had accompanied my friends, Bill Faeth and Sandra Longvall - who in 1977 had hunted lion by tracking with me in the Okovango - on what turned out to be the last legal rhino hunt in Zambia.

When living in Dar es Salaam (2012-2016) I read an article by David Smith of the Guardian, entitled Chinese Ivory Queen’ Charged with Smuggling 706 Elephant Tusks. This was the arrest of Yang Feng Glan, who started work on the Tazara railway back in 1972 and charged with the transport of 706 tusks from Tanzania to the far east. It was likely five times that amount.

Zambia is an internal colony, its colonizers assisted by the donors, the privatizers...and so on. Hunting-safaris fill an uncomfortable slot. This we have to change, not obliterate, by empowering truly Indigenous people.

The whole story is in God's Country. Volume I: (Plunderers of Eden) and Volume II: Guardians of Eden.

Ian Manning
 

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Pheroze,

I doubt that Zambia and Uganda's debt to China is expanding the latter's military footprint. For an excellent analysis of the Zambian situation read what chinastrategy.org had to say on 29 October 2021 in their article: "WHAT ZAMBIA'S NEW DEBT REVEAL TELLS US ABOUT THE 'CHINA DEBT TRAP' THEORY.

"Six key takeaways explain what we learned — and did not learn — from the data reveal about Zambia’s debt and the role of Chinese lending.

...Which brings me to the fifth takeaway – China’s lending to Zambia. It is not news that Zambia’s largest national creditor is China. The new data puts China’s total lending at $5.05 billion – equivalent to 30 percent of the total external debt and approximately 20 percent of Zambia’s GDP. However, contrary to the mainstream narrative and several past reports, this is no debt trap. Not only do other commercial lenders have more leverage on Zambia, but also close to 80 percent of China’s debt is low-interest, concessional finance from China’s development banks, such as EXIM China, whilst the remaining $948 million is held by a variety of commercial entities, including ICBC and Huawei. Moreover, the data revealed that Zambia’s Chinese lenders are diverse actors with heterogeneous approaches, intents, and goals. As such, they should not be conceptualized as one actor, just like loans from the British government cannot be (and are not) equated with lending from London’s financial sector. It is also relevant that to date China has been Zambia’s largest bilateral disburser of debt relief, with $259 million in debt cancelled historically and a recent (undisclosed) deferment of interest payments due to the pandemic.

Sixth and finally, the data reveal also exposed the biggest hidden gap of all in most discussions of debt – whether by Zambia or other borrowers. What is still not well understood by Zambia’s citizens or the international community is perhaps the most important indicator of Zambia’s debt sustainability: What the loans are being spent on. As with the IMF’s Debt Sustainability Analysis (DSA), the data from the Zambian government said nothing about whether the loaned capital has been employed for recurrent or capital expenditures, nor whether it has been directed toward growth-inducing investment or interest repayments."

Zambia is most definitely not China's first colony.​

But it is a colony, ruled by the native politician surrogates that the British put in charge of the country at the time of self-rule in 1964. The people colonized are the villagers found within 288 chiefdoms. At independence in 1964, customary land made up 72% of the land area - the 28% being towns, protected areas for wildlife and forests, and settler landholdings. Today that land is reduced to 52% - sold off for industrial agriculture, mining and the like; and 22% of that commandeered for game management areas, originally intended to assist customary people but now used as a rent basket by the state and given out to various privatization schemes who lease out hunting-safari and tourism concessions and enforce their dictates through militarization and the imprisonment for 5 years of a villager found with game meat in his possession.

Nevertheless, the Chinese do continue to provide an illegal market for wildlife products. They started this in the early 1970s when they built the 1,160-mile Tanzam railway linking Kapiri Mposhi in Zambia with Dar es Salaam in Tanzania; cutting through an intact bit of Africa filled with elephant and black rhino. I was in charge of the area for the Game Department west of Mpika when they were constructing the line from 1973 to 1976. In a short time, they opened their doors for supplies of poached ivory and rhino horn - the rhino horn in particular. They helped set off the slaughter: 350,000 elephant reduced to 17,000; the rhino extinct by 1993 - my attempts to save them a failure because of the corruption in my old department. In October 1979 I had accompanied my friends, Bill Faeth and Sandra Longvall - who in 1977 had hunted lion by tracking with me in the Okovango - on what turned out to be the last legal rhino hunt in Zambia.

When living in Dar es Salaam (2012-2016) I read an article by David Smith of the Guardian, entitled Chinese Ivory Queen’ Charged with Smuggling 706 Elephant Tusks. This was the arrest of Yang Feng Glan, who started work on the Tazara railway back in 1972 and charged with the transport of 706 tusks from Tanzania to the far east. It was likely five times that amount.

Zambia is an internal colony, its colonizers assisted by the donors, the privatizers...and so on. Hunting-safaris fill an uncomfortable slot. This we have to change, not obliterate, by empowering truly Indigenous people.

The whole story is in God's Country. Volume I: (Plunderers of Eden) and Volume II: Guardians of Eden.

Ian Manning
Thank you for your insight. My only comment is that any Chinese company is not truly independent as with the modern British companies. (Witness recent crackdown on several influential corporations). Interesting issues though as I believe Italy has signed on to this same financing initiative. And, with Sri Lanka, India cannot be comfortable with the situation. But your insight is fascinating. Thanks!
 

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Zambia became an "independent" country 57 years and one month ago. It's population was 3.5 million at the time. There are, as of yesterday, 19,100,000 people living in Zambia. All of the adults alive during the time of transition are dead. It might be time for Indigenous Zambians to accept some of the responsibility for the way things are.....instead of blaming "colonizers". And saying "Hunting safaris fill an uncomfortable slot" begs the question, who's discomfort? As long as liberal Northern Europeans continue to blame themselves, the corruption in Africa will continue unabated. It is truly the ultimate in racism to say effectively, "they can't help themselves, it's our fault." The good and the bad in Africa (and there is a lot of both) cannot all be laid at the feet of people who died a half a century ago.......FWB
 

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China has definitely used their leverage to further their industrial impact within Zambia, no doubt about that, but it is as bad or worse in several other countries.
There is a general feeling that the chinese are "colonizers" of sorts and there is a weariness about it. Although the financial gains through corrupt political practices have ensured that the chinese entities win contracts, favourable business conditions and key industries.

It is likely the same story through all african governments and sadly the chinese are very smart and sneaky with their approach in such that by the time the government realize what has happened, its too late.
 

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Why doesn't Zambia just borrow money from the USA to pay China then just not pay the USA. I mean it's not like sleazy Joe, I mean sleepy Joe is going to do anything about Zambia defaulting... ;):ROFLMAO::A Stirring: :A Stirring: :V Poke::V Poke::A Outta:
 

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Pheroze,

I doubt that Zambia and Uganda's debt to China is expanding the latter's military footprint. For an excellent analysis of the Zambian situation read what chinastrategy.org had to say on 29 October 2021 in their article: "WHAT ZAMBIA'S NEW DEBT REVEAL TELLS US ABOUT THE 'CHINA DEBT TRAP' THEORY.

"Six key takeaways explain what we learned — and did not learn — from the data reveal about Zambia’s debt and the role of Chinese lending.

...Which brings me to the fifth takeaway – China’s lending to Zambia. It is not news that Zambia’s largest national creditor is China. The new data puts China’s total lending at $5.05 billion – equivalent to 30 percent of the total external debt and approximately 20 percent of Zambia’s GDP. However, contrary to the mainstream narrative and several past reports, this is no debt trap. Not only do other commercial lenders have more leverage on Zambia, but also close to 80 percent of China’s debt is low-interest, concessional finance from China’s development banks, such as EXIM China, whilst the remaining $948 million is held by a variety of commercial entities, including ICBC and Huawei. Moreover, the data revealed that Zambia’s Chinese lenders are diverse actors with heterogeneous approaches, intents, and goals. As such, they should not be conceptualized as one actor, just like loans from the British government cannot be (and are not) equated with lending from London’s financial sector. It is also relevant that to date China has been Zambia’s largest bilateral disburser of debt relief, with $259 million in debt cancelled historically and a recent (undisclosed) deferment of interest payments due to the pandemic.

Sixth and finally, the data reveal also exposed the biggest hidden gap of all in most discussions of debt – whether by Zambia or other borrowers. What is still not well understood by Zambia’s citizens or the international community is perhaps the most important indicator of Zambia’s debt sustainability: What the loans are being spent on. As with the IMF’s Debt Sustainability Analysis (DSA), the data from the Zambian government said nothing about whether the loaned capital has been employed for recurrent or capital expenditures, nor whether it has been directed toward growth-inducing investment or interest repayments."

Zambia is most definitely not China's first colony.​

But it is a colony, ruled by the native politician surrogates that the British put in charge of the country at the time of self-rule in 1964. The people colonized are the villagers found within 288 chiefdoms. At independence in 1964, customary land made up 72% of the land area - the 28% being towns, protected areas for wildlife and forests, and settler landholdings. Today that land is reduced to 52% - sold off for industrial agriculture, mining and the like; and 22% of that commandeered for game management areas, originally intended to assist customary people but now used as a rent basket by the state and given out to various privatization schemes who lease out hunting-safari and tourism concessions and enforce their dictates through militarization and the imprisonment for 5 years of a villager found with game meat in his possession.

Nevertheless, the Chinese do continue to provide an illegal market for wildlife products. They started this in the early 1970s when they built the 1,160-mile Tanzam railway linking Kapiri Mposhi in Zambia with Dar es Salaam in Tanzania; cutting through an intact bit of Africa filled with elephant and black rhino. I was in charge of the area for the Game Department west of Mpika when they were constructing the line from 1973 to 1976. In a short time, they opened their doors for supplies of poached ivory and rhino horn - the rhino horn in particular. They helped set off the slaughter: 350,000 elephant reduced to 17,000; the rhino extinct by 1993 - my attempts to save them a failure because of the corruption in my old department. In October 1979 I had accompanied my friends, Bill Faeth and Sandra Longvall - who in 1977 had hunted lion by tracking with me in the Okovango - on what turned out to be the last legal rhino hunt in Zambia.

When living in Dar es Salaam (2012-2016) I read an article by David Smith of the Guardian, entitled Chinese Ivory Queen’ Charged with Smuggling 706 Elephant Tusks. This was the arrest of Yang Feng Glan, who started work on the Tazara railway back in 1972 and charged with the transport of 706 tusks from Tanzania to the far east. It was likely five times that amount.

Zambia is an internal colony, its colonizers assisted by the donors, the privatizers...and so on. Hunting-safaris fill an uncomfortable slot. This we have to change, not obliterate, by empowering truly Indigenous people.

The whole story is in God's Country. Volume I: (Plunderers of Eden) and Volume II: Guardians of Eden.

Ian Manning

Hi Ian just wondering when you were last here in zambia?...
 

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When I left Zambia in September 2000 they were not liked back then. I'd say they are pretty much despised right now. I have friends and family all over Zambia that send me vids etc of how they treat the locals. Shocking does not adequately describe it. Can't think of a single thing to come out of China that is worth the hassle of having China existing.
 

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When I left Zambia in September 2000 they were not liked back then. I'd say they are pretty much despised right now. I have friends and family all over Zambia that send me vids etc of how they treat the locals. Shocking does not adequately describe it. Can't think of a single thing to come out of China that is worth the hassle of having China existing.

I was being understated....so glad you brought all that up...yeah if you think how they treat their own people....not great how they treat others especially out here.....have seen some of the videos....and yeah can't stand them...arrogant shits...and they allover the country....
 

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This is the debt owed....when the new government took over they discovered a big chunk more than was known about...

 

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My late dad knew a thing or two about the Chinese as he spent some time in and around that area during WWII while serving in the Merchant Marine.
He told us years ago these words, "the Chinese are smart, hard working, devious bastards and will rule the world one day".
Were he alive today he would be saying, "told ya so".
 

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Should have made China a parking lot a long time ago, and it may well had happened except for greedy politicians.
 

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On road to airport there is a big new advertising banner for one of the Chinese companies.....all lettering in big Chinese script...with small English words underneath each line....if you don't look carefully you would think its just Chinese....plenty of adverts on roadsides with Chinese as one of the languages used ....saw one lot by one of the banks and that was only in Chinese....they are into everything here...mining....shops...farming...construction from massive developments to small building operations...etc etc etc....
 

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On road to airport there is a big new advertising banner for one of the Chinese companies.....all lettering in big Chinese script...with small English words underneath each line....if you don't look carefully you would think its just Chinese....plenty of adverts on roadsides with Chinese as one of the languages used ....saw one lot by one of the banks and that was only in Chinese....they are into everything here...mining....shops...farming...construction from massive developments to small building operations...etc etc etc....
Which dialect are you planning to learn.......?
 

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