If you want to shoot dangerous game..

[steve white]

Depends. We always envision the best case scenario and imagine that we will come out of it unscathed with no surprises and nothing bad happening. My uncle ran into a guy out on the trail in Alaska who had just started hunting AGAIN after two years. Why? He had lost his nerve after he took an unrushed shot at an oncoming Grizzly and came down out of recoil, jacked in another shell and looked again through the scope--just as the bear ran by him on his right!!! He didn't think it possible for the bear to cover the amount of ground it did, as quickly as it did. He considered it a potentially fatal error, and it scared the Hell out of him. How many people, out of inexperience or disbelief are going to make a critical error? Then pure luck is the margin, and your life is the gamble. Mother Nature will collect on bad wagers.

Another individual thought it would be the romantic ideal to stop a charging buffalo such that it slid to a dusty stop at his feet. He was immediately chastised severely by those experienced hunters who told him that they had seen buffalo take 17 shots before falling, later found to have pulverized hearts, to boot. Told him that he was on a fool's errand; as Don Heath described, "fools, who will pay with their lives."

We all decide how much margin we need to come out alive. TBH, some folks need more than others, even if they don't recognize it. Sometimes we are wise enough to listen to our PH's take on it.
Sure I want the rush--just without the grave.

 

[farmer_john]

The most micro-managed area in the entire sport, why?

Because Human life is more important than <insert literally anything here>.

The entire car is designed around decreasing risk & increasing safety for the driver whilst simultaneously being competitive on the race track.

EDIT: When someone dies in an F1 race after all is done and dusted the engineers immediately reverse engineer the "How" and then re-engineer the "Cause" so that it doesn't fail again or if it does, fails in a 'safer for the driver' way that doesn't lead to injury / loss of life.

EDIT EDIT: You either have a very black & white POV on life or you're being deliberately ignorant.

im not talking about the racing. take 2 ferarris put an avg 25 year old and a F1 driver let them drive wide open on a highway. who is more likely to wreck?
not trying to get into the weeds about the sport of F1 only the skillset of the driver vs a average person. you can cookie cutter that to apply to whatever activity you want.

I do have a very black and white POV. We are all dying cannot escape it. So why worry its going to happen when its supposed to happen.

 

[Betamon]

Depends. We always envision the best case scenario and imagine that we will come out of it unscathed with no surprises and nothing bad happening. My uncle ran into a guy out on the trail in Alaska who had just started hunting AGAIN after two years. Why? He had lost his nerve after he took an unrushed shot at an oncoming Grizzly and came down out of recoil, jacked in another shell and looked again through the scope--just as the bear ran by him on his right!!! He didn't think it possible for the bear to cover the amount of ground it did, as quickly as it did. He considered it a potentially fatal error, and it scared the Hell out of him. How many people, out of inexperience or disbelief are going to make a critical error? Then pure luck is the margin, and your life is the gamble. Mother Nature will collect on bad wagers.

Another individual thought it would be the romantic ideal to stop a charging buffalo such that it slid to a dusty stop at his feet. He was immediately chastised severely by those experienced hunters who told him that they had seen buffalo take 17 shots before falling, later found to have pulverized hearts, to boot. Told him that he was on a fool's errand; as Don Heath described, "fools, who will pay with their lives."

We all decide how much margin we need to come out alive. TBH, some folks need more than others, even if they don't recognize it. Sometimes we are wise enough to listen to our PH's take on it.
Sure I want the rush--just without the grave.

Wanting the thrill is one thing, but respecting the reality is what keeps you breathing.

 

[coreydb]

Handling a corpse is surreal......one can do dumb things in a smart, well-thought out way and do it again and again. Do it once without thinking things through and it will only be done once.

 

[farmer_john]

Handling a corpse is surreal......one can do dumb things in a smart, well-thought out way and do it again and again. Do it once without thinking things through and it will only be done once.

Ive never felt one way or other about it. Just curious about why you feel that way?

 

[coreydb]

Ive never felt one way or other about it. Just curious about why you feel that way?

Just my own experiences and first-hand tragedies. Everyone acts and reacts differently, ALL are sad.

 

[farmer_john]

Just my own experiences and first-hand tragedies. Everyone acts and reacts differently, ALL are sad.

I Understand. And dont need to elaborate. Ive been around it most my adult life but when it involves those close to me it still bothers me.

 

[Nevada Mike]

Who is the Evil Kinevil of DG hunting?

 

[Kharn]

Who is the Evel Knievel of DG hunting?

Probably this guy?

 

[double rifle newbie]

Depends. We always envision the best case scenario and imagine that we will come out of it unscathed with no surprises and nothing bad happening. My uncle ran into a guy out on the trail in Alaska who had just started hunting AGAIN after two years. Why? He had lost his nerve after he took an unrushed shot at an oncoming Grizzly and came down out of recoil, jacked in another shell and looked again through the scope--just as the bear ran by him on his right!!! He didn't think it possible for the bear to cover the amount of ground it did, as quickly as it did. He considered it a potentially fatal error, and it scared the Hell out of him. How many people, out of inexperience or disbelief are going to make a critical error? Then pure luck is the margin, and your life is the gamble. Mother Nature will collect on bad wagers.

Another individual thought it would be the romantic ideal to stop a charging buffalo such that it slid to a dusty stop at his feet. He was immediately chastised severely by those experienced hunters who told him that they had seen buffalo take 17 shots before falling, later found to have pulverized hearts, to boot. Told him that he was on a fool's errand; as Don Heath described, "fools, who will pay with their lives."

We all decide how much margin we need to come out alive. TBH, some folks need more than others, even if they don't recognize it. Sometimes we are wise enough to listen to our PH's take on it.
Sure I want the rush--just without the grave.

yep griz can cover 100 yards in 6 seconds. thatll get u maybe 3 good shots with a bolt action if its a true charge.

 

[double rifle newbie]

Probably this guy?

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ive read that Sullivan intentionally induced charges a lot of the time. no thank you. if i remember right he favored a heym 577 NE double.

 

[Kharn]

yep griz can cover 100 yards in 6 seconds. thatll get u maybe 3 good shots with a bolt action if its a true charge.

There's a brilliant video on YouTube from 'Stuck n the Rut' that shows how swiftly a Grizzly Bear can cover ground.

A couple were hunting a Grizzly and located one at I believe just over 500yrds and the guy took the shot whilst his wife/partner/gf was spotting, the bear took two hits, the first didn't even phase it, the second just made it rise from its resting place and then, slowly with no rush or aggression it started walking.........towards them.

The bear disappeared beneath a low hill but still heading towards them, so the couple abandoned their position and ditched a bunch of their gear and fell back, bear walked right over their gear without stopping, kept coming to them where they fell back too, the guy ended up shooting the bear with his Casull 454 Pistol at around 5yards or so.

 

[double rifle newbie]

There's a brilliant video on YouTube from 'Stuck n the Rut' that shows how swiftly a Grizzly Bear can cover ground.

A couple were hunting a Grizzly and located one at I believe just over 500yrds and the guy took the shot whilst his wife/partner/gf was spotting, the bear took two hits, the first didn't even phase it, the second just made it rise from its resting place and then, slowly with no rush or aggression it started walking.........towards them.

The bear disappeared beneath a low hill but still heading towards them, so the couple abandoned their position and ditched a bunch of their gear and fell back, bear walked right over their gear without stopping, kept coming to them where they fell back too, the guy ended up shooting the bear with his Casull 454 Pistol at around 5yards or so.

There's a brilliant video on YouTube from 'Stuck n the Rut' that shows how swiftly a Grizzly Bear can cover ground.

A couple were hunting a Grizzly and located one at I believe just over 500yrds and the guy took the shot whilst his wife/partner/gf was spotting, the bear took two hits, the first didn't even phase it, the second just made it rise from its resting place and then, slowly with no rush or aggression it started walking.........towards them.

The bear disappeared beneath a low hill but still heading towards them, so the couple abandoned their position and ditched a bunch of their gear and fell back, bear walked right over their gear without stopping, kept coming to them where they fell back too, the guy ended up shooting the bear with his Casull 454 Pistol at around 5yards or so.

i saw that video! perfect example of what not to do when hunting DG, especially taking shots that far.

 

[Creigh]

There's a brilliant video on YouTube from 'Stuck n the Rut' that shows how swiftly a Grizzly Bear can cover ground.

A couple were hunting a Grizzly and located one at I believe just over 500yrds and the guy took the shot whilst his wife/partner/gf was spotting, the bear took two hits, the first didn't even phase it, the second just made it rise from its resting place and then, slowly with no rush or aggression it started walking.........towards them.

The bear disappeared beneath a low hill but still heading towards them, so the couple abandoned their position and ditched a bunch of their gear and fell back, bear walked right over their gear without stopping, kept coming to them where they fell back too, the guy ended up shooting the bear with his Casull 454 Pistol at around 5yards or so.

I had to find this video and it did not disappoint. For someone who lives in South Africa, I am mesmerised by brown bear. If I had a dream hunt it would be it. I might be too old for it now. I imagine that's the way Americans feel about Buffalo. I've walked past Buffalo in the bush and it's probably my spirit animal tbh but nothing compares to this bear IMO.

 

[Kharn]

I had to find this video and it did not disappoint. For someone who lives in South Africa, I am mesmerised by brown bear. If I had a dream hunt it would be it. I might be too old for it now. I imagine that's the way Americans feel about Buffalo. I've walked past Buffalo in the bush and it's probably my spirit animal tbh but nothing compares to this bear IMO.

Yeah that's the video, it's ominous the way the bear advances towards them so casually.

 

[SStomcat]

Hunting dangerous game in rough terrain with a pistol? Yeah… that’s not my cup of tea. Call it thrill, excitement, or pure adrenaline if you want — I just call it a catastrophe patiently waiting for its turn.

 

[Kharn]

Hunting dangerous game in rough terrain with a pistol? Yeah… that’s not my cup of tea. Call it thrill, excitement, or pure adrenaline if you want — I just call it a catastrophe patiently waiting for its turn.

That pistol was more of a "backup self defense weapon" which in this case was really handy to have, the rifle started to malfunction in the video as well if I recall correctly so the pistol was the last resort 'Hail Mary'.

 

[Creigh]

That pistol was more of a "backup self defense weapon" which in this case was really handy to have, the rifle started to malfunction in the video as well if I recall correctly so the pistol was the last resort 'Hail Mary'.

First, while using the rifle, the primer blew out of the case on a hot load and lodged in the space where the lug needs to go.
Second, they start running because the ridge was 20 feet in front of them and they would have no time to react once the bear came over the ridge. While running, the pistol falls out. When he realized that, they start looking around and just happened to see the handle of the pistol sticking out the snow.
Third, he misses the first shot which mean he had four left. On the last round he had, the bear changed direction. They heard it slide down the mountain and it died.

Absolutely wild.

 

[AZDAVE]

These kinda threads are always interesting.

My school of hard knocks has been difficult and interesting. i have been told that I have no filter on my adventure gene. I do a risk assessment based on my skills and abilities. then plan life as I go along.

In my life I have know many more people who are risk adverse and always said I will do that after I retire. We they had done never stepped outside their comfort zone there whole life and after they retired never did any of the things they said they would do or visit places they dreamed of. ETC

Life is meant to be lived not just existed in my opinion.

I don't tell folks how to live theirs and if they think they should tell me how I should live They will most likely get the look I reserve for the proverbial village idiot and a good hearty belly laugh and I walk away shaking my head.

 

[SStomcat]

Here is where I take exception; they sure made a thrilling video, and perhaps that was the intention to begin with. Reminds me of Mark S.