CBL Banned??

[Huntforever]

Has there been any additional movement on the banning of CBL’s. The last article i saw was in July 2025.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

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[cwpayton]

Forgive my ignorance, what is CBL'S , Citizens broadcast license, Oh wait , cage born lions ?

 

[steve white]

If they are feeding themselves in a wild setting by running down wild game, I think it would take some of the sting out of doing it? No Clarence's please.

 

[Killingtime]

SA still does them

 

[Philip Glass]

They (captive bred lions) are still legal to hunt in RSA but not exportable to the US.

 

[Huntforever]

There was talk about it being banned soon. Was sure it the animal rights have made progress.
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Most people can’t afford a 100k lion hunt so this is what we can afford. You can leave your judgements at the door. Hunters against Hunters love it.

 

[Huntforever]

I’m surprised no one has posted any updates on SA trying to ban or stop the hunts

 

[Kharn]

Hunters against Hunters love it.

That's the goal of the left / anti.
Turn Hunter against Hunter.
It's worked AMAZINGLY well...

...In my country.
Division came about through 'CLASS' [extremists & casuals]...
The minority Extremists made the majority Casuals routinely uncomfortable/unwanted because...
The minority Extremists are collectively louder than the majority Casuals because...
The Casuals are just present for casual commitments whilst the Extremists are present because "Firearms ARE their entire identity & the true meaning of life".

The casuals slowly trickled out of the hobby for numerous reasons including being routinely berated & belittled by their "fellow" hunters [Extremists] for not being 'extreme' enough, some of the smallest and most PATHETIC arguments have led to people leaving the hobby completely because they just KEEP being confronted by it, deliberately.

A lot of the Extremists viewed this as positive because Less hunters hunting means more for the hunters hunting..........?(morons)

This all resulted in a far smaller community that is far weaker & now dominated by Extremists that are viewed from the outside as a "suspicious & paranoid niche group of maniacs" that is easily dominated by local & federal governments & animal rights activism, due to how few now partake & how alienated they made themselves.

Some of the most selfish & jealous people I have ever had the displeasure of knowing are hunters & their selfish & jealous nature is most apparent when... they're hunting.
Some of the most generous & selfless people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing are hunters & their generous & selfless nature is most apparent when... they're hunting.

 

[dchum]

If they are feeding themselves in a wild setting by running down wild game, I think it would take some of the sting out of doing it? No Clarence's please.

Your inventory getting eaten is bad for business…

Releasing a specific animal from captivity just to be hunted isn’t really a hunt, in my opinion.

Has anyone ever booked a CBL hunt and gone home without killing one? It’s harvesting.

The usual rebuttal is that South African operations release antelope too and nobody complains about that. The difference is that on good operations those antelopes are part of self sustaining populations. They reproduce, create multiple generation on the land, and actually live and interact naturally.

The CBL system isn’t that in the slightest.

Some people just want to check a box it seems… conservation and a true wildlife experience be damned! A bucket list animal that they will kill by any means.

There is no conservation fullcircle moment in the CBL system. Theirs is no romance to it. It just feels wrong.

I guess to some that view point makes me a leftist anti hunter? Not reality but oh well.

 

[Major Bonkers]

I have not done it, and I have some qualms about the process. But I have met someone who did it.

His take was that the lion reverted to type within two weeks, itself hunting naturally (the party came across the lion's own kills whilst hunting it), and the lion was de facto indistinguishable from a wholly wild animal.

The other argument in favour of the monetisation of lions - pay to cuddle the cute kittens! pay to gawp at the majestic king of the beasts! pay to hunt an old lion! - is that it actually increases the number of lion in existence, and their genetic diversity.

The real difficulty comes where an unscrupulous operator plants a sedated lion and invites bids.

There is an old Soviet story about some Eastern European dictator - Ceauşescu? - going on a bear hunt, and the local forester being pressured to ensure a big trophy. The forester goes off to arrange matters; the hunting party settles in the hide; and half-an-hour later the bear - procured from the circus - comes into the glade... riding a bicycle.

 

[Charlie64]

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The thread has digressed a few degrees from the OP into the spectrum of ethics & morals in CBL hunting. So allow me to come in here with a few lines of my experiences.

I had done both - a RSA CB lioness & a free ranging lioness. The one cost $ 6.000/- & the other you can add another zero to with a 2 at the front.

The RSA hunt I insisted on walking / tracking from the gate, carrying a Krieghoff .375 & iron sights & I wanted to shoot from withing 30 meters. We were 2 PHs, 2 trackers, my wife & I. We picnic'd in the veld & were out all day. Day 2 around 4 pm we tracked up on a lioness (approx 6 years) & I shot her with both barrels at about 20 meters.

The other hunt, I shot the lioness over a bait on day 2 in the early evening out of a blind at about 75 m with a scoped 9,3x62.

I know which one I would do again.

I have always believed that if it is legal & rocks your boat then do it. So much of today`s hunting is behind fences whether in Africa or the USA or Europe.

Would I hunt a CBL again, sure I would, same way I shoot reared pheasant & partridge in the UK or plains game on farms in RSA & Namibia. I also get a rush out of DG in Zim & Zambia. Would I hunt a lion in Zim ? I would love to, but that would be a huge chunk of $s out of my hunting budget for the next years!

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[Foxi]

Has there been any additional movement on the banning of CBL’s. The last article i saw was in July 2025.

they banned it.
2028 its over.

 

[Charlie64]

they banned it.
2028 its over.

Where are you getting this from ? Seeing nothing on the internet other than Ministerial discussions from mid 2025, planning on banning new facilities & cub petting operations & the like. Nothing on an outright ban in hunting CBL.

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[375Fox]

they banned it.
2028 its over.

I’m very curious your source as well. I don’t think it will ever be banned. It’s getting banned in 2 years every 2 years it seems.
If it goes quiet, but not banned, I’ll be content with the compromise. I don’t see it advertised and don’t see hunting reports. No discussions about it here. There’s nothing to fight over. It’s been a better forum without the arguments over this practice.

 

[Jhsmith]

It’s no different than planting pheasants on a pheasant farm.
I don’t see any benefit in giving the anti-hunters any victory.

 

[dchum]

It’s no different than planting pheasants on a pheasant farm.
I don’t see any benefit in giving the anti-hunters any victory.

That’s another common rebuttal. Fair point

I see it as this - Because every hunters whole mantra when they do a safari is and should be that they are participating in the conservation of wildlife. That should be our goal as the hunting fraternity.

I don’t see conservation or the keeping of wildlife wild when a CBL is conducted.

 

[Charlie64]

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Just been online to a number of RSA outfitters, feedback was that they have not heard anything on a ban.

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[Jhsmith]

That’s another common rebuttal. Fair point

I see it as this - Because every hunters whole mantra when they do a safari is and should be that they are participating in the conservation of wildlife. That should be our goal as the hunting fraternity.

I don’t see conservation or the keeping of wildlife wild when a CBL is conducted.

Be careful of the slippery slope.
The anti hunters are happy with one victory at a time.

 

[375Fox]

It’s no different than planting pheasants on a pheasant farm.
I don’t see any benefit in giving the anti-hunters any victory.

Except pheasant shooting isn’t tied in with cub petting and the Asian bone trade. It’s officially opposed by every hunting organization except PHASA that profits from it.

This should be a victory for hunting to separate this dishonest industry from hunting. It’s unfortunate the cheaper it got the more supporters it received.