Bertram 410gr for .416

[PeteG]

Hi guys,
long story short, i am heading down to South Africa as I do every few months, hence a visit to one of my favourite stores is in order.
I'm looking around at "stuff" and I see Bertram 410gr bullets for sale for the 416...
I don't know a whole lot about Bertram and I am struggling to find info on the bullets, so my question is what type of bullet is the Bertram 410gr SP?
What type of construction is it? What would it be likened to?
It is half the price of the Woodleigh 410gr RNSN.
Here is the link
http://www.safariandoutdoor.co.za/subcategory/bullets_rifle

Cheers

 

[ChrisG]

I had only ever heard of bertram producing brass. Maybe its the same company and they market bullets in other parts of the world. The brass quality from what I can tell is hit and miss but in most cases they are the only game in town that produces obsolete stuff. Not sure if it is the same company or not. Midway carries their brass.

 

[PeteG]

I can find info about their brass, but nothing about the type of bullets.
I can find Bertram bullets for the .333 as well, which is hard enough to find anything for at the moment, so i was hopeful that their bullets would be something decent.
They do 180gr and 250gr for the .333 on the same website, although not in stock at the moment!

 

[fsrmg1]

Speaking from experience, beware! I bought some Bertram 9.3 projectiles and the quality control is all over the place. Some where a couple thousand under, other a couple thousand over. There was up to 0.002" runout and the cannelure was all over the place and even missing on some, same with weight.

To get around these, I had to visually inspect and weigh them. I placed them in groups and ran them all through a Lee .365" sizing die. This cut back on the size variation and at least made them round. Since I use a Lee factory crimp die, I just ignore the cannelure. I got them to shoot acceptably, but had to waste a lot of time and effort that I shouldn't have.

If you're into experiments and challenges, they might be for you. As for me, I'll pay extra and get something proven next time. Value for $$$ is more important than the bottom line.

 

[PeteG]

thanks for the info.
based on the lack of data around for the bullets and the comments made about their q.c. i will give their stuff a skip.
im not a great fan of taking the odd chance on ammo and the like...
cheers

 

[spike.t]

thanks for the info.
based on the lack of data around for the bullets and the comments made about their q.c. i will give their stuff a skip.
im not a great fan of taking the odd chance on ammo and the like...
cheers

.....i was hoping to have some fun watching you try a few out................

 

[Rule 303]

When I spoke with Bruce Bertram about his 416 cal. bullets he said they are not a premium bullet. For use on everything up to scrub bull-domestic cattle gone wild- and not to be used on Buffalo or anything with tough, thick skin and heavy muscle. So for practice, they shoot to the same point of impact in my 416 Rigby as the Woodleigh's, od hunting lighter game they are ok. I hit a 40kg pig in the southern end and the bullet split it open all the way to the rib cage. Sorry didn't look to see if it exited, I doubt it.

 

[PeteG]

.....i was hoping to have some fun watching you try a few out................

right...

When I spoke with Bruce Bertram about his 416 cal. bullets he said they are not a premium bullet. For use on everything up to scrub bull-domestic cattle gone wild- and not to be used on Buffalo or anything with tough, thick skin and heavy muscle. So for practice, they shoot to the same point of impact in my 416 Rigby as the Woodleigh's, od hunting lighter game they are ok. I hit a 40kg pig in the southern end and the bullet split it open all the way to the rib cage. Sorry didn't look to see if it exited, I doubt it.

thats not good at all!! think im sticking with either woodleighs or a-frames.

 

[Excessexpress]

Brass quality has improved quite a bit, as has consistency. The bullets are definitely not premium, but like the brass can be the only game in town unless you want to go with nothing but premium.

 

[Rule 303]

I have found Bertram brass to be of good quality. I use his seconds in my 416 Rigby and no problems with them. Bertram make Rhino and Kynoch brass. I have picked this brass up directly from Bertram. So in my Rigby I use Bertram brass and Woodleigh bullets for most animals and Bertram bullets for smaller animals. Nothing like shooting a feral cat with a 416 Rigby

 

[Rule 303]

In my previous post I forgot to mention that Bertram bullets in the 416 work very well on camels.
I can not figure out how to add to my previous post so a new post.