Are these European trophies any good?

[IvW]

28 1/2 inch

 

[IvW]

I mean on first picture the two Roebucks rigt of the Gemsbuck....

 

[mark-hunter]

It is hard to say for first, it is very big, and i fail to see one point on his right antler. Due to size, (compared to lower one) it may even not be the same species. To me it looks by size to be siberian roe buck. (again, i can be wrong, judging only by what photo looks like).
Lower one, is smaller in size, to me loks 3-4 years old european roe, without significant growth of his typical six points. So, i would say managment roe, without trophy value., to be removed from gene pool.

Red stag, if from continental europe, asimetrical in horn, lower quality of antler (estimated cca 130-140 cic) i would consider managment deer, to be removed from gene pool.

For chamois i cannot say.

 

[IvW]

Thanks for the feedback I will be looking at them tomorrow and I have no clue with regards to size or quality.

So the big stag horns are from a Red stag? The shape look all wrong for Red stag but the long fronts make it difficult for me to decide what it is, according to owner was hunted in 1935.....he talks of an Austrian deer.....so I remain confused....

They look very cool to me as I know not much about European trophy's

 

[Opposite Pole]

Yeah, it’s European Red. The small Roe antlers are non trophy, management specimen , the large one, although really quite large is by the look of it a 2x3 and as such in many places would also classify as management. The entire skull is quite large so I think @mark-hunter is right that it might be Siberian Roe. They were introduced in some places in Europe but have blended in or died out by now.

 

[Red Leg]

Germans, Austrians, and middle European hunters have traditionally taken far more effort to take out of the gene pool deer with little in the way of development potential as true trophy animals. A two year old (maybe even three in this case) with spikes like the one in the picture is always a prime target to be removed. The other roe in most areas would be a quality deer, but also high on the list to be taken. He is either a six or a five and if the later, probably why he was a good choice for the shooting plan. His antlers may even have been starting to recede. It is hard to be certain of age without seeing the animal. So, he is ideal in many ways - a nice trophy and a good management choice.

I agree with the others, that is management red stag. I have one very similar (class IIIB) in my trophy room from Germany.

 

[VertigoBE]

With my limited knowledge, I would agree with @mark-hunter 's estimation. The top roedeer is actually quite a nice specimen, but not massive. And from the picture it does seem like there is a point missing on its' right antler. The lower one is definitely management roebuck (a daguet in French, or Spitzer in German)

The red stag and the chamois I cannot place however. The red stag does look young but not less impressive for that matter.

 

[IvW]

Correction the large one was shot in 1938 not 1935

Thanks for the feedback seems the person has a substantial trophy room so I will see what else he have.

Apparently 3 Roe deer, I like the European ones and might buy them to add to my man cave, I think they are real cool....

If it is a Red stag it is small but the horns look real cool and unusual.....

Price is cheap so I will see......

 

[IvW]

what is considered big for Chamois? 9"?

 

[IvW]

US 20 for Roe bucks
US 26 for the Chamois
US 80 for the Red stag

 

[mark-hunter]

Good price! Go for it.

 

[IvW]

There are also some fallow bucks with long antlers but no palmation so I think this was originally a German hunter who take these trophy's as age and management seemed to be preferred to size....

I will try to get the story behind the trophy's tomorrow.....

My type of hunter.....

Thanks for the feedback I appreciate as i know nothing on this topic.....

 

[IvW]

What are the chances that the big one is a Sambar deer?
I cannot find any red deer antlers that look the same unless this is a very small red deer?

 

[Opposite Pole]

Sambar is very different, and not in Europe. This is Red, not typical but not all that unusual either.

 

[IvW]

Ok well there that goes, after I made arrangements to view tomorrow the price was promptly increased by 50%......

So I politely to him to f...off and find another buyer......

 

[mark-hunter]

The red deer antlers in question look, very light, whitish in color. It could be maybe due to age of trophy, when was shot, or it could be shot early in the season with some velvet still on.
As for shape (missing a point above the lowest one, not sure how it is called in english) it is in my country typical for red deer from the hills. (as opposed to ladger and stronger deer from plains.)
So, with general shape it reminds me for Scotish red stag, which is not too strong in trophy size. I am not saying this for the fact, just sharing some thoughts. But it could be the red deer shit in woods in high hills of scitland, or even germany, or somewhere in europe.

 

[R.M.C.]

Ok well there that goes, after I made arrangements to view tomorrow the price was promptly increased by 50%......

So I politely to him to f...off and find another buyer......

Yep I love when that happens.

 

[IvW]

But it could be the red deer shit in woods in high hills

I sure hope they do trying that on the freeway may be dangerous....

Thanks for the info appreciated...

 

[pimes]

Are you sure that the stag is an European red stag ? Trophy looks like one of an Schomburgk-stag which is extinct in 1930/1940 ... (the last one died 1938 in a zoo = maybe the trophy is out of a zoo or deerpark) but if it's a Schomburgk = so you have a realy rare trophy!!!

... about roe deer is everythig writen in the previous post's
The chamois = looks like a 5 year old male - lower/medium trophy sice +/- 85 CiC-Points

 

[pimes]

Thanks for the feedback I will be looking at them tomorrow and I have no clue with regards to size or quality.

So the big stag horns are from a Red stag? The shape look all wrong for Red stag but the long fronts make it difficult for me to decide what it is, according to owner was hunted in 1935.....he talks of an Austrian deer.....so I remain confused....

They look very cool to me as I know not much about European trophy's

... for me (Austrian ProfHunter) it's deffinately no European stag!!!