A Simple Question RE: The RUGER Hawkeye African in 9.3x62mm...

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So how do the govt/customs or whoever check your bullets energy? Are you required to provide load data or shoot at a gun range?

If not and at the risk of sounding facetious then does it really matter?
Well the first example that comes to mind would be if you wound a buffalo or elephant and your PH gets killed following it up. In that case I think your gun and ammo could be confiscated and checked. Might get you in a World of trouble and not sure of Zimbabwe laws but I suspect in the US you could be charged with a minimum of involuntary manslaughter.
 

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Zimbabwean Law states that the calibre must be larger than 9,2 mm or .362 in and must have energy of 5,4 kJ or more (3909 ft/lbs) for elephant/buffalo/hippo. Lion would need 7mm(.275 in) calibre and 4,3 kJ (3172 ft/lbs) Leopard 7mm and 2213 ft/lbs. These are minimum legal calibre and energy. I believe that a 9.3 x 62 can make the energy with judicious handloads but I think most factory ammo falls short of energy for buffalo and elephant. Lion and leopard are legal with most factory ammo.

For a 24" Bbl'ed 9.3x62?

3909 lb-ft of ME - is a 286 gr. bullet @ 2481 fps, or a 300 gr. bullet @ 2423 fps.

A very top load at ~ 60K psi. (and a stouter bullet than the NP)


The spec was probably inclusive of the heavier 9.3x64mm Brenneke and 9.3x74R loads, but the 9.3x62 is do-able.




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Well the first example that comes to mind would be if you wound a buffalo or elephant and your PH gets killed following it up. In that case I think your gun and ammo could be confiscated and checked. Might get you in a World of trouble and not sure of Zimbabwe laws but I suspect in the US you could be charged with a minimum of involuntary manslaughter.
For a US citizen I guess that's a possibility albeit an extremely slim one.

From my experience with the range of calibres I've seen people use I feel a ph is more likely to be in a position of having to follow up wounded big game from a guy flinching with his hand canon than a guy that can thread a 9.3 round through the eye of a needle that's shooting a few ft/lbs below the minimum.
 

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So how do the govt/customs or whoever check your bullets energy? Are you required to provide load data or shoot at a gun range?

If not and at the risk of sounding facetious then does it really matter?
I agree, probably unlikely that you would be checked but everyone in Zim will assume that your loads do not make the legal energy requirement unless you can prove it. There are well respected people who would check your reloads over a chrono at the gunrange but I am pretty sure that you would pay more than a 375 rifle before you were done. National Parks could very easily pick it up because 9,3 is NOT legal. Bring a downloaded 375 or larger and I am pretty sure you are right that no one will check. That is just the way the cookie crumbles !
 

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I agree, probably unlikely that you would be checked but everyone in Zim will assume that your loads do not make the legal energy requirement unless you can prove it. There are well respected people who would check your reloads over a chrono at the gunrange but I am pretty sure that you would pay more than a 375 rifle before you were done. National Parks could very easily pick it up because 9,3 is NOT legal. Bring a downloaded 375 or larger and I am pretty sure you are right that no one will check. That is just the way the cookie crumbles !

Maybe bring your $100 SHOOTING CHRONY and a pocket calculator in your kit?





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Recoil is recoil. Foot lbs are foot lbs. I love it when guys say its not "noticeable"o_O:confused:. Of course its noticeable!:eek: Doesn't mean you go home bruised and bleeding after a range session, but its noticeable allright. The recoil from my .303 British with steel buttplate is noticeable I will tell you:eek: and that kicks a lot less than the 9.3's do! I have owned and extensively loaded for and shot lots of 9.3 loads, and with top loads you are going to "notice" the recoil unless you are just numb from the neck up!;);)
 

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I use 9,3 x 62. This is very good caliber for dangerous game. It's forgotten caliber for a dangerous game in Africa.
9,3 x 62 slowly regains place among calibers for a dangerous game.
I use cartridges from Norma and from RWS.
 

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