35 Whelen

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Can you get that speed out of the 358? It’s slower than your 35w right?

@Flbt
Easy to get it out of a 358 if'n you runn a Whelen reamer they it
Paco Kelly has some potent loads for the 358.
@Rick HOlbert gets a tad over 2,500 fps with a 225gn Woodleigh round nose and that load punches big hole in PG.
Bob

 

[leslie hetrick]

I have not had that problem with brass - I use Lake City for military rifles ( M1a, FAL, AR10's) and commercial brass for my hunting rifles. You should be able to tell the difference without having to weigh each case. I have been reloading since 1982 and this has never been a problem.

I stated:" I also betcha that the 9.3x62 has killed more game in Africa than the 35 whelen ever will. I have no way of proving this." My response was in regard to what do you think they have used the 9.3x62 for over a hundred plus years for. The same cannot be said about the 35 Whelen.

I have loaded for the following Ackley improved wildcats; 8mm-06AI, 22-250AI, and 6.5-06AI, 35 whelen AI. I also have a 404 B&J Express. I have found published load data for each of these from reputable sources so I dont push them til the primers flatten. I have never found the hottest round to be the most accurate. I will always take accuracy over speed.

I guess someone has to take the chance and most cartridges started as wild cats at one time. I won't take that risk. I am getting older and my parts are too dear to me. If I dont have enough energy in the cartridge I am shooting I will just go bigger.

i,ll bet the lowly .303 brit has killed more animals in africa than the 9.3x62, whats your point?

 

[Elmbow]

Well, Griffin & Howe says it's a Springfield .30-06.

Also, in Osa's book I Married Adventure (1940) she lists "1 American Springfield" as part of their rifle inventory during their four year stay at Lake Paradise.

Whatever . . . Bob F.

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Another instance of me spouting off
I saw that huge chunk of wood on the side of the stock and said to myself that’s a Krag.

 

[Flbt]

@Flbt
Easy to get it out of a 358 if'n you runn a Whelen reamer they it
Paco Kelly has some potent loads for the 358.
@Rick HOlbert gets a tad over 2,500 fps with a 225gn Woodleigh round nose and that load punches big hole in PG.
Bob

I dont think the 35w will fit in a short action blr.
And I am kinda attached to that rifle it’s been floating around extended family for years.
And it’s a early one no safety just a hammer.

 

[Flbt]

@Flbt
What powder are you using.
I use H4350/2209 and with the standard load it's 2,200fps for 49,000psi.
My load runs upto 61,000psi for 2,455fps.
Bob

double tap factory load.
I don’t reload being a dyslexic I think it could. Be to dangerous

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I dont think the 35w will fit in a short action blr.
And I am kinda attached to that rifle it’s been floating around extended family for years.
And it’s a early one no safety just a hammer.

@Flbt
You would be surprised at what I can do with an angle grinder, hacksaw, welder and some Emery paper.
But personally I would just leave that beautiful BLR as is and use Paco Kelly load data.
Those 225gn Woodleigh rnsp that Rick used in Namibia were deadly. The only thing was they worked that well even on a big Sable bull he never recovered a projectile as the hit like a freight train and punched big holes out the other side.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

double tap factory load.
I don’t reload being a dyslexic I think it could. Be to dangerous

@Flbt
Inf it wasn't dangerous it could be very interesting to say the least.
Bob

 

[BFaucett]

@Flbt
Easy to get it out of a 358 if'n you runn a Whelen reamer they it
Paco Kelly has some potent loads for the 358.
@Rick HOlbert gets a tad over 2,500 fps with a 225gn Woodleigh round nose and that load punches big hole in PG.
Bob

Speaking of the .358 Winchester, I've found a comparison between the .358 Winchester and the ol' 9x57 Mauser to be interesting. I've thought for a long time that a short action, bolt action rifle in .358 Winchester would be a fun and easy way to imitate having a rifle in 9x57 (just for the historical romance and nostalgia of it). IMHO, something like a Ruger M77 Mk II International (18.5" barrel) in .358 Winchester would be a lot of fun in the woodlands or the African bushveld.

Ruger M77 Mk II International

Of course, I already have a Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .35 Whelen (22" barrel) so having a bolt action rifle in .358 Win would be rather superfluous for me. Plus, I also have a Husqvarna Model 46 in 9.3x57. I already have too many rifles but it's still fun to daydream.

Attached is a brief article (2 page pdf file) about the 9x57 Mauser.

An excerpt from the article:

The 9mm Mauser​

By Charlie Haley​

​

"The ballistics of the 9mm Mauser are somewhat confusing, as there were a number of bullet weights available and two distinctly different load levels. Bullet weights available ranged from 205 grains up to 281 grains, but the standard Kynoch loading (and the one which established this cartridge's reputation) was a 245-grain round-nosed bullet (available as a solid or a soft-nose) at 2150 feet per second. Other factory ammunition was loaded somewhat hotter, particularly the German DWM sporting ammunition, which offered a 247-grain bullet at an alleged 2310 feet per second. Under Zimbabwe's National Parks regulations the 9mm Mauser fits quite happily in the calibres suited for Class 'C' animals (general big game), which includes Kudu, Zebra, Sable, Waterbuck and the like."​

Unfortunately, the attached article isn't dated but my downloaded file is dated Jan 2010 (file properties). I originally downloaded the file from an African hunting magazine's website. (I'm not sure if I can mention the name here.)

Just my musings and ramblings . . . Cheers! Bob F.

.358 Winchester - Wikipedia

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9×57mm Mauser - Wikipedia

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[Flbt]

Speaking of the .358 Winchester, I've found a comparison between the .358 Winchester and the ol' 9x57 Mauser to be interesting. I've thought for a long time that a short action, bolt action rifle in .358 Winchester would be a fun and easy way to imitate having a rifle in 9x57 (just for the historical romance and nostalgia of it). IMHO, something like a Ruger M77 Mk II International (18.5" barrel) in .358 Winchester would be a lot of fun in the woodlands or the African bushveld.

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Ruger M77 Mk II International

Of course, I already have a Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .35 Whelen (22" barrel) so having a bolt action rifle in .358 Win would be rather superfluous for me. Plus, I also have a Husqvarna Model 46 in 9.3x57. I already have too many rifles but it's still fun to daydream.

Attached is a brief article (2 page pdf file) about the 9x57 Mauser.

An excerpt from the article:

The 9mm Mauser​

By Charlie Haley​

​

"The ballistics of the 9mm Mauser are somewhat confusing, as there were a number of bullet weights available and two distinctly different load levels. Bullet weights available ranged from 205 grains up to 281 grains, but the standard Kynoch loading (and the one which established this cartridge's reputation) was a 245-grain round-nosed bullet (available as a solid or a soft-nose) at 2150 feet per second. Other factory ammunition was loaded somewhat hotter, particularly the German DWM sporting ammunition, which offered a 247-grain bullet at an alleged 2310 feet per second. Under Zimbabwe's National Parks regulations the 9mm Mauser fits quite happily in the calibres suited for Class 'C' animals (general big game), which includes Kudu, Zebra, Sable, Waterbuck and the like."​

Unfortunately, the attached article isn't dated but my downloaded file is dated Jan 2010 (file properties). I originally downloaded the file from an African hunting magazine's website. (I'm not sure if I can mention the name here.)

Just my musings and ramblings . . . Cheers! Bob F.


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.358 Winchester - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

9×57mm Mauser - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thats a very nice ruger.
My grand nephew in law works at a gun shop and try’s to buy most of the weard guns according to his boss ( interesting according to me )
A old 9.57 came in he was talking about reaming it to 358 or 35w if it would fit.
I told him to try the 9x57 first especially since he reloads.
I am going to put him in a deer stand in the swamp this year we’re shots are on feet not yds
I really can’t think of much better.

 

[BFaucett]

I thought this might be of interest. This is a section of a spreadsheet I put together around 2010 or so. This section shows how the 9x57 Mauser compares to some of the American .35 caliber cartridges.

The cartridge ballistics are from the catalog sources listed at the bottom. (The image is 826x620 pixels in size.)

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[MS 9x56]

I thought this might be of interest. This is a section of a spreadsheet I put together around 2010 or so. This section shows how the 9x57 Mauser compares to some of the American .35 caliber cartridges.

The cartridge ballistics are from the catalog sources listed at the bottom. (The image is 826x620 pixels in size.)

Cheers! Bob F.


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I think I may need one of these.

 

[Hyde Hunter]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

 

[Flbt]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

With heavy bullets it sound like a good thumper out to 300 yds especially with round nose heavy bullets.

My buddy was talking about buying a ruger frontier mark 2 into a 358w.
It would be a wonderful hard hitting carbide
I think they have the 16.5 or 18 in barrel with the ability to mount a scope over the action or scout type. The only thing I would want iron sights.

 

[Flbt]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

Except for the biggest of the big 35 is the answer for everything

 

[NDWoods]

I finally pulled the trigger on the Lipseys Whelen. It got to the office late today so I will get to do the paperwork tomorrow. I will take it straight to Alamo for glass bedding hoping I get to shoot it in a month or so.

 

[MS 9x56]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

If you feel it you should do it! Both should sit side by side in your gun cabinet.

 

[BFaucett]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. ...<snip>...

Of course, the correct answer is to have one of each! I have both; a Ruger M77 Mk II in .35 Whelen and a CZ 550 American in 9.3x62.

I've found it's easier to find lighter bullets (250 gr or less) for the .35 Whelen than it is for the 9.3x62. The 270 gr Speers are about the lightest I can find reliably available for the 9.3 and that's not much different than the standard 286 gr bullets. So, one could use 200 - 225 gr bullets in the .35 Whelen and use the heavier 286 gr bullets in the 9.3x62. In my mind, that's just one way to separate or distinguish between the two cartridges although it's not a huge difference.

And, with 225 gr bullets, the .35 Whelen does a pretty good job of imitating the .350 Rigby Magnum (original ballistics of a 225 gr bullet at 2600 fps) and that's not a bad niche to be in, IMO.

Just my ramblings and musings... Cheers! Bob F,

 

[Hagler.450Ex]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

If Jes is going to do a rebore, I'd go with the Petrov .400 Whelen....duplicates the .450-400
But it takes a bit more 'finding things' to set up to load for it.
However, given the two choices you mentioned, it's hard to say. I'd say 9.3x62, but that's because I'm a 9.3 person, but there's nothing wrong with the .35 and its SD.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I ma having a hard time trying to decide between building a 35 Whelen and another 9.3x62. I now have a Sauer model 100 that is light and very handy to carry. But for some reason I keep thinking I need a 35 Whelen so someone please help me make up my mind.the rifle I am building will be a Remington model 700 20 inch barrel the Jess rebore will bore and rifle the barrel and I already have a spare McMillan stock and Timmey trigger

@Hyde Hunter
Go the Whelen
What's not to love
When loaded properly shoot as flat as an ought six.
Has over 4,000 fpe of muzzle energy and carries that out to 400yard where it's still packing 2,000fpe
Those big 310s have the same as a 375 350grainer.
Can be loaded with pistol bullets for cheap plinking, small game or practice.

Suitable for any game but not quite legal for some DG .
More reloading components than the 9.3.

Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Except for the biggest of the big 35 is the answer for everything

@Flbt
With the correct bullet and placement even the biggest of the big, just ain't quite legal.
Dang the 350 Rigby magnum was used in the biggest of the big back in the day and the critters died.
Bob