35 Whelen load data

[jwp475]

The Hornady bras that I have and the Remington 30-06 sized to 35 Whelen hold the same amount of powder when filled to the top of the case mouth, 73.4 grains. Federal holds 1 grain less. Something to keep in mind.

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

I’ve made brass out of 270 win and 280 Remington. I have also processed nickel 30-06 and 270 Win. with no signs of nickel fletching it’s nice when you’re hunting, no tarnishing or stains, I was reluctant “,I heard a blog saying you could not do that but that’s not true. It’s nice to have nickel brass happy hunting Tony.

 

[K95]

Here a re my loads and pressure test data for those loadsView attachment 482194

Here a re my loads and pressure test data for those loadsView attachment 482194

Here a re my loads and pressure test data for those loadsView attachment 482194

Hi Jwp475
I was just looking at your loading tables and it occurred to me that your using CFE 223 the same powder as my mate Bob uses in his 35 Whelan. 2 grs more infact with the same bullet, yet Bob is getting over 200 fps more. I know Bobs has a 25” barrel which is 3” longer than yours but that doesn’t equate to over 200 fps.

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

I’ve made brass out of 270 win and 280 Remington. I have also processed nickel 30-06 and 270 Win. with no signs of nickel fletching it’s nice when you’re hunting, no tarnishing or stains, I was reluctant “,I heard a blog saying you could not do that but that’s not true. It’s nice to have nickel brass happy hunting Tony.

Thanks @gbflyer

To be clear, I am not asking anyone to list their personal load data, especiallyif they do not feel comfortabledoing so. I am looking for helpful leads on where to find published data that uses my components. Just as you referenced woodleigh as a possible resource I can use, especially if I get ahold of some of their components.

For example, if the Hornady 11th edition of handloading lists an option for 225 gr bullet with CFE 223 powder, I am asking for the name of the manual, book, or a link to website. I will happily purchase resources, but would rather know they contain useful information than buying blind in hopes it has something useful or different than what I have.

Thanks again!

Go with the most recent, newest, reloading manual, you can find because it has better new or more advanced powders, 2021 & up Richard Lee’s 51st addition is good, and Speer loads then Barnes or Nosler, they treat the 35 Whelen like an old musket with pressures under 50k and modern bolt actions can handle 64,000 psi be careful, happy hunting Cheers Tony

 

[450 Dakota]

Varget works great for me with the 225 Accubond. Start at Noslers starting load and work up.

 

[jwp475]

Hi Jwp475
I was just looking at your loading tables and it occurred to me that your using CFE 223 the same powder as my mate Bob uses in his 35 Whelan. 2 grs more infact with the same bullet, yet Bob is getting over 200 fps more. I know Bobs has a 25” barrel which is 3” longer than yours but that doesn’t equate to over 200 fps.

Not sure why you thank that a 25" barrel which is what Bob Nelson 35 Whelen has is longer than my 28" barrel. Also Bob Nelson 35 Whelen is getting 2690 or so FPS and I am getting 2731 FPS.

If you are looking at the spread sheet of the pressure tests the rifle used for pressure testing was a Remington 700 and I am not sure of the barrel length. But safe to say it's shorter than 25" may have been 22". The load tested was with 64 grains of CFE223, the load in my opening post is 65 grains and Bob Nelson 35 Whelens load is 64.5 grains of CFE223

 

[tankgijohn72]

I have a savage I rebarreled in 35 whelen. Have some really good loads with h4895 and 200ttsx. Started messing with 250 partition and 250 hot cor. Was getting 2450-2500 with 4895. Recently tried cfe 223. Getting 2675 with partition and 2575 with hot cor. Partition load is awesome. Used speer hot cor load data and worked up with the partition. No pressure signs at that velocity

 

[9412765]

I have a savage I rebarreled in 35 whelen. Have some really good loads with h4895 and 200ttsx. Started messing with 250 partition and 250 hot cor. Was getting 2450-2500 with 4895. Recently tried cfe 223. Getting 2675 with partition and 2575 with hot cor. Partition load is awesome. Used speer hot cor load data and worked up with the partition. No pressure signs at that velocity

I have killed several whitetails and pronghorn with the 250 hotcor at ~2,450 (cfe223). I like that bullet and it has worked well for others on larger species. I now use a Lyman 358009 clone at 2,350. It works well too.

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

I also used 250 grain hard-core. They’re great to start up a load and use on paper to get Coefficient of your partitions are use spear grand slam 250gr to hunt with and 250 hot cores to paper as you were doing and white tail. That’s obviously more than you need 35 Whelen even going at 2100 ft./s. Under@150 Yds Will kill pretty much anything in North America with the exception of Kodiak bears, so effectively you’re hunting Whitetail with Kodiak bear loads pretty cool, good luck. Cheers, Tony.

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

I have killed several whitetails and pronghorn with the 250 hotcor at ~2,450 (cfe223). I like that bullet and it has worked well for others on larger species. I now use a Lyman 358009 clone at 2,350. It works well too.

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

I’ve been loading old stock, Barnes originals W748 w 56 grs , heavy jacketed, 300 grain SP projectiles @ 2300fps Apx. I noticed over penetration on my backstop which included 4 x 4‘s and sandbags went through all of that and threw three soft pine trees, approximately 12 inches thick. Has anyone had any problems with over penetration on game ? I have CFE223 powder would like to know if anyone has loaded 300/310 grain projectiles like Woodledge?

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have a savage I rebarreled in 35 whelen. Have some really good loads with h4895 and 200ttsx. Started messing with 250 partition and 250 hot cor. Was getting 2450-2500 with 4895. Recently tried cfe 223. Getting 2675 with partition and 2575 with hot cor. Partition load is awesome. Used speer hot cor load data and worked up with the partition. No pressure signs at that velocity

@tankgijohn72
I use speers max load of 64gn of CFE223 with the 250gr speer and get 2,700fps out of my 25 inch barreled Whelen.
This load is safe in my rifle but work up to it.
The speer load of 70gn of CFE223 with the 225gn game king gives me 2,900 as well
The above cautin applies.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I’ve been loading old stock, Barnes originals W748 w 56 grs , heavy jacketed, 300 grain SP projectiles @ 2300fps Apx. I noticed over penetration on my backstop which included 4 x 4‘s and sandbags went through all of that and threw three soft pine trees, approximately 12 inches thick. Has anyone had any problems with over penetration on game ? I have CFE223 powder would like to know if anyone has loaded 300/310 grain projectiles like Woodledge?

@Tiger Tony 35 Whelen
I load Woodleigh 310s with 2209/ H4350.
The recommended is 59gn for 2,200fps and 47,000 cup. This is a compressed load without a drop tube.

I use a 2 foot drop tube and load 62gn of H4350 and get 2,455 fps at what appears to be mild pressures. Still a slightly compressed load.
ALL my loads use Remington cases and standard Remington large rifle primers.
Work up to this load. Safe in my rifle.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Varget works great for me with the 225 Accubond. Start at Noslers starting load and work up.

@450 Dakota
I started with noslers starting load with Varget/ adi2208 and worked up to their max and got 2,800fps with the 225gn accubond
65gn of CFE223 gave me just over 2,900fps with the same bullet.
These loads were safe in my rifle but work up from 3gn below.
I did try the speer load of 70gn of CFE223 with the 225gn game king for a bit over 2,900fps.
All these loads produced excellent accuracy in my rifle with muzzle energies of over 4,200fpe.
This turns the Whelen from a gunwriters good bush cartridge into a game capable genuine 400yrds game rifle the equal to the 338WM in my books.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have a savage I rebarreled in 35 whelen. Have some really good loads with h4895 and 200ttsx. Started messing with 250 partition and 250 hot cor. Was getting 2450-2500 with 4895. Recently tried cfe 223. Getting 2675 with partition and 2575 with hot cor. Partition load is awesome. Used speer hot cor load data and worked up with the partition. No pressure signs at that velocity

@tankgijohn72

My Savage/ aka Stevens 200 Whelen

Some nice bullets for the Whelen
L to R 225gn Woodleigh RNSP, 220gn Atomic29 similar to the Barnes tsx, 275gn Woodleigh PPSP and 310gn Woodleigh RNSP.

For the ultimate in big mobs of hogs eradication get this converted to 35 Whelen MG 42. Now that would be fun. Very expensive to rum at 1,100 rounds a minute but the ultimate in fun
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Bob

 

[TigerTony35whelen]

@tankgijohn72
I use speers max load of 64gn of CFE223 with the 250gr speer and get 2,700fps out of my 25 inch barreled Whelen.
This load is safe in my rifle but work up to it.
The speer load of 70gn of CFE223 with the 225gn game king gives me 2,900 as well
The above cautin applies.
Bob

@tankgijohn72
View attachment 547307
My Savage/ aka Stevens 200 Whelen
View attachment 547308
Some nice bullets for the Whelen
L to R 225gn Woodleigh RNSP, 220gn Atomic29 similar to the Barnes tsx, 275gn Woodleigh PPSP and 310gn Woodleigh RNSP.
View attachment 547309
For the ultimate in big mobs of hogs eradication get this converted to 35 Whelen MG 42. Now that would be fun. Very expensive to rum at 1,100 rounds a minute but the ultimate in fun
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Bob

Crazy awesome you rock that is cool never thought of that belt fed 35 Ott six nice cheers Tony

 

[cajunchefray]

Varget works great for me with the 225 Accubond. Start at Noslers starting load and work up.

Same experience with Varget and 225 Accubonds, I use the Accubonds at +1 grains Nosler's start loads, accuracy in my Ruger #1 .35 Whelen, 24" barrel and custom 1912 Steyr Mauser 98 with 23" barrel, just works.

I also use Varget with 250 grain Hornady RN (now discontinued) at 1 grain under Max in The Lee Reloading manual. H 4895 also works well here.

I don't Hot-Rod the loads; I go for easy accuracy.

As ALWAYS, start with the minimum load from established reloading manuals, and carefully work up.

Varget, H4895, and Reloder-15 work well in this range to find accuracy.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Same experience with Varget and 225 Accubonds, I use the Accubonds at +1 grains Nosler's start loads, accuracy in my Ruger #1 .35 Whelen, 24" barrel and custom 1912 Steyr Mauser 98 with 23" barrel, just works.

I also use Varget with 250 grain Hornady RN (now discontinued) at 1 grain under Max in The Lee Reloading manual. H 4895 also works well here.

I don't Hot-Rod the loads; I go for easy accuracy.

As ALWAYS, start with the minimum load from established reloading manuals, and carefully work up.

Varget, H4895, and Reloder-15 work well in this range to find accuracy.

@cajunchefray
I managed to get hold of 2 boxes of the Hornady 250gn round nose.
The have a small bearing surface for their size so had to go up a couple of grains to get the same speed as the speers, 2,700fps. They cut clover leaf groups at 100yds.
I hit a big oryx bull in Namibia with one and you could see his whole body ripple thru the scope. Put a golf ball size hole out the other side of him at 120yds.
Bob

 

[okie john]

Is anyone using CFE-223 or TAC with 200-grain TTSXs?

thanks,


Okie John

 

[jwp475]

Is anyone using CFE-223 or TAC with 200-grain TTSXs?

thanks,


Okie John

CFE223 works very well but gives up a little velocity to Power Pro Varmint with the 200s