270 Wsm or 270 Wby

The 7mm Remington Magnum can be an outstanding choice if you: A. Hand load, and B. Happen to have a rifle with a consistently fast barrel. Otherwise it’s only marginally more powerful than a .270 Winchester while being more expensive to shoot and less magazine capacity. Factory ammo for the 7RM is generally loaded very far below the actual capability of the cartridge. The original specs when Les Bowman developed the cartridge was a 160 grain bullet at 3,150fps. You’re lucky to get 2,950 with 150 grain bullets in factory ammo these days, often getting far less In actuality. I understand that in the 1970s there came an understanding that some 7RM rifles were getting too much velocity, too much pressure, and the factory loads were tuned way down. The problem here there were also very slow barrels that now get velocity below that of a regular .270. Hardly anyone had chronographs so people developed strong opinions on the cartridge based on their personal or observed success or failure. I believe Speer detailed this problem in some factory rifles shooting up to 300 fps faster than advertised with a particular load while others shot down to 400 fps lower. A huge span of 700 fps. This is based on my own research. My own 7RM rifle, sample size of exactly one, exhibited some interesting results over the chronograph. Some factory ammo shot 100-150 fps below advertised while others shot 100-150 above advertised. This is the only rifle I have experienced anything like this with. This experience is what prompted me to do some research and find the aforementioned information. Considering the cost of factory ammo, I wouldn’t recommend the 7RM to anyone who isn’t interested in judicious hand loading, in which case if they are then I’d recommend it. True the .280AI will do most of the what the 7RM will do (maybe more if we’re talking factory ammo) and with less powder, but as usual the magnum will give us an advantage with the heaviest bullet weights. Normally I lean towards magnum length cartridges in caliber .30 and above as the extra length gives greater flexibility with heavier bullets while keeping up the velocities, but the 7mm weight class crosses into the realm of diminishing returns with cartridges like the RUM and STW. For what it’s worth I’m thinking about getting a .270 Weatherby myself.
I've been shooting a 7mm RM since 1981. Since then I have killed a great many blacktails, a couple of mule deer and two pronghorns with it. I started shooting 150 grain Corelockts then started hand loading. I finally settled on 140 grain AccuBonds at about 3450 fps. Ammo, brass and other components are easy to find. I will not be changing to a .270 anything. I just cannot see any advantage.
 
I've been shooting a 7mm RM since 1981. Since then I have killed a great many blacktails, a couple of mule deer and two pronghorns with it. I started shooting 150 grain Corelockts then started hand loading. I finally settled on 140 grain AccuBonds at about 3450 fps. Ammo, brass and other components are easy to find. I will not be changing to a .270 anything. I just cannot see any advantage.
Sorry. I hit the wrong button. It was supposed to.say 3250. At 3450 the rifle might blow up!
 
Hola, tengo un 270WSM, browning a-bolt, de titanio, con culata GRS. El problema es la dificultad de conseguir munición. Si tuvieras que comprar ahora un arma de esas prestaciones, optaría por un 7mmRM: munición fácil de conseguir y hasta 175gr. Quería preguntaros: ¿cuál sería el mayor animal cazable con el 270WSM?¿con qué punta? ¿En qué entorno? Planeo mi primer safari y la primera duda es el arma y calibre. Quisiera empezar por los grandes antílopes, incluído eland,.Tampoco tengo claro que la bala rápida de 150gr del 270WSM sea la mejor opción con maleza.
 
Hola, tengo un 270WSM, browning a-bolt, de titanio, con culata GRS. El problema es la dificultad de conseguir munición. Si tuvieras que comprar ahora un arma de esas prestaciones, optaría por un 7mmRM: munición fácil de conseguir y hasta 175gr. Quería preguntaros: ¿cuál sería el mayor animal cazable con el 270WSM?¿con qué punta? ¿En qué entorno? Planeo mi primer safari y la primera duda es el arma y calibre. Quisiera empezar por los grandes antílopes, incluído eland,.Tampoco tengo claro que la bala rápida de 150gr del 270WSM sea la mejor opción con maleza.
Sorry. I couldn't translate all.of this. MI Espanol es muy malo! I think.you said that you use a .270 WSM, with 150 grain bullets which compares well to a 7mm Rem Mag.with 175 grain bullets on big antelope up to eland. The problem is .270 WSM ammo is harder to find.

I hope I wss close!

In any case, I see you are a new member. Welcome! Bienvenido!
 
I've been shooting a 7mm RM since 1981. Since then I have killed a great many blacktails, a couple of mule deer and two pronghorns with it. I started shooting 150 grain Corelockts then started hand loading. I finally settled on 140 grain AccuBonds at about 3450 fps. Ammo, brass and other components are easy to find. I will not be changing to a .270 anything. I just cannot see any advantage.
I’d say you’re definitely getting what you should be getting from your 7mm RM. My main point was many people are really not getting any advantageous level of performance with theirs, particularly with factory ammo. Per the .270 versus 7mm debate, I would concede that the 7mm diameter is more versatile and practical with its available bullet weights. I think most folks kind of miss the point of the .270 though in that it really is at its best specifically with premium 130 grain bullets at the highest velocity possible; a niche that it fills uniquely well compared to the smaller and larger bores. Of course the .270 with 150 grain Partitions can do some amazing things, but it’d be fair to say that the .280AI and/or 7mmRM with 160 grain Partitions would be better yet for the same applications. I personally go to something .30-caliber or larger when I want something more than a .270, but if it were a 1 gun only proposition then something in the 7mm diameter would be the most sensible for many applications. Best regards
 
Between the two, you are looking at 200 fps advantage to the Weatherby which is only a few inches in elevation difference at 400 yards which is negligible. If you are looking shooting farther than that, then the Weatherby has the advantage. I have never shot a 270 WSM, but I have owned a 270 Weatherby Mark V as well as one built by Hill Country Rifles which I still own. The later is one of the most accurate rifles I own. I went with this caliber 30 years ago before ballistic turrets were around and wanted the flattest shooting caliber at the time. I had a 7mm STW in between these two. I will actually be putting my 270 Weatherby built by Hill Country Rifles up for sale in the next week or so as I have not used it quite some time and I will explain why.

There has been a lot of advancement in cartridges as well as range finders and scopes with ballistic turrets in the past 15 years or so. For deer hunting, I replaced this rifle with a 6.5 Creedmoor which is a whole lot more pleasant to shoot and I think the 6.5's are the perfect caliber for deer sized game. Since then for Africa Plains Game, I went with 30-06 and had a 7mm PRC built specifically to run suppressed with 20" barrels and I am glad I did. The 7mm PRC will outperform the others in energy down range due to the heavier bullets as well as the higher ballistic coefficient of the bullets with less velocity and less recoil.

Note: Above opinion is based off factory ammo as I do not reload.

Here is a youtube link to the testing Hill Country Rifles did on the 7mm PRC.
 

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