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As a beginner or someone unfamiliar with the world of dangerous game, I pose this question to more experienced hunters:

Is it necessary to have or go hunting buffalo with two types of bullets: expanding (the former) and solid (the latter), given that "controlled" expansion and high-penetration bullets are available on the market, such as Swift A-frame and Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw?

For example, in a 500-grain .470NE
 
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We have discussed this topic many times. The answers want not be very helpful to you because opinions vary greatly. An advertising pressure supported by various influencers and sponsored authors also plays a role in the choice of the bullets. It is best to ask your organizer how they would like it.
 
As a beginner or someone unfamiliar with the world of dangerous game, I pose this question to more experienced hunters:

Is it necessary to have or go hunting buffalo with two types of bullets: expanding (the former) and solid (the latter), given that "controlled" expansion and high-penetration bullets are available on the market, such as Swift A-frame and Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw?

For example, in a 500-grain .470NE
Very logical question to ask. Let me explain. When I first began hunting in Africa in 1974… the standard practice was to load a soft point for the first shot and solids for the follow up shot. In a magazine rifle, it was soft point in the chamber and solids in the magazine. In a double rifle, it was soft point in the first barrel & solid in the second barrel.

The logic was that (as a client hunter) your first shot would invariably be made from a perfectly broadside position (which your white hunter would get you to) and from this angle… the soft points of those days (for example: the RWS Kegelspitze Cone Point) could be reliably expected to penetrate into the heart-lung region behind the shoulder (provided that you avoided the heavy shoulder bone/humerus/scapula). After the first shot, the Cape buffalo would be either departing (i.e offering only quartering away or going away shots) or (relatively less commonly) charging (i.e offering only frontal shots). At these angles, the soft points of those days seldom could be reliably expected to penetrate deep enough into the vital organs. Hence, we had to rely exclusively upon the solid for follow up shots.

My initial set up (in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum magazine rifles) was one RWS 300Gr Kegelspitze Cone Point followed by RWS 300Gr nickel jacketed round nosed FMJ solids (and later, Remington 300Gr Hornady round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids starting from 1982) in the rest of the magazine.

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In this double barreled .458 Winchester Magnum Belgium made boxlock ejector, it was a (hand loaded) Hornady 500Gr soft point in the left barrel for the first shot and a (hand loaded) Hornady 500Gr round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solid in the right barrel for the follow up shot.
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Aside from the fact that soft points generated larger wound cavities in the vital organs of Cape buffalo on body shots to the heart-lung region (which accelerated blood loss and led to the game hemorrhaging faster from blood loss), they possessed one more advantage. They did not over penetrate. You see, the vast majority of African Cape buffalo are hunted in herds. And using solid bullets always runs the risk of accidentally wounding another animal after your bullet passes completely through your intended target animal. During my first Safari to Kenya in 1974, I had (in fact) accidentally wounded a Cape buffalo cow (which I didn’t even notice) when my bullet (an RWS 300Gr round nosed nickel jacketed FMJ solid) had passed through my targeted bull. Back in those days, you could barely get away with this sort of thing. I hesitate to think of the legal repercussions if a client made such a mistake on a Safari today.

In the mid 1980s, the concept of the controlled expansion bullet was first developed. Swift came out with the A Frame in 1984. Jack Carter developed the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw in 1985. Barnes came out with the X in 1989. I was first introduced to the Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 300Gr factory load in 1993. And after just one Safari, I resolved to never employ solid bullets on Cape buffalo anymore. Here, we had a bullet which could cleanly penetrate a Cape buffalo from ANY angle while generating a desirably large wound cavity without any risk of passing completely through the target animal & accidentally wounding another head of game.
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Even though (post 1993) I mostly used the Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, I used other types of controlled expansion bullets over the years on Cape buffalo as well. The Barnes TSX and Rhino Solid Shank in particular, are stoutly constructed enough to even reach a Cape buffalo’s vital organs with shots taken at acute angles. They can even reach the brain with a shot taken under the Cape buffalo’s boss. Hence, I completely abandoned the solid for my Cape buffalo hunting purposes.

I hope that this provides some useful insight to your question.

On a related subject: In my field experience, a non expanding bullet under .450 caliber can’t be expected to reliably kill a Cape buffalo with a heart-lung shot all too quickly anyway.
 
What a great post @Hunter-Habib

I concur these days there is quality premiun softs available no need for solids unless you are hunting, elephant, hippo and rhino.
 
What a great post @Hunter-Habib

I concur these days there is quality premiun softs available no need for solids unless you are hunting, elephant, hippo and rhino.
Why thank you so much, @Frederik

Throughout most of my hippo hunting life, I have always been employing solids exclusively.
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But I’ve shot two of my most recent ones with Barnes TSX all-copper hollow points.
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It’s still a little too early to tell whether I should henceforth completely abandon the use of the solid bullet for the hippopotamus. But so far, I really like what I’m seeing.

I will tell you this, however. For a heart-lung shot on a hippopotamus bull on land with solid bullets fired out of any caliber smaller than .450 bore, the creature often still manages to make it into the water before expiring. The two which I’ve downed with the Barnes TSX so far (employing heart-lung shots)… expired before going 15 yards.
 
I'm old school...
When hunting Buff with my Double I'll run a Soft in the right barrel and a Solid in the left if while tracking if we get mixed up in Eles I'll swap the soft for a solid .. Same with a Bolt gun I'll run a Soft in the chamber and Solids in the magazine and roll a Solid in the chamber if Eles become a concern
Why a Solid for the second and third shot .... After your first shot a Buff is either running away or running at you
The handful of Cape Buff that I have shot have all been in groups of 2 or 4 so it can be easy to pick your shot .. If... I were to hunt Mozambique amongst those big herds I would probably leave the Solids on my Belt
 
Very logical question to ask. Let me explain. When I first began hunting in Africa in 1974… the standard practice was to load a soft point for the first shot and solids for the follow up shot. In a magazine rifle, it was soft point in the chamber and solids in the magazine. In a double rifle, it was soft point in the first barrel & solid in the second barrel.

The logic was that (as a client hunter) your first shot would invariably be made from a perfectly broadside position (which your white hunter would get you to) and from this angle… the soft points of those days (for example: the RWS Kegelspitze Cone Point) could be reliably expected to penetrate into the heart-lung region behind the shoulder (provided that you avoided the heavy shoulder bone/humerus/scapula). After the first shot, the Cape buffalo would be either departing (i.e offering only quartering away or going away shots) or (relatively less commonly) charging (i.e offering only frontal shots). At these angles, the soft points of those days seldom could be reliably expected to penetrate deep enough into the vital organs. Hence, we had to rely exclusively upon the solid for follow up shots.

My initial set up (in .375 Holland & Holland Magnum magazine rifles) was one RWS 300Gr Kegelspitze Cone Point followed by RWS 300Gr nickel jacketed round nosed FMJ solids (and later, Remington 300Gr Hornady round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solids starting from 1982) in the rest of the magazine.

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In this double barreled .458 Winchester Magnum Belgium made boxlock ejector, it was a (hand loaded) Hornady 500Gr soft point in the left barrel for the first shot and a (hand loaded) Hornady 500Gr round nosed steel jacketed FMJ solid in the right barrel for the follow up shot.
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Aside from the fact that soft points generated larger wound cavities in the vital organs of Cape buffalo on body shots to the heart-lung region (which accelerated blood loss and led to the game hemorrhaging faster from blood loss), they possessed one more advantage. They did not over penetrate. You see, the vast majority of African Cape buffalo are hunted in herds. And using solid bullets always runs the risk of accidentally wounding another animal after your bullet passes completely through your intended target animal. During my first Safari to Kenya in 1974, I had (in fact) accidentally wounded a Cape buffalo cow (which I didn’t even notice) when my bullet (an RWS 300Gr round nosed nickel jacketed FMJ solid) had passed through my targeted bull. Back in those days, you could barely get away with this sort of thing. I hesitate to think of the legal repercussions if a client made such a mistake on a Safari today.

In the mid 1980s, the concept of the controlled expansion bullet was first developed. Swift came out with the A Frame in 1984. Jack Carter developed the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw in 1985. Barnes came out with the X in 1989. I was first introduced to the Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 300Gr factory load in 1993. And after just one Safari, I resolved to never employ solid bullets on Cape buffalo anymore. Here, we had a bullet which could cleanly penetrate a Cape buffalo from ANY angle while generating a desirably large wound cavity without any risk of passing completely through the target animal & accidentally wounding another head of game.
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Even though (post 1993) I mostly used the Federal Premium Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, I used other types of controlled expansion bullets over the years on Cape buffalo as well. The Barnes TSX and Rhino Solid Shank in particular, are stoutly constructed enough to even reach a Cape buffalo’s vital organs with shots taken at acute angles. They can even reach the brain with a shot taken under the Cape buffalo’s boss. Hence, I completely abandoned the solid for my Cape buffalo hunting purposes.

I hope that this provides some useful insight to your question.

On a related subject: In my field experience, a non expanding bullet under .450 caliber can’t be expected to reliably kill a Cape buffalo with a heart-lung shot all too quickly anyway.
I hunted my first and only buffalo in 2021 and I shooted only one type of bullet.
With a cz550 458wm
And my ph solid
My cuestión is because now i have one heym88b in 470NE
And I think is better only one type of bullet A-frame o bear claw it's enough
 
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Simple answer yes. Take quality ammo in softs(such as Swift A-Frame, TBBC, North Fork SS) you will use this for 85-90% of your shots. Take quality solids(such as Cutting Edge FTS or North Fork FTS) you will use these on the remaining shots.
I am heading to Africa this August for 4 Capes and maybe an own use Elephant with my 500 Jeff. I’m taking 40 Swift A-Frames and 10 Cutting Edge FTS all in 570 Grain and traveling 2280 fps.

HH
 
I hunted my first and only buffalo in 2021 and I shooted only one type of bullet.
With a cz550 458wm
And my ph solid
My cuestión is because now i have one heym88b in 470NE
And I think is better only one type of bullet A-frame o bear claw it's enough
Still need to take both but more importantly you need to make sure the ammo is regulated for your double rifle.

HH
 
Bring what your outfitter tells you to bring.

Before I went on my first (and only, so far) safari, I shopped a lot of outfitters. It was a near universal "softs only" for buffalo.

Outfitters can even be kind of picky about which softs.

I was listening to Joseph von Benedikt's Backcountry Hunting podcast a couple months ago about an upcoming buffalo hunt in Moz - he and several buddies plus the outfitter were in this episode. The outfitter didn't tell them they couldn't bring TSX, but that if any of them got a pass-through with TSX and it hit another buff, the hunter would be paying for the 2nd buff; and if they used A Frames and got a pass-through to another buff, the outfitter would pay for the 2nd buff.

But vast herds of 500 or 1000 or more in very flat, open country is common for where they will be hunting, so there are almost always buffalo behind the one you're shooting.

Buffalo very rarely go down like they've been pole-axed. So almost every buffalo hunt involves a wounded buffalo. With proper shot placement, they can go from wounded to lying on the ground, dead or dying, in 15 or 20 seconds. That's what happened to mine.

But imagine your first shot isn't perfect, and you get a pass-through that hits another buffalo. Now you've got 2 wounded buffalo to deal with, instead of just the 1. In my view, 2 wounded buffalo is a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - meaning you don't just have double the trouble, but somewhere north of that.

Bring what your outfitter tells you to bring.
 
Agreed, listen to your outfitter/PH. I’m going to Africa this October on a combination bull elephant & buffalo hunt. My PH recommends the 500 grain Woodleigh Hydro solid in my 458 Lott (as well as an experienced AH member) for elephant and surprisingly said it was perfectly acceptable to use them on Buffalo too although I am bringing 500 grain Barnes TSX too, specifically for Buffalo.
 
My outfitter told me expanding bullets only.
When I asked my PH after the hunt he said he likes to see the follow shot with a solid.
Apparently they had a couple Buffalo goat ropes with clients using only solids. So the owner advises good quality expanding bullets.

My Buffalo took one shot with a 375 Ruger 300 grain TSX. The TSX preformed perfect on my buffalo. The recovered bullet weighed 299 grains.

My buddy used Hornady DGX bonded. The bullet stayed together but lost about 50 grains of weight. Marginal performance.
His Buffalo was hit 8 times. 6 shots from a 375 Ruger, 2 from a 500 NE with the Swift break away load.

On my next Buffalo hunt I most likely will carry solids also.
The performance of the TSX is impressive. Decisions decisions



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I always have a hand full of solids on a trip. you never know if you might have the opportunity to shoot a tiny, and it never hurts to have a few solids in the event you get into a "just in case" scenario where you might need to drive a bullet into a brain pan
 
I’m not going to argue with my PH. My thinking is premium softs like swift, trophy bonded bear claws, TSX are all you need, but if he’d like solids for follow up that’s fine with me too. Having that premium soft as the first shot is the priority to me.
 
I would only use solids for Elephant and maybe Hippo. For Buff a quality bonded bullet or a monolithic work best. A lot of the older PH's are still ingrained to the solid because the old lead and copper were unreliable at best.
 
I would say, that overall concensus on this forum, for modern applications is
Swift a frame for buffalo
Solids for elephant.
If you go for one of them, single animal safari, no need to mix
Swift a frames will be good for plains game as well.

Solids, second use, is for tiny ten antelopes, as effect is immidiate (in DG calibers) but entry and exit wound do not make damage on the skin.
 
My first plains safari was with a 7mmRM Bear Claw 175 grains, and I hunted everything from duiker to kudu and oryx.

In 2021 a buffalo

I LOVE this bullet bear claw or swift A-frame, and in a 470NE sounds nice

I hope to hunt another buffalo early in Zimbabue
 
I hunted my first and only buffalo in 2021 and I shooted only one type of bullet.
With a cz550 458wm
And my ph solid
My cuestión is because now i have one heym88b in 470NE
And I think is better only one type of bullet A-frame o bear claw it's enough
Rhino in SA have some very good .470 bullets also .
 

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