Planning to build a Rigby Shikari

Steppone,

My suggestion is to buy a 470 as they are fairly common as is the ammo. Also take a scoped bolt action 375. The 375 will act as legal backup for DG and be perfect for PG. If you have the available funds and it seems you do please book your first hunt in a real wilderness area. A safari is as much about the experience as the hunt. You'll be cheating yourself if you don't get out into the real bush.

Cheers,

Mark
 
I was the first one to order a Shikari with a .500 NE (red dot) and a .450/400 barrel (scoped) to go with it. The .500 is regulated at 50 yards and the .450/400 at a 100.

Got two cape buffalo with the .500 at Namibia last week.
I agree with tanks...If I can swing a Shikari, I would take the .350 Rigby I have ordered to go with the .500 NE
 
Who knows how many elephants are in the cards, hopefully more than one.

First trip to Africa will be next summer at the earliest and my new hyper fixation won't go away until I have this figured out!
My humble advice is enjoy the hyper fixation and try to remain excited, but defer ordering a brand new double that’s 65-85k British pound sterling with another 10k in the oak and leather case, which you’ll find is well north of $130k US by the time you have it in hand…for one barrel let alone two...at least until you can make said purchase with even the most remote idea of what you like, don’t like, need and would plan to use it for.

I love these threads because they are so much fun and so exciting for many people participating, but as the first page shows you, no single person can answer your question because only you can know and truthfully only you can know through at least some experience. That doesn’t mean you have to go on X number of safaris before buying a double, but before you can make an educated decision on buying a double you may actually like, maybe even keep for a bit, possibly even take to Africa and hopefully not have it prove a miserable experience and loose your tail end on, you have to gather some basic ideas of what you like and don’t.

Again, just the first page, you learned you should get a 500NE and bolt gun, a 470, a 500 and 450/400, and maybe not even a double at all. Every one of those are sound pieces of advice for each of their experienced tastes. What double is almost as personal as what kind of underwear you like. So love this and have reason, some others, and the double crowd can prove a fickle bunch. That is why you will notice certain doubles fly off the market as soon as they appear if not well before and others sit in the market place languishing for months and years even.

All that said, I was very similarly situated to you not all that long ago. Since then I’ve owned 13 doubles, working up hand loads for regulation one each of them except one, a new 470, that went to its new owner and fellow forum member directly after I imported it with my most recent 500NE. I had planned to keep it at least long enough to play with it some and work up regulated loads, but knew I wouldn’t want to keep it long term and I’m simply not a rich man where I can afford to keep all the guns I like.

I see the adventures down this path of double fever as going one of two ways, buy smartly and with a little patience and you’ll learn a lot, have fun, fall in love, and if not, move on relatively unscathed. Buy hastily, and the path turns treacherous rapidly, with long hours of despair, additional lost money and time fixing unknown issues and fitting problems and things you don’t like and didn’t know how much so until you carried and used the rifle for a while. And then take a big clobbering when you try to pass along that gun, hopefully with full disclosure if any issues you haven’t properly fixed.

So much excitement, rewarding times and danger ahead. Like the saying of envy for the man who has not yet ventured to Africa for he has yes so much to see….I also envy…that sir is you.
 
All that said….easiest and most economical fix…go hold and shoot doubles…soon and many.

I’ve said it many times before and in here…as adult we have way too few play dates. Like going to a friends house as kids after a birthday or Christmas. It’s a lot of fun for all, one kid gets to show off his new toys, the other kid gets to check out toys other than his own. Win-win.

We talk and type a lot in here, but so many folks also take the opportunity to connect in person, whether it’s someone close by or at SCI/DSC/WSF shows. I’ve met folks at all and even the airport when traveling to Africa…pretty crazy how many forum members may share a flight during popular times. So reach out to members close to you, or close enough that you are willing to travel to, and ask to go view their doubles, graciously inquire about shooting session, offer to bring a rifle or two of your own if they’d like to see and try a Rigby Rogue or whatever.

Also, I’d recommend traveling to Dallas area when they have the big bore/double shoot….heard there is one sometime in the future that Heym is sponsoring. Great time to see and hold a number of options, and maybe even get behind a few so you can see if you like the weight, feel and recoil of a 450/400 or 470 or 500, etc.

Mallards has some kind of similar event this fall (November maybe??), and there you’d have a chance to see and handle new and vintage doubles of many fine British and other European makers. It too is a paid event, so pretty sure you would get to fire at least a few different options. Have to bet it would prove a super fun time for any fine firearm enthusiast and cheapest way to get some real hands on experience as to what you like and maybe don’t.

If my August/September/October was already filled with hunts, I’d hope to go down to Mallards event just to see some of the eye candy hold some rifles I’ll never want to afford.

And if you wander through Alaska sometime, give a shout. I’m not hard to talk into going shooting. My gun club is a mere 15min from the house and has a main rifle range with steel to a 1000 yards and nearly a dozen separate individually set ranges from 60-110yd for pistol and rifle, several with heated shooting houses so there’s options regardless the time of year.

Encourage others to consider the same, always fun to type about doubles, but lots of fun getting out and shooting others as well.
 
My humble advice is enjoy the hyper fixation and try to remain excited, but defer ordering a brand new double that’s 65-85k British pound sterling with another 10k in the oak and leather case, which you’ll find is well north of $130k US by the time you have it in hand…for one barrel let alone two...at least until you can make said purchase with even the most remote idea of what you like, don’t like, need and would plan to use it for.

I love these threads because they are so much fun and so exciting for many people participating, but as the first page shows you, no single person can answer your question because only you can know and truthfully only you can know through at least some experience. That doesn’t mean you have to go on X number of safaris before buying a double, but before you can make an educated decision on buying a double you may actually like, maybe even keep for a bit, possibly even take to Africa and hopefully not have it prove a miserable experience and loose your tail end on, you have to gather some basic ideas of what you like and don’t.

Again, just the first page, you learned you should get a 500NE and bolt gun, a 470, a 500 and 450/400, and maybe not even a double at all. Every one of those are sound pieces of advice for each of their experienced tastes. What double is almost as personal as what kind of underwear you like. So love this and have reason, some others, and the double crowd can prove a fickle bunch. That is why you will notice certain doubles fly off the market as soon as they appear if not well before and others sit in the market place languishing for months and years even.

All that said, I was very similarly situated to you not all that long ago. Since then I’ve owned 13 doubles, working up hand loads for regulation one each of them except one, a new 470, that went to its new owner and fellow forum member directly after I imported it with my most recent 500NE. I had planned to keep it at least long enough to play with it some and work up regulated loads, but knew I wouldn’t want to keep it long term and I’m simply not a rich man where I can afford to keep all the guns I like.

I see the adventures down this path of double fever as going one of two ways, buy smartly and with a little patience and you’ll learn a lot, have fun, fall in love, and if not, move on relatively unscathed. Buy hastily, and the path turns treacherous rapidly, with long hours of despair, additional lost money and time fixing unknown issues and fitting problems and things you don’t like and didn’t know how much so until you carried and used the rifle for a while. And then take a big clobbering when you try to pass along that gun, hopefully with full disclosure if any issues you haven’t properly fixed.

So much excitement, rewarding times and danger ahead. Like the saying of envy for the man who has not yet ventured to Africa for he has yes so much to see….I also envy…that sir is you.
I am enjoying all of the feedback and advice. I know in the end a custome DR is going to cost a small fortune and I'm ok with that. I have an extensive gun collection already (mostly modern and transferable MGs) so I'm not afraid to spend money on my toys. That is one of the reasons I work so hard. Plus as a peace offering, I told my wife we get to London to pick out the wood, final engraving options and fitting when the time comes.

I know there are plenty of options and opinions for what is best to use on certain types of African game, but I can't escape the thought of hunting dangerous game with a British double. I'm sure this won't be my only double, but it may be the only one that is truly made for me and the thought of it taking 5 years is agonizing. That is why I don't want to wait until after my trip, patience is not a virtue I posses.

To be honest, I've never had the opportunity to shoot a double or even know anyone personally that owns one that I could shoot. I did see the event at Mallards you refered to but I'll be out of the country then. Hopefully I can find another opportunity.

I appreciate the invite for the play date! If I ever make it to Wasilla, I'll take you up on it. I lived in Fairbanks when I was a kid and my dad is still there. I was there last fall for a dall sheep and grizz hunt. I had plans to go agian this year for Forty Mile caribou, but I just couldn't get away...
 
I am enjoying all of the feedback and advice. I know in the end a custome DR is going to cost a small fortune and I'm ok with that. I have an extensive gun collection already (mostly modern and transferable MGs) so I'm not afraid to spend money on my toys. That is one of the reasons I work so hard. Plus as a peace offering, I told my wife we get to London to pick out the wood, final engraving options and fitting when the time comes.

I know there are plenty of options and opinions for what is best to use on certain types of African game, but I can't escape the thought of hunting dangerous game with a British double. I'm sure this won't be my only double, but it may be the only one that is truly made for me and the thought of it taking 5 years is agonizing. That is why I don't want to wait until after my trip, patience is not a virtue I posses.

To be honest, I've never had the opportunity to shoot a double or even know anyone personally that owns one that I could shoot. I did see the event at Mallards you refered to but I'll be out of the country then. Hopefully I can find another opportunity.

I appreciate the invite for the play date! If I ever make it to Wasilla, I'll take you up on it. I lived in Fairbanks when I was a kid and my dad is still there. I was there last fall for a dall sheep and grizz hunt. I had plans to go agian this year for Forty Mile caribou, but I just couldn't get away...
Right on, the country of the 40-Mile herd is amazing for sure. I’ve hunted that country a couple time for my ex’s dall hunt in the Tok unit and then my daughter’s sheep in the Mount Harper unit. The eastern Alaska Range through the Wrangells is all awesome country.

I’m down in Soldotna, not Wasilla, but invite stands if ever in the area. And I can’t recall when the big bore shoot around the DFW area is set for. I saw the double rifle society I believe make reference to it within the last few months and sponsorship by Heym and a couple others, but haven’t seen anything more, thought it was October maybe, but there are always a few events it seems every year and I keep thinking about trying to get a few buds to bring a DR or two along to SCI for a non-show afternoon of fun.
 
Right on, the country of the 40-Mile herd is amazing for sure. I’ve hunted that country a couple time for my ex’s dall hunt in the Tok unit and then my daughter’s sheep in the Mount Harper unit. The eastern Alaska Range through the Wrangells is all awesome country.

I’m down in Soldotna, not Wasilla, but invite stands if ever in the area. And I can’t recall when the big bore shoot around the DFW area is set for. I saw the double rifle society I believe make reference to it within the last few months and sponsorship by Heym and a couple others, but haven’t seen anything more, thought it was October maybe, but there are always a few events it seems every year and I keep thinking about trying to get a few buds to bring a DR or two along to SCI for a non-show afternoon of fun.
Sorry, not sure where I got Wasilla from. We usually hunt bou off the Steese near Central, got my sheep and grizz in the Alaska Range. I love that country, it will always be home. Much different from where I am now in SC! I will be going to DSC in Atl and SCI in Nashville this year. @RIGBY should set up a shoot at one or both of those!
 
@Steppone I was and still am in the same
situation as you. I have the same hyper fixation bug that you do….. I went to Africa for the first time this year and fell in love. I’m going back next year for a buffalo among other things and bought a Merkel double for that hunt.

Then I plan on being back in 2030 for an Elephant, therefore I just ordered two completely custom “pimped out” double rifles from Bailey Bradshaw out of Texas. Mine is a 500 NE with 470,450/400,500/416 and 20 gauge barrels. The other is inevitably for my son when he comes of age but I will definitely get some use out of it first, it is a 375 Flanged with 7x57r and 28 gauge barrels. Obviously it doesn’t have the mystic of the British made rifles and I’m thankful to myself that I don’t have the British Bug :).

Just letting you know I know how you feel!l Same as you I didn’t want to wait and wanted to get my order in as soon as possible, although my quoted wait time is approximately 2 years. That already sounds like an eternity in my head, I couldn’t imagine staring down 5 years!
 
@Steppone I was and still am in the same
situation as you. I have the same hyper fixation bug that you do….. I went to Africa for the first time this year and fell in love. I’m going back next year for a buffalo among other things and bought a Merkel double for that hunt.

Then I plan on being back in 2030 for an Elephant, therefore I just ordered two completely custom “pimped out” double rifles from Bailey Bradshaw out of Texas. Mine is a 500 NE with 470,450/400,500/416 and 20 gauge barrels. The other is inevitably for my son when he comes of age but I will definitely get some use out of it first, it is a 375 Flanged with 7x57r and 28 gauge barrels. Obviously it doesn’t have the mystic of the British made rifles and I’m thankful to myself that I don’t have the British Bug :).

Just letting you know I know how you feel!l Same as you I didn’t want to wait and wanted to get my order in as soon as possible, although my quoted wait time is approximately 2 years. That already sounds like an eternity in my head, I couldn’t imagine staring down 5 years!
Wow, sounds like a great set up and I knew I couldn't be alone! I asked about adding a set of shotgun barrels but was told it would be tough to get the balance right. 5 years is going to be agony, hopefully it's worst case scenario. The longer it takes me to make up my mind, the farther away that 5 years is...
 
Just got back from Africa and hunted buffalo and hippo with my Rigby Shikari in 500 NE. If elephant is on your list that is the caliber I would choose. If you can afford to get 2 sets of barrels like @Tanks did then I would get 500 NE and 450/400 NE.

Full disclosure, I did shoot an elephant at 10 yards with frontal brain shot with my 450/400 Heym earlier this year. But I do love my Rigby in 500 NE.
 
I was the first one to order a Shikari with a .500 NE (red dot) and a .450/400 barrel (scoped) to go with it. The .500 is regulated at 50 yards and the .450/400 at a 100.

Got two cape buffalo with the .500 at Namibia last week.
Not to sidetrack, but is your Rigby (wrong trigger config.) fixed?
 
Have you tried to find a double state side? I would think you could find a classic British double? I know others have imported them from overseas also.
 
I am enjoying all of the feedback and advice. I know in the end a custome DR is going to cost a small fortune and I'm ok with that. I have an extensive gun collection already (mostly modern and transferable MGs) so I'm not afraid to spend money on my toys. That is one of the reasons I work so hard. Plus as a peace offering, I told my wife we get to London to pick out the wood, final engraving options and fitting when the time comes.

I know there are plenty of options and opinions for what is best to use on certain types of African game, but I can't escape the thought of hunting dangerous game with a British double. I'm sure this won't be my only double, but it may be the only one that is truly made for me and the thought of it taking 5 years is agonizing. That is why I don't want to wait until after my trip, patience is not a virtue I posses.

To be honest, I've never had the opportunity to shoot a double or even know anyone personally that owns one that I could shoot. I did see the event at Mallards you refered to but I'll be out of the country then. Hopefully I can find another opportunity.

I appreciate the invite for the play date! If I ever make it to Wasilla, I'll take you up on it. I lived in Fairbanks when I was a kid and my dad is still there. I was there last fall for a dall sheep and grizz hunt. I had plans to go agian this year for Forty Mile caribou, but I just couldn't get away...
I’m in the same boat as yourself I want to also purchase a larger double in 500NE. You could also purchase a smaller double to use in the meantime locally while you wait for your .500.

I’ve got a 9.3x74r Chapuis which is a pleasure to use…..the gateway drug to double rifles !
 
Just got back from Africa and hunted buffalo and hippo with my Rigby Shikari in 500 NE. If elephant is on your list that is the caliber I would choose. If you can afford to get 2 sets of barrels like @Tanks did then I would get 500 NE and 450/400 NE.

Full disclosure, I did shoot an elephant at 10 yards with frontal brain shot with my 450/400 Heym earlier this year. But I do love my Rigby in 500 NE.
Awesome! I guess my biggest question has become why not just go with the 500NE and skip the 450/400. Is it too much for buffalo?
 
Have you tried to find a double state side? I would think you could find a classic British double? I know others have imported them from overseas also.
Yes, I am looking for a less expensive double stateside but I figure if I'm going to spend that kind of money I'd like to have a hand in the design and they will regulate it with ammo with my choosing.
 
I’m in the same boat as yourself I want to also purchase a larger double in 500NE. You could also purchase a smaller double to use in the meantime locally while you wait for your .500.

I’ve got a 9.3x74r Chapuis which is a pleasure to use…..the gateway drug to double rifles !
That's what I'm thinking. I'd like to buy a smaller one to get the feel and basic operation down.
 
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Awesome! I guess my biggest question has become why not just go with the 500NE and skip the 450/400. Is it too much for buffalo?
There is no cartridge that is “too much” for Buffalo. Like the saying referenced in Ruark’s Horn of the Hunter…approximate…that if the first shot doesn’t drop the buff, turn next 14 might not either. And think they were talking about with 416 Righy.

Great example is the YouTube video of Sundles from Buffalo Bore shooting a buffalo with his 600NE. Not saying they were well placed, but he shoots the darn buffalo several times. And most of the shots the buffalo doesn’t even seem phased. He basically emptied his culling belt. Once adrenaline hits them…they are the most incredible boulder of fury.

If all I hunted were elephant, I only use 450NE regulated for 500gr bullets, super deep penetration and perfect for ele. When I bought my 500NE, it was mainly because I love seeing the impact of well placed big bullets upon buffalo.

And for the 450/400, @Franco here on the forum has shot more than a couple Ele and buffalo and a slew of other things..even a shark with his Heym 450/400. He also had one incident that got western with a herd of Ele and that led him to move up from the 450/400 to 500 when specifically hunting elephant. Maybe he’ll chime in here as well. Not sure he likes the 500 as much as his 450/400, but both are splendid for many situations.

The 450/400 is a true joy to shoot and carry.
 
Not to sidetrack, but is your Rigby (wrong trigger config.) fixed?
No. They are building me a new one. In the meantime they told me to use it and abuse it.
I shot two buffalo with the .500 barrel two weeks ago.
 

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