Is the 500 Jeffery really superior to the 458 Lott in stopping power?

Just a warning about handloading the Jeffery. They are notorious for not feeding well. The original bullet I think was 535gr with a particular nose shape? They do make 500gr, 570gr, and 585gr bullets for the caliber, but they may not feed well from the 500J magazine. If there was one negative critique of the 500J, it is that the bullet shape and grain weight matters a lot for feeding in that cramped action. Dreams of wonderous varieties of bullet choices are probably misplaced.

On the other hand, the 500NE is limited to ONE bullet weight, just like the 470NE. They both seem to get the job done with their wings clipped at 570gr and 500gr respectively.
This post is a bit much for me to stay silent. I’ve been shooting a 20 shoulder degree .500 Schüler (Jeffery) for well over 20 years. IT HAS NEVER ONCE HAD ANY FEEDING PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. It has fed 535 gr, 570 gr, 600 gr both handloads and factory ammo with soft, solid, and monometal bullets with ease.
 
This post is a bit much for me to stay silent. I’ve been shooting a 20 shoulder degree .500 Schüler (Jeffery) for well over 20 years. IT HAS NEVER ONCE HAD ANY FEEDING PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER. It has fed 535 gr, 570 gr, 600 gr both handloads and factory ammo with soft, solid, and monometal bullets with ease.

I don't own a 500 Jeffery, but I've brought bullets to Africa for two different Jeff owners that could not get proper feed with all bullet types. Both rifles were built for the Woodleigh (Kynoch) 530gr bullets and would not feed properly with other brands or other nose contours.
 
A 500J is basically 4-5 rounds of 500NE. A definite professional’s weapon.
By this you mean in destructive power or akin to firing 4-5 shots of the 500 ne?
 
I don't own a 500 Jeffery, but I've brought bullets to Africa for two different Jeff owners that could not get proper feed with all bullet types. Both rifles were built for the Woodleigh (Kynoch) 530gr bullets and would not feed properly with other brands or other nose contours.
Then with that super-small sample you don’t have an informed comment. I’ve shot several .500 Jeffery’s over the years including the Blaser R8. NONE had any feeding issues.

You build or buy a piece of junk rifle in any cartridge chambering you care to name and all you have is a piece of junk.
 
By this you mean in destructive power or akin to firing 4-5 shots of the 500 ne?

I mean it does the same work. A 500 Jeff and a 500NE are basically the rimmed and rimless equivalents. One makes a much faster second shot, the other is slower but has 4 or more rounds. Both are professionals weapons. (or committed elephant hunter)
 
Just a warning about handloading the Jeffery. They are notorious for not feeding well. The original bullet I think was 535gr with a particular nose shape? They do make 500gr, 570gr, and 585gr bullets for the caliber, but they may not feed well from the 500J magazine. If there was one negative critique of the 500J, it is that the bullet shape and grain weight matters a lot for feeding in that cramped action. Dreams of wonderous varieties of bullet choices are probably misplaced.

On the other hand, the 500NE is limited to ONE bullet weight, just like the 470NE. They both seem to get the job done with their wings clipped at 570gr and 500gr respectively.
I'm glad someone brought this up,...becasue it's for sure true. I have had the same experience. 570 and 600gr Woodleigh, as well as the 570 gr Hornady did not work well in my rifles. My rifles were a Sterling Davenport Standard Mauser 98 with the center feed conversion, and a GMA that was built on the action Roden designed for the 500J. The heavier projectiles are a little longer if I remember correctly, and because they must achieve a pretty sharp angle coming out of the magazine they would at times bind and dent the brass just below the shoulder, sometimes the 570gr Woodleigh would scrape off part of the lead on the mouth of the chamber. The 500 Jeffery is one of those calibers that the rifle needs to be built from start to finish to work with certain bullets. I can only speak from my experience....I never had a single issue with 535gr, Woodleigh softs or solids, or Barnes 535gr solids. And just because the 500 NE and teh 500 Jeff share a diameter, don't assume the NE bullets are going to function in a 500 J bolt gun.
 
I mean it does the same work. A 500 Jeff and a 500NE are basically the rimmed and rimless equivalents. One makes a much faster second shot, the other is slower but has 4 or more rounds. Both are professionals weapons. (or committed elephant hunter)
.500 NE 570 gr at 2150 fps for 5,800 ft-lbs
.500 Jeff 570 gr at 2500 fps for 8,000 ft-lbs

They are definetly not rimmed and rimless equivalents.
 
.500 NE 570 gr at 2150 fps for 5,800 ft-lbs
.500 Jeff 570 gr at 2500 fps for 8,000 ft-lbs

They are definetly not rimmed and rimless equivalents.

In capability. Do you want two 570NEs at 2150FPS in .25 seconds, or 4 at 2500FPS in 3 seconds?

Splitting hairs, until a 577NE enters the chat.
 
I'm glad someone brought this up,...becasue it's for sure true. I have had the same experience. 570 and 600gr Woodleigh, as well as the 570 gr Hornady did not work well in my rifles. My rifles were a Sterling Davenport Standard Mauser 98 with the center feed conversion, and a GMA that was built on the action Roden designed for the 500J. The heavier projectiles are a little longer if I remember correctly, and because they must achieve a pretty sharp angle coming out of the magazine they would at times bind and dent the brass just below the shoulder, sometimes the 570gr Woodleigh would scrape off part of the lead on the mouth of the chamber. The 500 Jeffery is one of those calibers that the rifle needs to be built from start to finish to work with certain bullets. I can only speak from my experience....I never had a single issue with 535gr, Woodleigh softs or solids, or Barnes 535gr solids. And just because the 500 NE and teh 500 Jeff share a diameter, don't assume the NE bullets are going to function in a 500 J bolt gun.
It is not for sure true. My .500 was also built by Sterling Davenport and have had no such problems.
 
In capability. Do you want two 570NEs at 2150FPS in .25 seconds, or 4 at 2500FPS in 3 seconds?

Splitting hairs, until a 577NE enters the chat.
In capability? What do you mean by that? There is no splitting hairs between 8,000 vs 5,800. And if you’re now wanting to induce shooting speed of a double vs a bolt, take a close look at the R8 speed with 2 down and 1up.
 
It is not for sure true. My .500 was also built by Sterling Davenport and have had no such problems.
I'm glad for you, that is very fortunate and adds a lot of flexibility to your rifle. You should post some videos of you shooting the 570gr load at 2500 fps, we all love these sort of things.
 
Yes, it does add tremendous flexibility to my rifle. I appreciate The Great Sterling Davenport’s body of work.
 
Yes, it does add tremendous flexibility to my rifle. I appreciate The Great Sterling Davenport’s body of work.

Your experience owning a custom rifle by one of the top-5 living American Custom Gunmakers is not representative of the totality of "typical" rifles. 500J and 404J are notoriously bad feeders but you'd never experience that when you own one of the best maker's rifles. Congrats on your rifle.
 
Regarding potential feeding issues with the 500 Jeffery, for those that own a Blaser R8, 500 Jeffery any issues? They seem to be reliable from what I’ve read.

My understanding also is the Blaser 500 Jeffery only holds 2 in the magazine plus 1 in the chamber for a total of 3 rounds?
 
Just a warning about handloading the Jeffery. They are notorious for not feeding well. The original bullet I think was 535gr with a particular nose shape? They do make 500gr, 570gr, and 585gr bullets for the caliber, but they may not feed well from the 500J magazine. If there was one negative critique of the 500J, it is that the bullet shape and grain weight matters a lot for feeding in that cramped action. Dreams of wonderous varieties of bullet choices are probably misplaced.

On the other hand, the 500NE is limited to ONE bullet weight, just like the 470NE. They both seem to get the job done with their wings clipped at 570gr and 500gr respectively.
Yes, I know it ;)
This cartridge might be picky to feed well in a classic bolt action rifle. There was a man in the country who built African rifles but for them in .500 Jeffery, he sent them in Belgium to master gunsmiths who knew how to manage the feeding and therefore, to get a reliable rifle.
But if I buy this caliber, it will be with another Blaser R8. Yes, I'm a Blaser man and I took the .458 Lott after an elephant hunting where my PH used a R8 in this caliber. He convinced me to buy the same one and I love it but I keep thinking about the .500 Jeffery.
We like or we hate Blaser, but from my experience with many calibers, everything feeds flawlessly through this rifle, even big flat nose bullets. I have never used it, but I know a little bit a man who has a R8 Professional Hunter in .500 Jeffery and he uses it from time to time in driven hunt. It's a bit overkill for boars and roe deers but he loves it. He never had a jam with several ammunitions and I think several Blaser owners in this forum can vouch about it ?
 
Yes, I know it ;)
This cartridge might be picky to feed well in a classic bolt action rifle. There was a man in the country who built African rifles but for them in .500 Jeffery, he sent them in Belgium to master gunsmiths who knew how to manage the feeding and therefore, to get a reliable rifle.
But if I buy this caliber, it will be with another Blaser R8. Yes, I'm a Blaser man and I took the .458 Lott after an elephant hunting where my PH used a R8 in this caliber. He convinced me to buy the same one and I love it but I keep thinking about the .500 Jeffery.
We like or we hate Blaser, but from my experience with many calibers, everything feeds flawlessly through this rifle, even big flat nose bullets. I have never used it, but I know a little bit a man who has a R8 Professional Hunter in .500 Jeffery and he uses it from time to time in driven hunt. It's a bit overkill for boars and roe deers but he loves it. He never had a jam with several ammunitions and I think several Blaser owners in this forum can vouch about it ?

I'm not a Blaser fan, but I respect people that like them. I would argue that the 3 round limit of the Blaser 500J undermines the caliber a bit. But if you're happy with it and you don't own a double rifle, you're close enough. I just don't like playing with transformers or go-bots. :)
 
I've owned and hunted with both 458 Lott and 500 Jeff (only the Lott on DG - Asiatic Buffalo). Sold them both last year due to declining health when they started hurting me too much. The 458 Lott recoils "faster" and the 500 J "harder" in my experience.
R eight has a 500 J in his Blaser R8 and it is more pleasant to shoot (and feeds faultlessly) than either of my bolt guns (Montana Custom Lott and Sako 85 500 J).

I now have a Sauer 404 in 404 Jeff as my "big gun".
 
Just a warning about handloading the Jeffery. They are notorious for not feeding well. The original bullet I think was 535gr with a particular nose shape? They do make 500gr, 570gr, and 585gr bullets for the caliber, but they may not feed well from the 500J magazine. If there was one negative critique of the 500J, it is that the bullet shape and grain weight matters a lot for feeding in that cramped action. Dreams of wonderous varieties of bullet choices are probably misplaced.

On the other hand, the 500NE is limited to ONE bullet weight, just like the 470NE. They both seem to get the job done with their wings clipped at 570gr and 500gr respectively.
Mine is built on a Brno ZKK62 action no feeding issues or case capacity issues with any of the heavier bullets
 
I must say that I am also a lucky winner of a 500J that feeds as fast as I can swing the lever.

@rookhawk it is interesting what you say about the nose profiles, I see the tendency here in Sunny SA nowadays is to keep the nose profiles the same across the weights and just add to the back end. But so far so good, all the bullets in varying weights I have used are all feeding like butter.

My own personal feeling is, that with a magnum action, the short round gets more time to line up straight with the chamber and then enters cleanly, as opposed to the bullet still hitting the side/edge of the chamber as it bounces in. Hence the argument for the benefit of a magnum length action.
 
I must say that I am also a lucky winner of a 500J that feeds as fast as I can swing the lever.

@rookhawk it is interesting what you say about the nose profiles, I see the tendency here in Sunny SA nowadays is to keep the nose profiles the same across the weights and just add to the back end. But so far so good, all the bullets in varying weights I have used are all feeding like butter.

My own personal feeling is, that with a magnum action, the short round gets more time to line up straight with the chamber and then enters cleanly, as opposed to the bullet still hitting the side/edge of the chamber as it bounces in. Hence the argument for the benefit of a magnum length action.
I must say you will be looking very far and wide for someone else than @DWB who can work a bolt fast and hard, so far he has had no feeding issue with his 500 Jeff built by a proper smith and on a magnum action. His 450 Rigby and 404 Jeff from recolection has had feeding issues that has been sorted over the time. But then again gun companies could easily hire @DWB to stress test their feedings in actions and will easily find out if it works or not.
 

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