The .308 and the Silencer: My South African Experience

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When I went to South Africa to hunt, I used a .308 Winchester with a sound suppressor. I had heard frequent stories about them, being recommended by hunters, firearms enthusiasts, and of course manufacturers : a sound suppressor, or silencer, on rifles. The idea seemed compelling. Less noise would be easier on my ears, more comfortable for the hunting party, not alert other game, and perhaps make the rifle more pleasant to shoot. After using the combination in the field, however, I came away with a decidedly different opinion.


My experience was that the silencer provided only a modest reduction in perceived noise. I would estimate that the rifle sounded perhaps 30 percent quieter than it did without the suppressor. That is certainly an improvement, but it was nowhere near the dramatic difference I had expected from all the enthusiasm surrounding these devices.


The more significant problem was what the silencer did to the rifle’s handling.


A suppressor adds considerable weight to the very end of the barrel. That may not sound like much on paper, but the effect on a hunting rifle is substantial. A rifle that normally feels lively and well balanced suddenly becomes muzzle-heavy. Carrying it over long distances becomes decidedly less comfortable.


For me, the biggest concern was safety. In African hunting, as in any hunting environment, controlling the direction of the muzzle is fundamental. A rifle should naturally point where you want it to point, and it should be easy to maintain control while walking, climbing, negotiating obstacles, or moving around other members of the hunting party. The added weight at the muzzle made that much more difficult.


The problem was not simply that the rifle became heavier. It was that the weight was in the wrong place. A few ounces added close to the shooter’s shoulder would have a very different effect than the same weight hanging several inches beyond the end of the barrel. The suppressor changed the rifle’s balance and handling characteristics in a way I found distinctly unpleasant.


This raises an important question: What are hunters actually gaining in exchange for that compromise?


There are legitimate advantages to suppressors. They can reduce the sound reaching the shooter’s ears and may reduce recoil and muzzle blast. In some circumstances, those benefits can be significant. But hunting is not conducted on a shooting range. A hunting rifle must be carried for hours, handled safely around people, and brought quickly and naturally into a firing position. Those considerations matter enormously.


My South African experience convinced me that the benefits did not outweigh the disadvantages for me. The reduction in noise was relatively modest, while the deterioration in balance and handling was immediately apparent.


I suspect the current enthusiasm for hunting suppressors will eventually prove to be something of a marketing phenomenon. As more hunters gain experience with them in the field, rather than simply evaluating them on a shooting bench, some may reach the same conclusion I did: a suppressor solves a problem, but creates another one that may be more important.


For my next African hunt, I expect to nix the silencer. I would rather carry a well-balanced rifle that handles naturally and allows me to maintain easy positive control of the muzzle than sacrifice those characteristics for a relatively small reduction in noise.


In hunting, control, balance, and safety outweigh any modest reduction in noise.
 
I suspect the current enthusiasm for hunting suppressors will eventually prove to be something of a marketing phenomenon. As more hunters gain experience with them in the field, rather than simply evaluating them on a shooting bench, some may reach the same conclusion I did: a suppressor solves a problem, but creates another one that may be more important.


For my next African hunt, I expect to nix the silencer. I would rather carry a well-balanced rifle that handles naturally and allows me to maintain easy positive control of the muzzle than sacrifice those characteristics for a relatively small reduction in noise.


In hunting, control, balance, and safety outweigh any modest reduction in noise.

In countries where silencers are not heavily regulated like the US, they are used more often than not. There is a reason for that, their benefit far outweighs their downsides in most situations.

I think seeing them as a fad or marketing phenomenon, as you said, is flawed thinking. They aren't new, and they aren't a passing interest. Countries where they are allowed freely, they are the norm. If the current attempt at deregulation in the US stays permanent, they will be the norm here among most shooters especially younger ones. The older generation who dislikes them because they grew up not using them will pass on and the newer generation will adopt them for their benefits.

I don't say that disparagingly, it is just the reality of what will happen based on how it has played out essentially everywhere they are freely allowed.
 
But understand that the silencers used in South Africa are low quality, large, and very heavy. You get what you pay for.

US made quality titanium suppressors are much different. For instance my ThunderBeast weighs 6oz and is only 5" on my 300wm and it doesn't change the handling characteristics at all. Modern hunting suppressors are not made to be super quiet.

I wouldn't let your one time experience shape your opinion so much.
 
If you don’t like them that’s fine. I don’t understand it, but different strokes for different folks. It does change the balance some, but the weight on the end of the barrel reduces muzzle rise. For me that means the second shot is on target more quickly. If you put a 9” can on a 26” rifle barrel, well of course that doesn’t work.

As for sound reduction, you must have had a really poorly designed suppressor. The reduction in muzzle blast is profound in my opinion.

In Africa, we’re not completely there yet, but it’s approaching a point where unsuppressed rifles are viewed as a bit rude, at least for a PG hunt. In most of Europe it’s there already.

They’re definitely not a fad. Maybe try a good setup before you rule them out completely.
 
When I went to South Africa to hunt, I used a .308 Winchester with a sound suppressor. I had heard frequent stories about them, being recommended by hunters, firearms enthusiasts, and of course manufacturers : a sound suppressor, or silencer, on rifles. The idea seemed compelling. Less noise would be easier on my ears, more comfortable for the hunting party, not alert other game, and perhaps make the rifle more pleasant to shoot. After using the combination in the field, however, I came away with a decidedly different opinion.


My experience was that the silencer provided only a modest reduction in perceived noise. I would estimate that the rifle sounded perhaps 30 percent quieter than it did without the suppressor. That is certainly an improvement, but it was nowhere near the dramatic difference I had expected from all the enthusiasm surrounding these devices.


The more significant problem was what the silencer did to the rifle’s handling.


A suppressor adds considerable weight to the very end of the barrel. That may not sound like much on paper, but the effect on a hunting rifle is substantial. A rifle that normally feels lively and well balanced suddenly becomes muzzle-heavy. Carrying it over long distances becomes decidedly less comfortable.


For me, the biggest concern was safety. In African hunting, as in any hunting environment, controlling the direction of the muzzle is fundamental. A rifle should naturally point where you want it to point, and it should be easy to maintain control while walking, climbing, negotiating obstacles, or moving around other members of the hunting party. The added weight at the muzzle made that much more difficult.


The problem was not simply that the rifle became heavier. It was that the weight was in the wrong place. A few ounces added close to the shooter’s shoulder would have a very different effect than the same weight hanging several inches beyond the end of the barrel. The suppressor changed the rifle’s balance and handling characteristics in a way I found distinctly unpleasant.


This raises an important question: What are hunters actually gaining in exchange for that compromise?


There are legitimate advantages to suppressors. They can reduce the sound reaching the shooter’s ears and may reduce recoil and muzzle blast. In some circumstances, those benefits can be significant. But hunting is not conducted on a shooting range. A hunting rifle must be carried for hours, handled safely around people, and brought quickly and naturally into a firing position. Those considerations matter enormously.


My South African experience convinced me that the benefits did not outweigh the disadvantages for me. The reduction in noise was relatively modest, while the deterioration in balance and handling was immediately apparent.


I suspect the current enthusiasm for hunting suppressors will eventually prove to be something of a marketing phenomenon. As more hunters gain experience with them in the field, rather than simply evaluating them on a shooting bench, some may reach the same conclusion I did: a suppressor solves a problem, but creates another one that may be more important.


For my next African hunt, I expect to nix the silencer. I would rather carry a well-balanced rifle that handles naturally and allows me to maintain easy positive control of the muzzle than sacrifice those characteristics for a relatively small reduction in noise.


In hunting, control, balance, and safety outweigh any modest reduction in noise.
Thank you for these thoughts which are all valid. You obviously were using an antiquated stainless steel, long, heavy suppressor. It is easy to see those who borrowed a gun in trophy pics these days due to just what you experienced. In that case all you mention are serious issues. What continues to baffle me, and I've said this many times before, is that it seems no one knows of the Thunderbeast Arms Ultra 5. This short titanium suppressor provides a radically different experience than the one you had with the old suppressor. Kinda like comparing a flint lock with an AR in my mind.
I just perused the competition on short titanium suppressors with the idea of buying one for my son-in-law. I was under the assumption there were many good competitors and surely cheaper ones (it was not for me so why not try to find a cheaper alternative!) to the Ultra 5. I found no reason to purchase a different one for him. Of course I've put the brakes on the purchase to now see how the new rules shake out. Finally after all these years let freedom ring!
I'll challenge the forum. What is better (cheaper, quieter, lighter, shorter) than the Ultra 5? I am in Zim and wish I had mine.(not legal here)

Regards,
Philip
 
20” ish barrel with a suppressor on the end is the perfect setup. If the rifle is set up with a can in mind from the get go, then it is not a hindrance.
Exactly. My R8 .300 Win is 20" and normally wears an Ultra 5. Very handy setup!
 
For me, the biggest concern was safety. In African hunting, as in any hunting environment, controlling the direction of the muzzle is fundamental. A rifle should naturally point where you want it to point, and it should be easy to maintain control while walking, climbing, negotiating obstacles, or moving around other members of the hunting party. The added weight at the muzzle made that much more difficult.
The silencer made the rifle point in unsafe directions? Never had that happen to me haha.

When most people go hunt a farm in SA they use a suppressor for the first time and have the exact opposite experience you had.
They fall in love and usually get one in the states. “Why haven’t I had one before this” is typical.

Different strokes for different folks! People like what they like I guess.

I love my silenced .308 here in Texas.
I can’t agree with only 30% reduction.

It’s so much more pleasant to shoot while not wearing ear protection.

As I said, your take is yours to make, but it’s definitely surprising to hear!
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When I went to South Africa to hunt, I used a .308 Winchester with a sound suppressor. I had heard frequent stories about them, being recommended by hunters, firearms enthusiasts, and of course manufacturers : a sound suppressor, or silencer, on rifles. The idea seemed compelling. Less noise would be easier on my ears, more comfortable for the hunting party, not alert other game, and perhaps make the rifle more pleasant to shoot. After using the combination in the field, however, I came away with a decidedly different opinion.


My experience was that the silencer provided only a modest reduction in perceived noise. I would estimate that the rifle sounded perhaps 30 percent quieter than it did without the suppressor. That is certainly an improvement, but it was nowhere near the dramatic difference I had expected from all the enthusiasm surrounding these devices.


The more significant problem was what the silencer did to the rifle’s handling.


A suppressor adds considerable weight to the very end of the barrel. That may not sound like much on paper, but the effect on a hunting rifle is substantial. A rifle that normally feels lively and well balanced suddenly becomes muzzle-heavy. Carrying it over long distances becomes decidedly less comfortable.


For me, the biggest concern was safety. In African hunting, as in any hunting environment, controlling the direction of the muzzle is fundamental. A rifle should naturally point where you want it to point, and it should be easy to maintain control while walking, climbing, negotiating obstacles, or moving around other members of the hunting party. The added weight at the muzzle made that much more difficult.


The problem was not simply that the rifle became heavier. It was that the weight was in the wrong place. A few ounces added close to the shooter’s shoulder would have a very different effect than the same weight hanging several inches beyond the end of the barrel. The suppressor changed the rifle’s balance and handling characteristics in a way I found distinctly unpleasant.


This raises an important question: What are hunters actually gaining in exchange for that compromise?


There are legitimate advantages to suppressors. They can reduce the sound reaching the shooter’s ears and may reduce recoil and muzzle blast. In some circumstances, those benefits can be significant. But hunting is not conducted on a shooting range. A hunting rifle must be carried for hours, handled safely around people, and brought quickly and naturally into a firing position. Those considerations matter enormously.


My South African experience convinced me that the benefits did not outweigh the disadvantages for me. The reduction in noise was relatively modest, while the deterioration in balance and handling was immediately apparent.


I suspect the current enthusiasm for hunting suppressors will eventually prove to be something of a marketing phenomenon. As more hunters gain experience with them in the field, rather than simply evaluating them on a shooting bench, some may reach the same conclusion I did: a suppressor solves a problem, but creates another one that may be more important.


For my next African hunt, I expect to nix the silencer. I would rather carry a well-balanced rifle that handles naturally and allows me to maintain easy positive control of the muzzle than sacrifice those characteristics for a relatively small reduction in noise.


In hunting, control, balance, and safety outweigh any modest reduction in noise.
I think were being trolled
 
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I used one in South Africa on a 7mmRm
It was a new experience for me but I did not have any problems. A bit longer than normal but that only means it would take longer to get on target or more importantly swing to an unsafe direction.

They are not regulated in New Zealand and are an off the shelf accessory. From watching You Tube the Kiwi folk use them a lot with some preferring a short barrel for heavy growth areas.

They use the term Bushpig a bit to describe or classify their short barrelled scoped rifles. One person seems to have taken offence to the terminology in the thread below

 
The material the suppressor is made from makes a huge difference.
The core design makes a huge difference in sound reduction.
Some of the newer designs not only suppress but direct sound forward, they are not as quite to the ear.
Back over the barrel or a reflex suppressor changes the balance of the rifle in a positive way. Most of the can is behind the muzzle.
 
I just used a 308 with a suppressor on my latest trip to Africa, and I had a similar experience to the OP. It was large and ungainly with modest noise suppression.

However, I have used several suppressors on a variety of guns previously, and I can agree with the sentiments about “you get what you pay for.” A good suppressor is markedly better than a cheap one. However, noise suppression of supersonic ammunition is still significantly less than it is for subsonic ammo.

If you are expecting subsonic suppressed sound levels with supersonic ammo and a cheap can, you will be left disappointed.
 
people are just rushing and putting suppressors on everything before thinking
i have done a few of them for our rifles which clients use.
it is imperative to shorten your barrel, if not a short barrel already. then using a reflex, segmented suppressor, like an Atec. they overlap a few inches over the barrel and then if u dont use all the segments you will end up back to the original length of the rifle or only an inch or 2 longer.
do your homework, think, and then suppress the rifle with correct best suppressor...dont just stick the first suppressor on an already long barrelled rifle then u do end up with what i call a broomstick
i have had clients with setups like this and they dont even fit in the rifle rack on the truck as they are too long

regards
 
Thank you for these thoughts which are all valid. You obviously were using an antiquated stainless steel, long, heavy suppressor. It is easy to see those who borrowed a gun in trophy pics these days due to just what you experienced. In that case all you mention are serious issues. What continues to baffle me, and I've said this many times before, is that it seems no one knows of the Thunderbeast Arms Ultra 5. This short titanium suppressor provides a radically different experience than the one you had with the old suppressor. Kinda like comparing a flint lock with an AR in my mind.
I just perused the competition on short titanium suppressors with the idea of buying one for my son-in-law. I was under the assumption there were many good competitors and surely cheaper ones (it was not for me so why not try to find a cheaper alternative!) to the Ultra 5. I found no reason to purchase a different one for him. Of course I've put the brakes on the purchase to now see how the new rules shake out. Finally after all these years let freedom ring!
I'll challenge the forum. What is better (cheaper, quieter, lighter, shorter) than the Ultra 5? I am in Zim and wish I had mine.(not legal here)

Regards,
Philip

Unfortunately Phil I don’t fully know what you have in the US but in NZ the Oceania Defence line is pretty darn good, I thought the package was empty when mine arrived & it felt like it was made of foam !

I suspect a lot of NZ suppressors will show up in the US if the law stays open, DPT & Oceania I’m sure ?
 
I have shot a lot of different manufacturers over the years. As @Philip Glass says. Thunderbeest Ultra 5 is great. I recently chose the Resilient Jolene S for a 7x57 project. I am very impressed with weight and sound suppression for a fraction of the Thunderbeest cost. There are many good short titanium ones the market right now.
 
I can’t own one at home. But I’ve used them a bit in NZ. My experiences with them are positive. I’m particularly impressed with a T3X in 308 that I’ve used a bit. 16 inch barrel. If I could own one here, Australia, I would.
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You should really set up your rifle to be run suppressed. 20" (or so) barrel, lightweight short can, 5" or so.

If you stuck a 7 or 8" suppressor on a 24 inch barrel, I think you would find it very unwieldly.

To the OP, what was the setup that you ran? Barrel length and configuration, suppressor length, material and weight?
 
There are a wide variety of suppressors, rifles and of course calibers, and each combination will be completely different.

A rifle with a 20" carbon fiber barrel and titanium suppressor is a joy to carry while out hunting. A rifle with a steel 25" barrel with an 8" stainless stell suppressor added can be a heavy, ungainly monstrosity when out in the field.

A carbine in 45ACP caliber firing 850fps ammo with a suppressor added sounds like a heavy book being dropped on a carpeted floor when it's fired. A 300RUM firing over 3,000fps ammo with a suppressor will sound similar to a 22 magnum without a suppressor.

A 22LR rifle with a suppressor and subsonic ammo can produce lower decibel ratings than many air rifles that produce less than half the muzzle energy of the rimfire.

Suppressors can do wonderful things, but the rifle, suppressor, caliber, ammo all have to work as a combination. People unfamiliar with suppressors also have to realize that nothing you see about them in the movies is accurate, and your expectations need to be realistic.
 
My .308 with silencer on a 20" barrel provides very comfortable sound levels and close to zero recoil. For driven shooting that makes a valuble difference, being able to quicker and more accurately follow up a first shot. The short barrel makes balance fair but the silencer is not completely unnoticeable (but almost).

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Barrel length and weight are important with any rifle set up, with or without a suppressor. My Gunwerks 6.5PRC 20” barrell with a 6” can is a magic wand. My 7mm with 24” heavy barrel and 6” suppressor is unwieldy. However, both are affective at reducing the report and muzzle blast. More then once I’ve dropped deer and sheep out of a group and the other animals had no clue what occurred. Sounds like the OG had a poor set up.
 

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