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BigEasy, your response to Redleg’s comprehensive post re: the Palestinian issue is the latest in a long list of purposeful self-deceptions. That self-deception is crystal clear and obvious when you refuse to acknowledge the link between Hamas and the Palestinians and you tell yourself October 7 didn’t happen. You are not only an ignorant fool but a blind, brain-washed one as well.

On the AI front...........

OpenAI said that an autonomous agent powered by its advanced AI models went rogue during a security test and triggered a hack that compromised the infrastructure of AI startup Hugging Face last week.

I would have thought that the UN's raison d'etre was obvious to most with any understanding of foreign policy and our national interests, but perhaps not.

The US played the leading role in the creation of the United nations. It was conceived as an extension of the four great powers fighting the war against the Axis. Its framework was developed in 1944 and 45 in meetings held at Dumbarton Oaks and in San Francisco. At the latter, the charter was signed by 50 nations. Its headquarters was established in New York, clearly, as much as any action, signaling American "ownership" of the project. The location and the nation's key role in its founding would also make it difficult for an isolationist movement to again take root in this country. A subject worthy of a separate discussion as many, to include our Vice President, seem to struggle with the meaning of "America First."

During the subsequent 72 years, the UN has been a useful tool in the pursuit of American national interests, particularly as long as the US maintained its dominant position within it. For instance the US has led coalitions formed or decorated with UN resolutions in Korea, the Gulf War, Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia (a NATO operation supported by UN resolutions.). That dominant position within the organization can be seen to have begun to erode as the UN Security Council failed to authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

But note, the invasion went forward regardless because the US, at the time, believed such action was in its national interests. In short, the neither the UN as an governing body, nor its resolutions, nor its votes, nor its courts, nor its budgetary processes exercise an iota of authority over the US government or its perception of the actions it takes in pursuit of its national interests. The US will adhere to resolutions in its interests and either veto (if originating in the Security Council) or ignore any UN resolution or judgement of the International Court of Justice that conflicts with those national interests.

The subject is typically covered pretty extensively in International Relations 101.

For those of us that are concerned about AI centers, I heard on the news feed this morning that one AI company went rouge and hacked another AI company. The system just did it by itself, to me that’s a little spooky.

Hunt anything said:

For those of us that are concerned about AI centers, I heard on the news feed this morning that one AI company went rouge and hacked another AI company. The system just did it by itself, to me that’s a little spooky.

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An AI data center and a non-AI datacenter are both datacenters. There is no end in sight for the need for data centers. The only question is whether we create buggy whips only policies while our enemies gain global economic hegemony, or we decide to compete. You cannot decide which server rack is dedicated to AWS, Azure, or an AI startup. It's billed as compute cycles to the highest paying tenant of the month. The general masses think they can control this system by arguing its a parking lot but only plumbers can park there, not electricians. Impossible and shortsighted.

The anti-Datacenter crowd has made terrestrial data centers so onerous, uncertain, and expensive that it only would cost 3x TODAY to launch a datacenter into space with a maximum 5 year lifespan. Read that again: we've f'd ourselves so royally through bureacracy and resistance that its only 3x the cost to do business in space. In ten years, it will be equal-money either way and dealing with US citizens will be unnecessary, but by that time we will be so far behind in this major arms race we'll collapse like the empires of Rome, England, and Spain.

As to AIs going rogue, that is real but it also cannot be stopped unless we get a.) International Treaties, and b.) national laws on the use and controls of AI. These concerns are valid but have nothing to do with data centers, power, cooling, or compute.

AI is going to end the careers of 20% of society and its going to enrich the wealth and productivity of 80% of society. If you're not using AI an hour or more a day, you're going to be doomed. Every small business owner can avoid hiring a secretary or admin as just one example of a force multiplier. For job search, you don't write a resume, you write 10,000 resumes based on requirements and do so near instantly as just another example. This is using 1.0 AI and we're on 3.0 quality in the public sphere, 5.0 is ready for release, and 7.0 is being tested under the strictest NDAs in top AI labs. Anyone that believes their livelihood will not be deeply impacted by AI doesn't understand the power of AI. Farming, Manufacturing, Logistics, R&D, Rocketry, Finance, Law, Carpentry, Plumbing, Electrical, the world is changing but this wave of innovation is going to make the 1980s tech revolution look small.

@rookhawk , I didn’t mean to imply that I’m anti data centers, from what I understand there is thousands up and running in the states.

I was just thought it concerning that one can hack another on its own.

They are definitely here to stay and IMO some safe guards are needed so this stuff can’t happen.

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Anyone that believes their livelihood will not be deeply impacted by AI doesn't understand the power of AI. Farming, Manufacturing, Logistics, R&D, Rocketry, Finance, Law, Carpentry, Plumbing, Electrical, the world is changing but this wave of innovation is going to make the 1980s tech revolution look small.

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Exactly. Also, what people are not realizing when they complain about job losses it also lowers the bar for entry into other professions. With the aid of AI people can come up to speed faster and be productive sooner. I am actually hiring people because of AI.

Hunt anything said:

@rookhawk , I didn’t mean to imply that I’m anti data centers, from what I understand there is thousands up and running in the states.

I was just thought it concerning that one can hack another on its own.

They are definitely here to stay and IMO some safe guards are needed so this stuff can’t happen.

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You're correct, there are loads of datacenters in the USA and I've been into many of them. What has changed is this: Starting in the mid-2000s, the kids started building video game PCs that used very powerful Graphics Processing Units (GPUs) that were to calculate and create images on the monitor as fast as humanly possible. The Central Processing Units (CPUs) were no longer the primary need for kids. Along comes bitcoin and the supporting blockchain technology and the "a-ha" moment came about, GPUs, dozens of graphics cards inside a PC/Server was able to rapidly process information with great ease. AI has taken that scenario and accelerated it 100-fold.

The datacenters that exist focused on holding 42-50 "servers" 1.6" thick per rack. Those servers had 8-16 CPUs and they created the reasonable power and cooling demands.

Today, the GPU intensive processing that we'll call "AI" demand for simplicity requires far, far more power and cooling per inch of server rack than any 5 year old data center was built to address. That means that a data center with 100 racks of servers can only handle perhaps 5-10 racks of modern, GPU heavy computing. Huge buildings, not enough power and cooling infrastructure.

Thus, everyone is trying to build new brick and mortar data centers from scratch that have the power capacity, generator backup capacity, and efficient water chillers to handle the cooling needs. It means we're basically starting from zero in a game where it takes 3-5 years to build the physical assets and the bureaucracy and public resistance is guaranteeing we are going to be late or fail to arrive at this major arms race.

It's a really dangerous time when the peasants have torches and pitchforks, unaware that if we lose this race they will literally be using pitchforks for a living.

Meta is building its largest AI data center, Hyperion, in Richland Parish, Louisiana. Backed by a $50+ billion investment, the 4+ million-square-foot campus will deliver 5 gigawatts of compute capacity when fully operational, with the first phase expected online by 2030. [1, 2, 3]
Key Project Details:

• • Location: A 2,250-acre site near Highway LA-183 in Holly Ridge. [1, 2]
  • General Contractors: Built through a joint venture between DPR Construction, Turner Construction, and Mortenson. [1]
  • Job Creation: Employs up to 7,500 construction workers at peak and will create over 1,000 permanent operational jobs. [1, 2]
  • Local Impact: Meta has partnered with Louisiana Delta Community College, offering full scholarships for data center-related trade programs to all Richland Parish high school graduates. [1, 2]
  • Infrastructure & Energy: The project requires significant new power infrastructure, including Meta-funded power plants and over $1 billion in regional utility and road improvements. [1, 2]

fourfive8 said:

BigEasy, your response to Redleg’s comprehensive post re: the Palestinian issue is the latest in a long list of purposeful self-deceptions. That self-deception is crystal clear and obvious when you refuse to acknowledge the link between Hamas and the Palestinians and

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If I said anything that wasn't true in my reply let me know. Please also describe what link between children living in a refuge camp in Gaza, or those in the West Bank have to do with Hamas?

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you tell yourself October 7 didn’t happen.

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Where did I say this? More lies…as usual.

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You are not only an ignorant fool but a blind, brain-washed one as well.

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@Altitude sickness I eagerly await your condemnation and repudiation of these personal insults, and of the seven members who liked his post containing them.

Not sure this is a good idea...........​

U.S. to sign deal today enabling Saudis to enrich uranium​

Washington — The U.S. and Saudi Arabia have reached a commercial agreement for U.S. companies to run nuclear power for the Saudis on Saudi soil, a regional official familiar with the agreement told CBS News.

The agreement is expected to be signed Wednesday at about 1:30 p.m. The commercial deal would have U.S. companies running, not giving, the Saudi government nuclear power on Saudi soil for the nation's use, for purposes like supporting AI data centers.

The deal may allow the Saudis to enrich their own fuel for nuclear reactors.

The corporations involved have not yet been disclosed. Although it's a private-sector deal, Congress would need to be consulted. The Wall Street Journal was first to report the nuclear deal.

AI = the death of humanity by a thousand cuts

Just wait until they build a giant Federal data center that tracks and compiles data on everything you do.
Tracking your purchases, bank accounts, where you travel, what you do and say across the internet.,etc,etc,etc......

Brent in Az said:

AI = the death of humanity by a thousand cuts

Just wait until they build a giant Federal data center that tracks and compiles data on everything you do.
Tracking your purchases, bank accounts, where you travel, what you do and say across the internet.,etc,etc,etc......

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They do that now.

Brent in Az said:

AI = the death of humanity by a thousand cuts

Just wait until they build a giant Federal data center that tracks and compiles data on everything you do.
Tracking your purchases, bank accounts, where you travel, what you do and say across the internet.,etc,etc,etc......

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I think this might be the first thing we see eye to eye on.

Brent in Az said:

AI = the death of humanity by a thousand cuts

Just wait until they build a giant Federal data center that tracks and compiles data on everything you do.
Tracking your purchases, bank accounts, where you travel, what you do and say across the internet.,etc,etc,etc......

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The next thing will be thought police!

I can see it now, the Trump Tower in Timbuktu..........

Brent in Az said:

AI = the death of humanity by a thousand cuts

Just wait until they build a giant Federal data center that tracks and compiles data on everything you do.
Tracking your purchases, bank accounts, where you travel, what you do and say across the internet.,etc,etc,etc......

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In the same way that AI can kill all of humanity, the above can and probably will happen. It isn't AI's fault.

The parallel and related issue you're bringing up is PRIVACY. Our BS government is one of the few civilized ones that cannot create a comprehensive Privacy regulation similar to Europes GDPR or the UK equivelant.

Absence regulations that level a playing field, create guard rails, and punish rule breakers, YES, everything about you is on the Net, monetized, exploited, and leased to the highest bidders.

wesheltonj said:

They do that now.

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Not to the extent that will happen in the future in that federal KGB data center