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Aaron N said:
See the earlier sarcasm comment. You sure care about drug prices and habits of other countries, huh
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Damn right I do, while at a party in Melbourne I saw a young lady taking bumps of powder off of her car key and asked her how much it cost in OZ......

$300 a gram for a powder made with acid and ether, while Gold is currently $166 per gram!

You will never regulate free will/choice out of existence, you will only make the worst people on earth profit from it. Example - Prohibition in the USA, that stroke of idiocy only gave generational wealth to some of the most corrupt families in this country.

Tanks said:
Straw man argument. Not to mention it is pretty hard to get a firearms license in the UK anyway.

Forget the health argument. I will not hire anyone that smokes and have fired guys that smoked during working hours as I feel I am not paying them to take a smoke break every hour. Pot is a given as they would not be able to get a "Clean-Card" which is a work requirement.

Edit: I remember when smoking was banned at bars and restaurants a while back. People complained that they'd lose customers etc., etc.. Did not happen.
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Agreed on the public smoking in enclosed places, I remember when there were smoking sections in restaurants and when I was in college I worked in night clubs that allowed smoking - I could smell my shirt in the laundry hamper the next morning; and I agree business didn't drop when the bans came through they actually went up because lots of people wouldn't go to bars because of the smoke and alcohol sales actually went up; but then again private businesses could have always banned smoking beforehand.

I believe this is the real straw man argument - What people are allowed to do in a public business that has to have their state issued liquor license on display is one thing; telling people they can't smoke a cigarette in their back yard because of when they were born while an elderly person can, is the nanny state personified and begging for a black market; besides bars aways had the option to not allow smoking as the owners right to choose.

Tubby’s Canteen said:
If you tried to ban smoking in the fisheries the whole industry would collapse
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That would be like banning Copenhagen in Texas.......Good luck with that!

Oh and FYI - Australia banned all forms of chewing/smokeless tobacco in 1991 but they still have a black market of people who ship it in; just like the most seized contraband being smuggled into OZ is untaxed cigarettes and its a business worth many millions of dollars.

Just like Washington state in the USA - It's a felony to ship pipe tobacco and cigars into Washington unless you pay the 95% "import tax" to Washington state.
 
deewayne2003 said:
"Just look at Cocaine..... Banned ages ago, yet the British consume more per capita than any place on earth."
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Seen a documentary about London on this topic.
Every night, about 120,000 “lines” of cocaine are consumed there. At least.
This was determined through wastewater testing.
 
Tanks said:
Well, there have been studies that state that small amount of alcohol actually helps.

Moderate Wine Consumption and Health: A Narrative Review - PMC

Although it is clearly established that the abuse of alcohol is seriously harmful to health, much epidemiological and clinical evidence seem to underline the protective role of moderate quantities of alcohol and in particular of wine on health. This ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Tobacco does cause cancer, period. My last wife's mother died of lung cancer, never smoked but all her working life was around people that smoked around her in the office. Second hand smoke got her.
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to be fair sir everything in life can kill people. The government has no place telling people what they can and cannot do as a adult if it’s not hurting someone else.

Also there are documentary’s or you can just look the people up but the oldest man and woman of both black and white races in the US, and I believe the world smoked and drank wine or beer pretty much there whole life.
I say that to say yes cigarettes can cause cancer biology plays a bigger factor and it’s probably the insane amount of addictive chemicals that are allowed to put in them that is killing people).

But there are quite a few multi decade studies over dozens of countries that show that cancer rates for dip,sinus, and hand rolled cigars are statistically insignificant especially with cigars. The us goverment actually rolled back there statement on cigars in 2016 or maybe 2017 because of those findings.

And I believe Sweden has the lowest smoking rate in Europe and has one of the highest snus and nicotine usage per capita in Europe ironically the two countries ahead are also Scandinavian they also have the lowest cancer and cardiovascular disease. Interesting because it seems either Scandinavians have great genetics for alternative tobacco and tobacco other then cigarettes.. or cigarettes may have some chemical that is causing the cancer and it’s not tobacco. I say that because hand rolled cigar users also seem to have no significant increase in cancer compared to non smokers.
 
Aaron N said:
What’s the net benefit for society encouraging tobacco use? At least cocaine raises productivity.
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I don’t and never have done cigarettes however there’s a history to caffeine and nicotine being the possible driver for over the last 500 years for productivity in the west especially during the great wars. The history of the coffee break came about during I believe wwi when that factories realized that the women couldn’t keep up and when they gave them a 10 minute break to have coffee and nicotine they’re productivity shot way up. They are synergistic stimulants(we know this now so it makes sense.)
 
Bongino talking about the radical left that has escalated way beyond being a fringe cult

 
Betterinthebush said:
Since when has any government anywhere cared about the health of their citizens? This isn’t about tobacco use. This is about even stricter control over the governed.
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I’d wager that it’s about healthcare costs
 
deewayne2003 said:
Damn right I do, while at a party in Melbourne I saw a young lady taking bumps of powder off of her car key and asked her how much it cost in OZ......

$300 a gram for a powder made with acid and ether, while Gold is currently $166 per gram!

You will never regulate free will/choice out of existence, you will only make the worst people on earth profit from it. Example - Prohibition in the USA, that stroke of idiocy only gave generational wealth to some of the most corrupt families in this country.


Agreed on the public smoking in enclosed places, I remember when there were smoking sections in restaurants and when I was in college I worked in night clubs that allowed smoking - I could smell my shirt in the laundry hamper the next morning; and I agree business didn't drop when the bans came through they actually went up because lots of people wouldn't go to bars because of the smoke and alcohol sales actually went up; but then again private businesses could have always banned smoking beforehand.

I believe this is the real straw man argument - What people are allowed to do in a public business that has to have their state issued liquor license on display is one thing; telling people they can't smoke a cigarette in their back yard because of when they were born while an elderly person can, is the nanny state personified and begging for a black market; besides bars aways had the option to not allow smoking as the owners right to choose.


That would be like banning Copenhagen in Texas.......Good luck with that!

Oh and FYI - Australia banned all forms of chewing/smokeless tobacco in 1991 but they still have a black market of people who ship it in; just like the most seized contraband being smuggled into OZ is untaxed cigarettes and its a business worth many millions of dollars.

Just like Washington state in the USA - It's a felony to ship pipe tobacco and cigars into Washington unless you pay the 95% "import tax" to Washington state.
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So that I’m clear, What’s your actual argument about what the UK is doing? Do you believe that everything should be legalized with zero govt involvement, or was this just a UK govt bad post?
 
Tanks said:
Straw man argument. Not to mention it is pretty hard to get a firearms license in the UK anyway.

Forget the health argument. I will not hire anyone that smokes and have fired guys that smoked during working hours as I feel I am not paying them to take a smoke break every hour. Pot is a given as they would not be able to get a "Clean-Card" which is a work requirement.

Edit: I remember when smoking was banned at bars and restaurants a while back. People complained that they'd lose customers etc., etc.. Did not happen.
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It’s your business and you are fully entitled to hire and fire who you choose. Also the worker agrees to a standard and upholds it or seeks employment elsewhere.
That is a bit different then a goverment choosing to wholesale ban a substance that has been around for centuries ( lol also one that helped them get rich) while ignoring that nicotine is a stimulant that works on a different receptor then caffeine so you can get a much better level of alertness without crashing when you combine them.
As well as acting as a neuroprotector and antidepressant.
It’s funny if it was only cigarettes I’d be less suspicious but UK, Australia and many western nations including the states have considered banning nicotine in all formats and making it prescriptive. It’s weird when studies are popping up constantly showing that nicotine and especially smoking increases testosterone even more so in younger male adults.
Yet we keep alcohol which as you said is beneficial in small amounts but it is absolutely know to lower testosterone especially beer with is esteogenic from the hops. And is one of the biggest contributing factors to broken family and poor judgment in the world.
 
deewayne2003 said:
Damn right I do, while at a party in Melbourne I saw a young lady taking bumps of powder off of her car key and asked her how much it cost in OZ......

$300 a gram for a powder made with acid and ether, while Gold is currently $166 per gram!

You will never regulate free will/choice out of existence, you will only make the worst people on earth profit from it. Example - Prohibition in the USA, that stroke of idiocy only gave generational wealth to some of the most corrupt families in this country.


Agreed on the public smoking in enclosed places, I remember when there were smoking sections in restaurants and when I was in college I worked in night clubs that allowed smoking - I could smell my shirt in the laundry hamper the next morning; and I agree business didn't drop when the bans came through they actually went up because lots of people wouldn't go to bars because of the smoke and alcohol sales actually went up; but then again private businesses could have always banned smoking beforehand.

I believe this is the real straw man argument - What people are allowed to do in a public business that has to have their state issued liquor license on display is one thing; telling people they can't smoke a cigarette in their back yard because of when they were born while an elderly person can, is the nanny state personified and begging for a black market; besides bars aways had the option to not allow smoking as the owners right to choose.


That would be like banning Copenhagen in Texas.......Good luck with that!

Oh and FYI - Australia banned all forms of chewing/smokeless tobacco in 1991 but they still have a black market of people who ship it in; just like the most seized contraband being smuggled into OZ is untaxed cigarettes and its a business worth many millions of dollars.

Just like Washington state in the USA - It's a felony to ship pipe tobacco and cigars into Washington unless you pay the 95% "import tax" to Washington state.
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Henry hill the man the movie “goodfellas” was made after. Got his first pinch smuggling a truck full of cigarettes from the Carolina’s to New York because the cost was so high from taxes. In the book wiseguys he said he would sell 300 cartons in less then 1hr every day outside the factories.

Where there’s a will there’s a way… or make government regulations and open up opportunities for someone on the other side of the fence
 
Killingtime said:
It’s your business and you are fully entitled to hire and fire who you choose. Also the worker agrees to a standard and upholds it or seeks employment elsewhere.
That is a bit different then a goverment choosing to wholesale ban a substance that has been around for centuries ( lol also one that helped them get rich) while ignoring that nicotine is a stimulant that works on a different receptor then caffeine so you can get a much better level of alertness without crashing when you combine them.
As well as acting as a neuroprotector and antidepressant.
It’s funny if it was only cigarettes I’d be less suspicious but UK, Australia and many western nations including the states have considered banning nicotine in all formats and making it prescriptive. It’s weird when studies are popping up constantly showing that nicotine and especially smoking increases testosterone even more so in younger male adults.
Yet we keep alcohol which as you said is beneficial in small amounts but it is absolutely know to lower testosterone especially beer with is esteogenic from the hops. And is one of the biggest contributing factors to broken family and poor judgment in the world.
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I always gloss over them because I won’t change my habits, but there sure have been a lot of headlines popping up the last few years about how any amount of alcohol is harmful. But as I said, I haven’t looked into it.
 
Killingtime said:
Yo

u are probably more right then you know. Then out to ban those little donuts at the gas stations if they wanted healthier people… but I’m glad they don’t
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I mean, they’ve been talking about “fat tax” for years now.
 
So, after seeing today’s latest Truth post, I’d love an explanation as to how a cognitive test would have disqualified Obama? Agree with his policies or not, he’s been the only articulate and coherent president of the 21st century.
 
Aaron N said:
I always gloss over them because I won’t change my habits, but there sure have been a lot of headlines popping up the last few years about how any amount of alcohol is harmful. But as I said, I haven’t looked into it.
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for decades they had people believing eggs and cholesterol for saturated fats was evil now they find out it’s not and that sugar companies in the 60’s payed off the scientists lol.

Alcohol definitely causes problems for some people. It’s a social lubricant for others. Hell on the 4 decade dip cancer study they found people had the most throat, tongue, and gum cancer in this order.

Drank and smoked cigs
Drank
Smoked cigs
Dip and drank
Dip and smoke cigs
Dip
So the thing that was said to cause mouth cancer on its own was the least likely makes sense if you think about it alcohol kills all the good bacteria in the mouth.
You get one life live it there are so many health conscious people who die every year from genetic.
And countless people who live into their 90’s and even 100’s that drank and smoked and eat what they wanted.
I think people should evaluate what they love most and how they want to live and enjoy their life and do it.
I don’t drink as much cause famous grouse 30yr and the macallan’s that I like tend to be expensive. Suits me fine for special moments.
 
Aaron N said:
I’d wager that it’s about healthcare costs
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Once they own your healthcare. “Universal healthcare for all” they can then dictate your lifestyle. Dirt bikes are risky, smoking ads risk, guns ad risk.

Then you Pay more for your risky lifestyle. And eventually they raise the insurance premiums for firearms so high you can’t afford it so you choose healthcare over guns.
 
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