Did anyone spend any money so far at the Atlanta DSC convention?

We all judge someone on their appearance to a certain degree. In the Army, most of us immediately look at the left shoulder first. However, I believe courtesy costs nothing (and often brings reward).

In high school, I worked at a big gun shop and shooting range in Texas. One afternoon a brown skin young man with a British accent walked in and politely asked to be shown some firearms. He obviously "ain't from around here!" Everyone in the store became too busy to attend to him so over several hours, I patiently answered his 1001 questions and showed him almost everything in the store. He thanked me and left saying I will see you soon. A few days later, this young man walked in with a large entourage. Turned out he was of the UAE royal family. I made the biggest sell in the store's history that day.

Safe shooting
 
We all judge someone on their appearance to a certain degree. In the Army, most of us immediately look at the left shoulder first. However, I believe courtesy costs nothing (and often brings reward).

In high school, I worked at a big gun shop and shooting range in Texas. One afternoon a brown skin young man with a British accent walked in and politely asked to be shown some firearms. He obviously "ain't from around here!" Everyone in the store became too busy to attend to him so over several hours, I patiently answered his 1001 questions and showed him almost everything in the store. He thanked me and left saying I will see you soon. A few days later, this young man walked in with a large entourage. Turned out he was of the UAE royal family. I made the biggest sell in the store's history that day.

Safe shooting
I hadn’t thought about the Army thing… that’s absolutely true.. and I admit I’m 100% guilty of it…

Meet someone new… immediately look at the left shoulder, right shoulder, and left chest, and I think I “know” if they are a good soldier or not, experienced and capable or not, etc…

When the truth is often very different… but… I still did it my entire career in the military.. and everyone else did as well…
 
I’ve been a CEO for just under 7 years and was a COO for the 3 years prior to that.. and spent about a decade in senior management and executive positions for a decade prior to obtaining a COO seat..

While I don’t consider myself “rich”.. there’s a reason we live in a middle class house that’s probably 2 social ladder steps below our means, drive pretty common vehicles (I drive a lower end tundra), etc… hell.. 90% of the time my work wear these days is a hoodie or a t-shirt depending on the weather… I 10000% refuse to play the game.. and have prepared myself to punch out any time that it becomes a requirement…

Thankfully society sees this as less and less of a requirement each day…

But… it’s definitely a “thing” still with older generations… and was still a really big thing even just 20 years ago…

Good luck being considered for a C-Suite position in some companies if you don’t wear these right shoes, own the right watch, drive the right car, have an “appropriate” wife, etc etc..

It’s not limited to work environments either… you’ll see it in social settings too… want to get your kids into private school or join a local country club… have the means to do that with no problem? Cool… but… you better show up wearing these days right watch to the interview.. or you might find yourself without an invitation to join…
I admire your values and financial restraint, because I think humility and being thankful for what we have are some of the finest traits we as humans can possess.

One thing your post, and the direction of this thread highlighted was the judgemental attitude many people have. In many circles it's not only acceptable, but expected and honed to a fine edge.

I see Christians attacked regularly and accused of being judgemental, usually by the very same secular people who look at people's shoes, wristwatches and neckties in order to not only assess wealth or position, but intellect and moral character as well.

It's a very human thing to look at the World around us and make decisions based on what we see and hear. Judging people is something we should all be very careful to avoid for the reasons already posted if nothing else.
 
@skydiver386 I will add something to your comments as I know you would appreciate meeting Dave in person. Not only is the humility there but there is an honorable man in the middle of it. He doesn't talk a lot about himself but he is accomplished in numerous fields and yet really down to earth. Plus, he draws people like that. Perfect example is his relationship with @Bos en Dal SAFARIS...if you ever get a chance to meet Gerrit or his wife, you will see in person that phrase of eagles hanging out with eagles. Fine people that I'm pleased to know. This forum has some great humans in it that I have been able to meet.
 
We all judge someone on their appearance to a certain degree. In the Army, most of us immediately look at the left shoulder first. However, I believe courtesy costs nothing (and often brings reward).

In high school, I worked at a big gun shop and shooting range in Texas. One afternoon a brown skin young man with a British accent walked in and politely asked to be shown some firearms. He obviously "ain't from around here!" Everyone in the store became too busy to attend to him so over several hours, I patiently answered his 1001 questions and showed him almost everything in the store. He thanked me and left saying I will see you soon. A few days later, this young man walked in with a large entourage. Turned out he was of the UAE royal family. I made the biggest sell in the store's history that day.

Safe shooting

I assume you’re speaking of the CIB. That badge is not given out for just being in theatre. I wish all branches had the equivalent of the CIB. Many awards are generic and handed out like participation trophies. Not that one.
 
@skydiver386 I will add something to your comments as I know you would appreciate meeting Dave in person. Not only is the humility there but there is an honorable man in the middle of it. He doesn't talk a lot about himself but he is accomplished in numerous fields and yet really down to earth. Plus, he draws people like that. Perfect example is his relationship with @Bos en Dal SAFARIS...if you ever get a chance to meet Gerrit or his wife, you will see in person that phrase of eagles hanging out with eagles. Fine people that I'm pleased to know. This forum has some great humans in it that I have been able to meet.
Other than our choices in neckties and ink pens, I think @mdwest and I would get along very well. ;)
 
I assume you’re speaking of the CIB. That badge is not given out for just being in theatre. I wish all branches had the equivalent of the CIB. Many awards are generic and handed out like participation trophies. Not that one.
Left shoulder is where the Unit patch and any tabs are sewn. Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces, etc.
 
I assume you’re speaking of the CIB. That badge is not given out for just being in theatre. I wish all branches had the equivalent of the CIB. Many awards are generic and handed out like participation trophies. Not that one.
no.. in the army, the left shoulder is where you wear the patch of the unit you are assigned to...

walking around on Ft. Campbell for example.. there are guys assigned to the 101st Airborne, 5th Special Forces Group, the 160th SOAR (Nightstalkers), and a host of conventional "support" units..

you can immediately tell if someone is in an "elite" unit vs a more conventional and/or support unit just by looking at their left shoulder..

the left shoulder is also where "tabs" are worn.. tabs are given out to people that graduate from many of the armys more difficult schools like Ranger, Special Forces, Sapper, etc.. and the Presidents 100 also are awarded a "tab" (top 100 shooters in the army)...

the right shoulder tells you if someone has been deployed to a combat zone and who they were deployed with... you wear the unit patch of whatever unit you were deployed with there..

So.. for example, if I see a guy with a 101st patch on his left sleeve (with no special tabs), and an SF patch on his right sleeve, I know he deployed with a special forces unit to a combat zone, but was almost certainly in a support role rather than a direct combat role.. and now he is likely doing that same support job for the 101st.. you do get sized up however based on who you deployed to combat with.. its generally known and understood that SOF units got into the fight a whole lot more than conventional units.. and among conventional units light infantry divisions got into the fight a whole lot more than mech units (at least after the first year.. during the first year in Iraq the mech units did A LOT of fighting.. and several units did an exceptional job and covered themselves in glory).. and that active duty units generally saw more action than guard or reserve units, etc..etc..

there are absolutely exceptions to all of the above.. but generally speaking its true.. and people make assumptions..

the left chest is where you see a "CIB".. you also see airborne wings, air assault wings, scuba bubbles, halo wings, medics badges, and a host of other badges.. people definitely make assumptions based on how much fruit salad a soldier is wearing on his left chest.. for example a guy wearing an SF patch and SF tab on his left shoulder.. that also has an SF patch on his right shoulder (career special forces guy that has seen combat with an SF unit) is initially going to be sized up differently than another guy wearing an SF patch on both shoulders, but that also has a set of HALO wings and a Scuba bubble on his left chest.. generally speaking you dont get a shot at HALO or Scuba unless a) youre a stud, and b) have been around the block more than a few times...

Funny thing about the CIB.. its viewed differently today than it was in my day (or so Ive been told at least)... when I served there were only a handful of people running around with a CIB.. there were some vietnam vets still serving.. and grenada, panama, haiti, somalia, and the first gulf war were all limited conflicts that only lasted a short period of time where only a small number of soldiers were deployed (comparitively to the army as a whole).. so the CIB was extremely highly valued... and again, you made some pretty strong assumptions about anyone wearing one..

Today, we're just a few years past a war that lasted 20+ years.. almost everyone other than those that just enlisted within the last 4-5 years has had at least one deployment to a combat zone.. so almost everyone wears a CIB or a CAB or a CMB (the army now awards a Combat Action Badge to non infantry soldiers that have seen combat.. and there has been a Combat Medics Badge for a long time that is awarded to medics that have seen combat).. what guys are valuing more these days are EIB's (Expert Infantry Badges)... simply because the standard to earn an EIB is high, and because of the high deployment rate and fast optempo of the last 25 years, not nearly as many people have had an opportunity to earn them..

In my day it was pretty much assumed if you were an SF guy or an infantry guy and had been around at least 3-4 years, you were going to have an EIB.. no one really cared about them.. it was just something you did.. the CIB was what was important..

but today, everyone has a CIB... and not nearly as many people have EIB's.. so.. the EIB is now highly valued..
 
@skydiver386 I will add something to your comments as I know you would appreciate meeting Dave in person. Not only is the humility there but there is an honorable man in the middle of it. He doesn't talk a lot about himself but he is accomplished in numerous fields and yet really down to earth. Plus, he draws people like that. Perfect example is his relationship with @Bos en Dal SAFARIS...if you ever get a chance to meet Gerrit or his wife, you will see in person that phrase of eagles hanging out with eagles. Fine people that I'm pleased to know. This forum has some great humans in it that I have been able to meet.
Gerrit @Bos en Dal SAFARIS is a pretty good guy.. I've just got you fooled.. Im really something of a cad :D
 
regarding appearance, any woman who is telling the truth will admit that they eye guys up and down to get an idea of the situation. this includes being in shape (im not lol) shoes (i rarely wear nice shoes in an informal setting ) and watches. (this one i have covered ).

i guess it is no difference and is human nature at a show such as the DSC convention. just my humble 2 cents. overall the convention was fantastic in my opinion.
 
Let's see.
Bought the 4th signed edition of "Shooting the British Double Rifle"
Bought a new 1 MOA Trijicon RMR HD for my Rigby .500 NE.
Made the mistake of accepting a latte from Jerome at Rigby, while sitting down I was telling him of my ideal left hand bolt action rifle. He said he could build it for me in London Best configuration, 9.3x62 caliber for driven hunts. Waiting for a final quote.
Waiting on dates for a lion, hippo and 4 buffalo hunt in Tanzania for 2027. Will finalize then.
Waiting on a final quote and dates for a buffalo hunt in Namibia this year.
Waiting on a final quote and dates for red partridge driven hunt in Spain between Nov. 2026 and March 2027.
Found a custom leather case maker. They will make the case for my Rigby with two barrels and the scope and make it to fit inside a pelican take down case. That way I can take it out at camp and go to the back of the Land Rover. Here is a picture of what it will look like but room for two barrels.
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That 9.3 I need to see.... :A Thumbs Up: :D Beers:
 
Yes and you and I agree on the importance of connecting well with the guide. In fact, you gave me excellent advice one time based on one of your experiences. That kind of advice is very important and I have certainly spent many hours on the phone with AH members to answer their questions about my own experiences. That's one of the most valuable things this forum offers; transparency on hunts of all types.

Shit I had better remember not to swear in your WhatsApp then.... :E Rofl:
 
regarding appearance, any woman who is telling the truth will admit that they eye guys up and down to get an idea of the situation. this includes being in shape (im not lol) shoes (i rarely wear nice shoes in an informal setting ) and watches. (this one i have covered ).
So true. I remember talking to my receptionist some years ago and asked her what criteria she uses to evaluate guys. She said I look at their shoes/boots.

At a tennis club in Palo Alto, CA I was sitting with 3 ladies. One of them asked another, "So and so asked me out, you know him, how is he". The woman replied, "he is a nice guy, he has a Porsche".

I bought a 911 Targa the following week and sure enough it worked. :ROFLMAO:
 
I'd be in a retirement home by the time you guys finish building the Rising Bite. A ten-year wait, seriously?
We greatly appreciate your interest in the guns and Rigby is working to increase production for its Rising Bite but training new skilled tradesmen is time consuming.

Other London gunmakers also have very long wait times for their best guns. As a result, some have stopped taking orders. When they start taking orders again, they will sell the guns at the market price existing at that point in the future.

In contrast, Rigby continues to take orders on the Rising Bite and when you place an order, you lock in the purchase at the price in place at the time of yourl order.

The market price at the time of delivery will undoubtably be much higher than it is at the time of the order so continuing to take orders now will ultimately provide a financial benefit to the patient customer.
 
Shit I had better remember not to swear in your WhatsApp then.... :E Rofl:
Laughing...one thing you will appreciate about me Mike is that I won't drain your alcohol supply! I'm happy with a cold soda and good conversation.
 
So true. I remember talking to my receptionist some years ago and asked her what criteria she uses to evaluate guys. She said I look at their shoes/boots.

At a tennis club in Palo Alto, CA I was sitting with 3 ladies. One of them asked another, "So and so asked me out, you know him, how is he". The woman replied, "he is a nice guy, he has a Porsche".

I bought a 911 Targa the following week and sure enough it worked. :ROFLMAO:
the true reality in the world we live in!
 
I spent two days DSC last weekend. I noticed several DG ph’s asked about the rifle I would be taking early on in the conversation and offered a seat soon after my answer. When I mentioned a couple doubles we would have I think that caused them to take us much more seriously.
 
Let's see.
Bought the 4th signed edition of "Shooting the British Double Rifle"
Bought a new 1 MOA Trijicon RMR HD for my Rigby .500 NE.
Made the mistake of accepting a latte from Jerome at Rigby, while sitting down I was telling him of my ideal left hand bolt action rifle. He said he could build it for me in London Best configuration, 9.3x62 caliber for driven hunts. Waiting for a final quote.
Waiting on dates for a lion, hippo and 4 buffalo hunt in Tanzania for 2027. Will finalize then.
Waiting on a final quote and dates for a buffalo hunt in Namibia this year.
Waiting on a final quote and dates for red partridge driven hunt in Spain between Nov. 2026 and March 2027.
Found a custom leather case maker. They will make the case for my Rigby with two barrels and the scope and make it to fit inside a pelican take down case. That way I can take it out at camp and go to the back of the Land Rover. Here is a picture of what it will look like but room for two barrels.
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Can you send me the details of the leathermaker, I would love something like that.
 

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