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spike.t said:

Trump calls Bezos as Amazon says no plan to show tariff price rises

Donald Trump called Amazon founder Jeff Bezos to complain about the plan, which the company said had been rejected.

www.bbc.com

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I have zero issue with them informing consumers about the actual cost tariffs add to products.

I think the issue is the accuracy of that $ amount posted by Amazon. It would be a guess at best. Most likely posted by the MFG. Inflating the amount for tax purposes or political purposes.

spike.t said:

Breaking News: Russian Navy's Submarine "Krasnoyarsk" Successfully Launches Kalibr Cruise Missile Over 1,100 km

Breaking News: Russian Navy's Submarine "Krasnoyarsk" Successfully Launches Kalibr Cruise Missile Over 1,100 km

armyrecognition.com

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This should have been posted by Babylonbee

“This maneuver showcased the submarine's stealth characteristics, enabling it to operate undetected over vast distances before delivering a precision strike.”


And the US Navy will happily play along with this BS.

Both to have them believe we can’t see them and to get more funding.

Hank2211 said:

Overall, I think that Poilievre did a reasonable job, given the very unusual circumstances of this election. I hope (and pray) that my fellow Canadians will soon wake up and see that re-electing those who are responsible for Canada's "lost decade" wasn't the bright idea they may have though it was yesterday. I'd give Poilievre a year and if Carney remains a likely winner between the two, then I'd push for a change. In the meantime, Poilievre needs to become and appear to become more "statesman" like.

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Other perspectives on the election results:

Altitude sickness said:

I think the issue is the accuracy of that $ amount posted by Amazon. It would be a guess at best. Most likely posted by the MFG. Inflating the amount for tax purposes or political purposes.

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Amazon pays the tariffs directly on a lot of the goods, no guess is involved. Inflating for tax basis would be a felony and a different story.

Tanks, If that individual product fell under an across the board 10% tariff for all goods coming from that country. It would be easy to compute and add 10% to that item.


But the tariffs are not all standard or across the board so there is no cookie cutter answer. And that is the chief complaint of the opposition is the variables involved.

Also if China dumped the products in Canada then Amazon sends it from Canada to the US it’s a lower level. So within a week there would be gaming the system. Also an issue. Canada has been helping China bypass past tariffs.

By the way I am all for Amazon and every business posting additional tariff fees. It gives me the transparency to see where I chose to spend my money.

If the item is $10 more made in the US. No tariff. That’s where I’m buying.

Lumenok is already running ads to that effect.

“Guess whose product isn’t going up?”

Is it safe to say that Trump cost the conservatives in Canada the election?

Canadians cost conservatives the election..

Trump certainly was a factor in Canadians making the decisions they made... but ultimately Canadians made the decision.. Trump didn't force anyone to pull a lever, nor did the USG (under Trumps direction) manipulate/hack/interfere with Canadian elections..

The question Canadians chose to focus on was Trump and tariffs.. and put the 9+ years of Trudeau insanity on the back burner.. Carney is Trudeau 2.0.. the new and improved version of the same policies and same practices that got Canada to where it is today.. all of the things the majority of Canadians really dislike... but failed to focus on earlier this week.. their concern over Trump was greater (IMO, a huge mistake)..

Trump will be gone in 3.5 years.. and most likely wont be 1/3 as effective in 18 more months if he continues to operate the way he has been (will lose support of the courts, the congress, and the middle/centrists in the US)...

What Carney will do to Canada will take decades to get out from under..

The focus should have remained on how liberalism has tanked the Canadian economy and culture...

But Canadians chose to think about a short term problem rather than a long term problem (IMO)..

mdwest said:

which isnt actually green at all...

it takes more crude to manufacture and maintain wind power than it does to just use the crude to generate energy in the first place.. then you have to deal with disposal once the system wears out....

at some point solar and wind will very likely make sense.. both are far more efficient than they were 25 years ago... and continue to gain efficiency..

but today I think its a very, very bad move...

in my very best billy bob thornton voice... if wind was the future exxon would be putting windmills all over the fucking place... (they arent... which should be a very, very big indicator)..

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Agreed

90% of those turbine blades are made in China and they are generally replaced every 10 years and what happens to those blades.....


Also the wind energy industry has been issued "eagle take permits" and other exemptions that allow them to operate in areas with endangered birds.

So you can't use ammo containing lead in certain parts of the country to protect condors and such; but you can build wind turbines that will knock them out of the sky.

mdwest said:

Canadians cost conservatives the election..

Trump certainly was a factor in Canadians making the decisions they made... but ultimately Canadians made the decision.. Trump didn't force anyone to pull a lever, nor did the USG (under Trumps direction) manipulate/hack/interfere with Canadian elections..

The question Canadians chose to focus on was Trump and tariffs.. and put the 9+ years of Trudeau insanity on the back burner.. Carney is Trudeau 2.0.. the new and improved version of the same policies and same practices that got Canada to where it is today.. all of the things the majority of Canadians really dislike... but failed to focus on earlier this week.. their concern over Trump was greater (IMO, a huge mistake)..

Trump will be gone in 3.5 years.. and most likely wont be 1/3 as effective in 18 more months if he continues to operate the way he has been (will lose support of the courts, the congress, and the middle/centrists in the US)...

What Carney will do to Canada will take decades to get out from under..

The focus should have remained on how liberalism has tanked the Canadian economy and culture...

But Canadians chose to think about a short term problem rather than a long term problem (IMO)..

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100% bang on. So frustrating.

mdwest said:

Canadians cost conservatives the election..

Trump certainly was a factor in Canadians making the decisions they made... but ultimately Canadians made the decision.. Trump didn't force anyone to pull a lever, nor did the USG (under Trumps direction) manipulate/hack/interfere with Canadian elections..

The question Canadians chose to focus on was Trump and tariffs.. and put the 9+ years of Trudeau insanity on the back burner.. Carney is Trudeau 2.0.. the new and improved version of the same policies and same practices that got Canada to where it is today.. all of the things the majority of Canadians really dislike... but failed to focus on earlier this week.. their concern over Trump was greater (IMO, a huge mistake)..

Trump will be gone in 3.5 years.. and most likely wont be 1/3 as effective in 18 more months if he continues to operate the way he has been (will lose support of the courts, the congress, and the middle/centrists in the US)...

What Carney will do to Canada will take decades to get out from under..

The focus should have remained on how liberalism has tanked the Canadian economy and culture...

But Canadians chose to think about a short term problem rather than a long term problem (IMO)..

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True. Personal decisions are one’s own (obviously). BUT I think it’s fair to say that conservatives would have had a better chance minus Trumps rhetoric. I think he definitely contributed to the loss. Not popular to say but that’s the way I see it

After then appointed Prime Minister met with Trump 6 weeks ago Trump stated it was a good meeting and he felt it would be better to deal WITH A LlIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!! That's what stared the fear Carney focused on and spread.

Wishfulthinker580 said:

True. Personal decisions are one’s own (obviously). BUT I think it’s fair to say that conservatives would have had a better chance minus Trumps rhetoric. I think he definitely contributed to the loss. Not popular to say but that’s the way I see it

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100% true from what I am hearing. Logically it doesn't make sense but people do stupid things all the time and it doesn't make it any less true.

Graham Hunter said:

After then appointed Prime Minister met with Trump 6 weeks ago Trump stated it was a good meeting and he felt it would be better to deal WITH A LlIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!! That's what stared the fear Carney focused on and spread.

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Id imagine it is a whole lot easier to deal with a liberal government if you're on the opposite side of the table in a negotiation..

I'd much prefer to go into hard negotiations against a decision maker that has to appeal to emotionally based backers than have to play in a world of cold, hard, facts...

Trump LOVES to play with peoples emotions.. its a core skill requirement for his negotiation tactics and strategy.. he says bombastic things.. makes accusations.. wildly exaggerates, etc.. for the purpose of getting the other side riled up and focused on the bombastic statement rather than the actual problem that needs to be resolved.. which he then leverages..

Trump also hates China.. and Carney absolutely loves China.. once Carney takes Canada further down the China path it makes it a whole lot easier for Trump to "show" America that his decision to hammer Canada with tariffs, over matters of border security, etc.. was correct.. it makes it easy to paint Canada as a bad actor and get the US to support his actions.. no different than Carney has painted Trump (and the US) as bad actors for Trumps statements..

I'd guess Carney is exactly who Trump wanted in office.. its going to be a whole lot easier to get what he wants now than it would have been with Polievre.. Canadians will hate him for it.. but since when has Trump ever cared about who hates him? He thrives on it from what I can tell... as do most of the hard right MAGA supporters..

Trump knew exactly what he was doing.. it wasn't a mistake.. it was a purposeful move...

Texas, y’all need to wake up.