Advice on double rifle for wild hogs

[Tanks]

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I hunt with my doubles for fun, but when something HAS to die, I use my old M70 .308.
Same for my M19 .357 Mag.

Well, heading to Zim in 6 days for a bunch of animals that HAVE to die. Taking a pair of double rifles for fun AND functionality.

 

[crs]

Best wishes for a fun and safe trip!

 

[IvW]

9.3x74R
Or try find a 45-70 Pedersoli double hammer job

 

[Round Ball]

If you can get hold of a Ruger Red Label or Gold Label, you could have it turned into a double rifle for a whole lot less than the vast majority of factory or custom double rifles.

Calibers like the 45/70, 9.3X74R and 405 Winchester are three of the most popular cartridges in these conversions.

Round Ball

 

[Tanks]

Just do a search on www.gunsinternational.com for "9.3x74R" you will find some Chapuis and Merkel doubles alongside others at very reasonable prices that will not break the bank.

 

[Red Leg]

If you can get hold of a Ruger Red Label or Gold Label, you could have it turned into a double rifle for a whole lot less than the vast majority of factory or custom double rifles.

Calibers like the 45/70, 9.3X74R and 405 Winchester are three of the most popular cartridges in these conversions.

Round Ball

By a competent gunsmith/maker? Don't think so.

 

[IvW]

If it is a double shotgun use slugs

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

If you can get hold of a Ruger Red Label or Gold Label, you could have it turned into a double rifle for a whole lot less than the vast majority of factory or custom double rifles.

Calibers like the 45/70, 9.3X74R and 405 Winchester are three of the most popular cartridges in these conversions.

Round Ball

@Round Ball
Didn't ruger market them with 20 gauge and 45-70 or 9.3x74 as a matched pair at one stage.
Bob

 

[Round Ball]

By a competent gunsmith/maker? Don't think so.

Yes! Been building them for years.

Round Ball

 

[Round Ball]

@Round Ball
Didn't ruger market them with 20 gauge and 45-70 or 9.3x74 as a matched pair at one stage.
Bob

Bob,

I am not aware of Ruger having done that, but anything is possible I guess.

Me personally, I latched onto one of their 12 ga. Gold Labels and had to send it back to the factory two different times to get it to function like what it was supposed to. Now, after it's transformation, I will not part with it for no amount of money!

Round Ball

 

[ANW0407]

If you can get hold of a Ruger Red Label or Gold Label, you could have it turned into a double rifle for a whole lot less than the vast majority of factory or custom double rifles.

Calibers like the 45/70, 9.3X74R and 405 Winchester are three of the most popular cartridges in these conversions.

Round Ball

Who can do the conversion?

 

[freefall]

If you're wanting a double .45-70, drop me a line.
I'm wanting a .450 NE.

 

[crs]

There are several competent gun makers in the US and one of them wrote the book on such conversions. http://www.bundukipublishing.com/doublerifle.htm
Ellis is now working on the third version of his book, I have V2 and found it interesting and educational - I am just a gun nut, not a gun smith or gun maker.
There are also at least two excellent gunmakers in East Texas and one up in Oklahoma. Lord knows how many there in the whole country.

 

[crs]

"223 or 243 because the bullet failed to get thru the fighting pads."
Thank you for bringing this up.
I have been hearing about "fighting pads" for years and have never seen such that can resist even a .243 or .308. The issue may be the bullets being used, as I have shot feral hogs from their tails to their nose and never seen fighting pads. When I asked my game processor to show some to me , it was nothing that would slow down a good bullet at a proper angle.
I saw a picture of a 1200 pound Russian Boar taken from a half track and it was shot with a military rifle, not a cannon.
Has anyone else had bullets bounce off "fighting pads" If so, please explain how that works.

 

[CBH Australia]

everyone:

i could use some advice ---- one of the relatively crazy things I do is hubt wild hogs in southern florida --- this is done usually over dogs from a contaption known as a swamp buggy---so it involves rapid target aquistion, multiple people and dogs....sometimes shooting from the ground (my favorite ) --- in this situation, a break open gun that can be closed at the last minute and has fast bewteen the hands balance has great appeal (I should add I am totally addicted to side-by-side shotguns). Now , the perfect caliber for this is a 45-70 and I have successfully used a lever action in that caliber but it makes me nervous----now, no doubt I could have a custon 45-70 double rifle made but i wonder if I should get a "normal" double rifle, like a 470 NE and use appropriately modified loads ? -- thats really my question, would 470 NE solids at some slightly reduced velocity do reasonable damage to a 150-200 lb hog and not be totally destructive---I really like to eat thrm

That sounds like fun.

Few 45-70 Baikal doubles on GB right now.

That does not! I bet it hurts both ends

my Baikal 12 gauge has nasty sharp kick

Agree. Another scenario which is very common in Europe, is a hunt for driven boar. Again these are big animals, typically on the run offering fleeting shots that need to do decisive damage when they hit. The 9.3x74R was created with those requirements in mind.

That sounds like fun, Driven Boar would be a great experience I think.

 

[CBH Australia]

It's a thing,they have tough , Grissle like membrane under the skin on the shoulder.

I have shot pigs withvarioise carriages up to .300wm and headshot pigs with a .223 and they were dead right there. Only movement was down.

I shot a pig in the shoulder at 30 odd metres, the168gn Zmax projectile from my .308 smashed up on impact and left like a large shallow flesh wound on shoulder shield. O think the projectile was to fragile for the speed at the distance. A head shot penetrated and killed it.
I shot a pig half an hour earlier with the same at >100metres, I believe as the bullet had slowed a little and that first pig was a head shot the bullet penetrated and dropped it cold.

When you get the chance curve up a big Wild hog yourself and you will find the shoulder shield is quite tough.

 

[Round Ball]

Who can do the conversion?

I have been doing them for the past 30 years.

Depending on action type, a good SxS 12 ga. can be turned into a 45/70 double rifle.

Round Ball

 

[CBH Australia]

I have been doing them for the past 30 years.

Depending on action type, a good SxS 12 ga. can be turned into a 45/70 double rifle.

Round Ball

Is that .45-70 only?

Is it to do with working pressures or can other cartridges commonly chambered in a doubles be done?

 

[gizmo]

Sabatti makes a great double in 45-70. It’s relatively inexpensive and is a great gun. Contact IFG or there is probably several new ones on gun broker. It’s a pretty popular gun.

 

[Round Ball]

Is that .45-70 only?

Is it to do with working pressures or can other cartridges commonly chambered in a doubles be done?

Yes.

Yes, it has to do with the working pressure limits.

I use to do these in the 9.3X74R, 444 Marlin, 30-30 and others, but found it much easier and simpler to stick with just one cartridge. This way, brass, bullets, barrels, and all gun work was greatly simplified.

From a cost standpoint, a double rifle from Baikal was a whole LOT less expensive than building one.

Round Ball