Politics

My sister in Toluca lake California, called me to say they are murdering people in Minneapolis, I had to explain to her , “ that’s what happens when you don’t follow a lawful order and start fighting the law enforcement system, apparently it’s ok to fight with the local police as their jobs are being diminished by local elected officials !

Around here when I interact with law enforcement, I keep hands 10 & 2 window down , act politely, because only idiots FAFO and get a free ride to jail or tazzed, shot !
Apparently the west coast and Great Lakes area it’s ok to throw rocks, frozen water bottles, hands , bullets with LEO’s and never back down from a lawful order?
Like i agree theres alot of people being stupid. Like SUV girl if i had 4 cops saying get out of the car i would comply.
She was an idiot. But at the same time intentionally putting yourself in front of a ton of steel thats running with a non compliant person whos only crime is really being annoying at the time. Your creating the hazard tobyourself so you can escelate the situation
And get an easy felony assault on a officer charge if you get the slightest bump.. both people were wrong. But its not a good shoot. Legal maybe but not clean.

Same with this shooting. 1 theres not enough evidence to make a good conclusion currently.
But based on whats currently available he was armed but no indication he was using or attempting to use a firearm. They wouldnt have tried wrestling him if he had a gun in hand like he was about to do something. They would have just shot him...... so somethings missing from story.
 
Body cams would solve all these problems.
And water cannons, especially in Minneapolis in January!
FAFO and get a free water cannon bath or some CS dust in the air when you can’t follow directions.
 
And water cannons, especially in Minneapolis in January!
FAFO and get a free water cannon bath or some CS dust in the air when you can’t follow directions.
Nah. Im also in the camp of make examples
Someone chucks a rock shoot em with a bullet.

But you cant pre emptivly kill people because they have a rock
 
It depends on the translation, the hardback I have says "politics", the Kindle version says "policy". If you Google you will see both. Now, the version I have on Kindle say policy at the heading and goes into politics in explanation. So, he might have used both terms interchangeably.
Contrary to the lies spewed by those who are not in my fan-base, I neither wasted all my time at the Naval War College sailing and playing polo, nor did I waste any of my time at the Canadian Forces College.

See this monograph on the Clausewitz.com site:

I like it mostly because it trashes Keegan, but the important part is here:

"Writing in German, Clausewitz used the word Politik, and his most famous phrase has been variously translated as "War is a continuation of `policy'"—or of `politics'—"with an admixture of other means." For the purpose of argument, he assumed that state policy would be rational, that is, aimed at improving the situation of the society it represented.*25 He also believed, along with most Westerners of his era, that war was a legitimate means for a state's advancement of its interests, particularly survival. This is often taken to mean that war is somehow a "rational" phenomenon, and Clausewitz is convicted—as Keegan convicts him—of advocating the resort to war as a routine extension of unilateral state policy.

In fact, the choice of translation for Politik—"policy" or "politics"—indicates differing emphases on the part of the translator, for the two concepts are quite different. "Policy" may be defined as rational action, undertaken by an individual or group which already has power, in order to use, maintain, and extend that power. Politics, in contrast, is simply the process—comprising an inchoate mix of rational, irrational, and non-rational elements like chance and "friction"—by which power is distributed within a given society.*26 It occurs both within the state and between states (i.e., diplomacy).*27 Thus, in calling war a "continuation" of politics, Clausewitz was advocating nothing. In accordance with his belief that theory must be descriptive rather than prescriptive, he was merely recognizing an existing reality. War is an expression of both policy and politics, but "politics" is the interplay of conflicting forces, not the rational execution of one-sided policy initiatives.*28"

See also:


and


et al.
 
It doesn't seem like he had the gun in his hand. And yes, competent officers would have taken him down without shooting him. Having a gun on you is not a shootable offense. There were 4 guys on top of him and another 2 a couple of feet away. The guy on left top was just beating on him instead of trying to restrain him. Mob tactics.

Are we going to use Iranian tactics against the protestors moving forward?
You’re being ridiculous. Cops are taught to come to each other’s aid. Because the suspect is outnumbered has nothing to do with this situation. Would you feel better if it was one on one and someone got killed? Ridiculous. Striking a resisting individual is also NOT ILLEGAL. Unless it gets out of hand, it is a way to get someone to submit. Also, with four cops wrestling a guy, don’t you think they are going to feel and discover the weapon while wrestling? It wasn’t stuck up inside his anus as your head seems to be.
 
Having a firearm on you. Is not a crime.

Having one in your hand trying to use it is...

Just because hes an idiot doesnt mean he was trying to kill anyone. Non compliance isnt a shootable offence. And why do cops have more relaxed rules of engagement against us citizens.than i did against hajis at the height of GWOT?

Im all for killing idiots that need killing. But intentionally putting yourself in front of a running car with someine not complying or shooting a guy because hes armed... isnt right.. if you as a citizen did that youd get thrown under the courthouse
You’re all over the place. I’m not engaging your inconsistent comments because down below you said to shoot someone if they throw a rock. This guy was actively resisting and wrestling while armed and you don’t support using deadly force but you do if someone throws a rock? Last I checked, a gun is more of a threat to my life than a small rock thrown from several feet away.
 
It does look really brutal in this clip from the Associated Press:
like the ICE-agents or border patrol or whatever paramilitary force it is in the clip has the suspect on the ground and then starts to shot him and walk away and then just stand there looking on the dead body. But perhaps it is some sort of AI fake?
 
Is anyone else in DFW as fed up with all the ICE presence as I am? Can you believe ICE came in the middle of the night, and is occupying our streets! No one wants ICE here!

I've heard ICE is wide-spread across several states. Y'all stay safe out there.
 
Contrary to the lies spewed by those who are not in my fan-base, I neither wasted all my time at the Naval War College sailing and playing polo, nor did I waste any of my time at the Canadian Forces College.

See this monograph on the Clausewitz.com site:

I like it mostly because it trashes Keegan, but the important part is here:

"Writing in German, Clausewitz used the word Politik, and his most famous phrase has been variously translated as "War is a continuation of `policy'"—or of `politics'—"with an admixture of other means." For the purpose of argument, he assumed that state policy would be rational, that is, aimed at improving the situation of the society it represented.*25 He also believed, along with most Westerners of his era, that war was a legitimate means for a state's advancement of its interests, particularly survival. This is often taken to mean that war is somehow a "rational" phenomenon, and Clausewitz is convicted—as Keegan convicts him—of advocating the resort to war as a routine extension of unilateral state policy.

In fact, the choice of translation for Politik—"policy" or "politics"—indicates differing emphases on the part of the translator, for the two concepts are quite different. "Policy" may be defined as rational action, undertaken by an individual or group which already has power, in order to use, maintain, and extend that power. Politics, in contrast, is simply the process—comprising an inchoate mix of rational, irrational, and non-rational elements like chance and "friction"—by which power is distributed within a given society.*26 It occurs both within the state and between states (i.e., diplomacy).*27 Thus, in calling war a "continuation" of politics, Clausewitz was advocating nothing. In accordance with his belief that theory must be descriptive rather than prescriptive, he was merely recognizing an existing reality. War is an expression of both policy and politics, but "politics" is the interplay of conflicting forces, not the rational execution of one-sided policy initiatives.*28"

See also:


and


et al.
You naval persons are oddly educated. Keegan's "Face of Battle" is the one of the most exceptional meditations on warfare ever written. Whenever I commanded, it was required reading for my subordinate officers (and yes, I would grill them on it through discussion). It is admittedly Anglo-centric, but then Keegan was English.

However, I do generally agree with your explanation of the "meaning" of Clausewitz's interpretation of the relationship between war and other international discourse.
 
Funny the difference in n leadership styles , while mark carney was in china selling out the seafood industry poilievre was in Yarmouth talking to the fisherman and actually went fishing a day. I wonder who learned more about our industry.
You gotta fill me in on how he sold out the fishermen? All I’ve read is that the Chinese dropped tariffs on lobster and crab.
 
It doesn't seem like he had the gun in his hand. And yes, competent officers would have taken him down without shooting him. Having a gun on you is not a shootable offense. There were 4 guys on top of him and another 2 a couple of feet away. The guy on left top was just beating on him instead of trying to restrain him. Mob tactics.

Are we going to use Iranian tactics against the protestors moving forward?

Put down the Avocado toast ....your liberalism is showing.

These agents are harassed 24/7 , doxxed, threatened , objects thrown at them ,spit on, yelled at with all sorts of vile insults.
Can't imagine why they would be on edge, and some idiot protester gets to have his 15 minutes of fame by provoking them. I don't doubt for a moment that the perp started reaching for his gun while on the ground.
He took the room temperature challenge and lost.

He is nothing but a martyr for the media and radical left.
 
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This meme is my opinion on people saying you shouldn’t protest ICE. Whether you agree with ICE’s massive presence right now or not, protesting is a constitutional right. Throwing snowballs is what caused the Boston Massacre, one of the major lead ups to the Revolution.

Let’s read the Declaration of Independence to remind ourselves why we went to war with the government to form anew.

“He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.” - Trump recently banned states from passing any laws against artificial intelligence, yet isn’t passing any laws of his own to control it.

“He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.” - Trump has had ICE camp outside of immigration courts and arrest people as they walk inside to prevent them from becoming legal.

“He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.” - trump has appointed dozens of unqualified people into judicial positions and other positions of power simply for the fact that they are loyal to him. Pam Bondi being a prime example.

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” - Trump has made a handful of new offices, “department of government efficiency” being the biggest waste of taxpayer money in history. It saved almost nothing (provable) and cost taxpayers significantly.


He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:”

Trump has been protecting ice agents from any form of accountability for their countless crimes. Such as kidnapping children away from their parents for hours at a time, breaking into homes without judicial warrant, his tariffs are taxes without representation, and he has been deporting people without any opportunity for trial. The constitution doesn’t protect citizens, it protects “People” meaning even illegal immigrants and criminals are given due process of the law to have a chance to defend themselves, and must be considered innocent until proven guilty.

Trump is trying to send the military to back ICE, which is a violation of our 4th amendment rights AND one of the reasons for the Declaration of Independence.

If the founding fathers were alive today they would be revolting just like they revolted then.

As for ICE needlessly killing people and people justifying then as “they’re on edge” well the fact is that it doesn’t matter if you’re on edge. You’re supposed to be trained to handle stress, fear, etc. They are committing actual war crimes such as gassing neighborhoods with lethal toxic gas (causes total organ failure within hours of exposure, a Geneva convention war crime) among using sonic weapons on non combatants.

As for Greenland, it’s one of the last primary places of native peoples in the world. Over 80% are indigenous there. You really want to commit another massacre of indigenous peoples to get some extra land? Hitler wanted more natural resources and invaded Poland. Resources is not a valid excuse.

As for Venezuela, let’s say another country kills all of Trump’s security, and kidnaps him to bring him to their own country. Would the United States not consider that an act of war???

“Justification” is not sufficient as morally acceptable reasoning.
 
You’re all over the place. I’m not engaging your inconsistent comments because down below you said to shoot someone if they throw a rock. This guy was actively resisting and wrestling while armed and you don’t support using deadly force but you do if someone throws a rock? Last I checked, a gun is more of a threat to my life than a small rock thrown from several feet away.
Its not all over the place...

Having a gun on your person. Wrestling or not. Is not using the gun while wrestling. Cops have guns on them all the time and wrestle people without shooting them...
If the guy had the gun in his hand. Good riddance to him

If it was just on him. Thats a problem. If they shot him. But currently theres not enough evidence to prove one way or the other.

Hostile intent does not equal hostile action.
And since you dont grasp the rock example.
Kids in iraq like to throw baseball sized rocks as you drive by at 40mph. So your going one way it can seriously injure you. You cant just shoot someone because they have a rock.
You have to wait till they try to throw it.

Hostile intent. Vs hostile action
 
Its not all over the place...

Having a gun on your person. Wrestling or not. Is not using the gun while wrestling. Cops have guns on them all the time and wrestle people without shooting them...
If the guy had the gun in his hand. Good riddance to him

If it was just on him. Thats a problem. If they shot him. But currently theres not enough evidence to prove one way or the other.

Hostile intent does not equal hostile action.
And since you dont grasp the rock example.
Kids in iraq like to throw baseball sized rocks as you drive by at 40mph. So your going one way it can seriously injure you. You cant just shoot someone because they have a rock.
You have to wait till they try to throw it.

Hostile intent. Vs hostile action
Wrestling is resisting. Cops don’t know if the guy would only keep wrestling! Would you resist and wrestle, armed or not, with cops?
 
Wrestling is resisting. Cops don’t know if the guy would only keep wrestling! Would you resist and wrestle, armed or not, with cops?
Thats a straw man argument.
You cant pre emptivly shoot someone not presenting lethal force.

Especially if hes legally allowed to be armed.

If the cops being a retard you have the legal right to tell them kick rocks and cops do wrong and illegal things all the time.

Im not saying its a 100% bad shoot im saying we dont have enough info but based on info present its a bad shoot
 
Thats a straw man argument.
You cant pre emptivly shoot someone not presenting lethal force.

Especially if hes legally allowed to be armed.
Preemptively? The wrestling was already occurring. It’s a simple question: Would you refuse orders and wrestle with cops?
 
Put down the Avocado toast ....your liberalism is showing.

These agents are harassed 24/7 , doxxed, threatened , objects thrown at them ,spit on, yelled at with all sorts of vile insults.
Can't imagine why they would be on edge, and some idiot protester gets to have his 15 minutes of fame by provoking them. I don't doubt for a moment that the perp started reaching for his gun while on the ground.
He took the room temperature challenge and lost.

He is nothing but a martyr for the media and radical left.
Being spit on, etc is part of the job. Period. Always has been. Can't take it, drop your resume off at Walmart. Back in my day no one had video cameras in their pockets so we had a little more freedom to be heavy handed. These days it's different. Just adapt. Wait till the perp is in the car or at the station before he "slips and falls on the wet pavement." I always made sure my patrolpersons were well versed in creative report writing.
 

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