Back country carry gun

[Neophyte]

@Neophyte - i guess we have very different experiences and opinions of Law Enforcement…. Overall, I think the vast majority are very good people and many are Outstanding, trying their best to do a good job under difficult situations and return home safely at the end of their shift.

Most don’t remember the oath they swore to uphold by the time they graduate the academy.

That comes before enforcing the law.

 

[HankBuck]

Most don’t remember the oath they swore to uphold by the time they graduate the academy.

That comes before enforcing the law.

@Neophyte - fortunately you are in the very small minority that has a “low opinion” of Police in general, there are well over a 100,000 + Law Enforcement officers in this Country and vast majority are good-to-very-good people and do their job. They have to make quick decisions (which you should know) and later face endless “2nd guessing” about those decisions… criticizing the entire Police population is unjustified by any measure and No One has enough experience or facts to make that type of statement and back it up. I’ve never been a Cop but broad generalizations about an entire population or profession are rarely true. We’ll have to end on that note because this is no longer a productive discussion….we are on different levels.

 

[mdwest]

Most don’t remember the oath they swore to uphold by the time they graduate the academy.

That comes before enforcing the law.

Clearly an uninformed, unsubstantiated, unsupported, and genuinely ridiculous statement…

 

[Neophyte]

@Neophyte - fortunately you are in the very small minority that has a “low opinion” of Police in general, there are well over a 100,000 + Law Enforcement officers in this Country and vast majority are good-to-very-good people and do their job. They have to make quick decisions (which you should know) and later face endless “2nd guessing” about those decisions… criticizing the entire Police population is unjustified by any measure and No One has enough experience or facts to make that type of statement and back it up. I’ve never been a Cop but broad generalizations about an entire population or profession are rarely true. We’ll have to end on that note because this is no longer a productive discussion….we are on different levels.

By the same standard that you espouse one could argue your broad generalization that “most are good to very good people and do their job” is unfair to those that do uphold their oath.

In my experience most don’t. They look the other way or make excuses instead of doing their job. They go along to get along because the culture of policing is corrupted in this country.

I see law enforcement like a vicious dog that needs to be kept on a tight chain. Over utilized by politicians that make everything a crime and their paramilitary structure breeds the “Us against Them” attitude.

 

[mdwest]

So what exactly is your experience that brings you to this conclusion?

 

[Neophyte]

I used to get my paycheck from the USDA.
That’s not the agency I worked for.

 

[mdwest]

I used to get a paycheck from the world bank… but that wasn’t the agency I was working for at the time either…

Your point is?

 

[Neophyte]

I used to get a paycheck from the world bank… but that wasn’t the agency I was working for at the time either…

Your point is?

You asked for my experience but I’m unwilling to disclose too much.
Obviously you know are smart enough, or know enough, that I was some type of federal law enforcement.
I have my opinions gained by my experience. You have yours. I’ve had too many beers with coworkers and locals about violating people’s rights to trust the system.

 

[HankBuck]

I used to get a paycheck from the world bank… but that wasn’t the agency I was working for at the time either…

Your point is?

@mdwest: I use to get a U.S. Government Savings Bond on my birthday and a Basket from the Easter Bunny….but I worked for neither

 

[yamoon]

What do you offer as an alternative to the system you distrust so much? It is easy to criticize, not so easy to offer constructive ideas. We need the soccer moms and dads to help us keep our 2nd amendment, walking into a grocery store with a rifle or visible handgun is stupid, get a concealed carry permit and keep it under your jacket. I have a friend now retired who was the agent in charge of the DFW FBI office, he dislikes the current FBI leadership.
Mike

 

[Neophyte]

What do you offer as an alternative to the system you distrust so much? It is easy to criticize, not so easy to offer constructive ideas. We need the soccer moms and dads to help us keep our 2nd amendment, walking into a grocery store with a rifle or visible handgun is stupid, get a concealed carry permit and keep it under your jacket. I have a friend now retired who was the agent in charge of the DFW FBI office, he dislikes the current FBI leadership.
Mike

I offer you nothing except that which you can take for yourself.

 

[Bluebeam]

I'm considering a Ruger Alaskan vs S&W 69 - both in .44 Magnum. The Ruger is about $200 more - do you guys think it's worth it?

I'm in AZ, but I do find myself hiking in Montana usually once each summer.

Just a suggestion. Unless you are a LARGE guy that 2.5" barrel isn't gonna give you much chance of a second shot.

Ruger Only level .45 Colt loads work just fine. Penetrate very well and they run through the .454 Casull just fine. Just have to remember to scrub the grunge ring in the cylinder when you switch back to .454 Casull loads or you'll raise chamber pressures to OOOPS levels.

I like my .452 caliber Rugers. All of them.

 

[HankBuck]

What do you offer as an alternative to the system you distrust so much? It is easy to criticize, not so easy to offer constructive ideas. We need the soccer moms and dads to help us keep our 2nd amendment, walking into a grocery store with a rifle or visible handgun is stupid, get a concealed carry permit and keep it under your jacket. I have a friend now retired who was the agent in charge of the DFW FBI office, he dislikes the current FBI leadership.
Mike

@yamoon - he offers nothing——don’t get trolled

 

[ldmay375]

Just a suggestion. Unless you are a LARGE guy that 2.5" barrel isn't gonna give you much chance of a second shot.

Ruger Only level .45 Colt loads work just fine. Penetrate very well and they run through the .454 Casull just fine. Just have to remember to scrub the grunge ring in the cylinder when you switch back to .454 Casull loads or you'll raise chamber pressures to OOOPS levels.

I like my .452 caliber Rugers. All of them.

The 45 Colt with a good bullet, at Ruger load levels is a pretty potent package. Another companion favorite is a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 3.75" barrel.

The 454 Casull / 45 Colt revolvers do give one options. I have no hesitation using heavy 45 Colt loads in my 454's. I bought one of the 4-5/8" Ruger Bisley 454's specifically for that.

 

[Velo Dog]

@Neophyte - fortunately you are in the very small minority that has a “low opinion” of Police in general, there are well over a 100,000 + Law Enforcement officers in this Country and vast majority are good-to-very-good people and do their job. They have to make quick decisions (which you should know) and later face endless “2nd guessing” about those decisions… criticizing the entire Police population is unjustified by any measure and No One has enough experience or facts to make that type of statement and back it up. I’ve never been a Cop but broad generalizations about an entire population or profession are rarely true. We’ll have to end on that note because this is no longer a productive discussion….we are on different levels.

 

[Challer]

When in the backwoods west of the Mississippi, I carry an FK Brno in 7.5 FK. I’ve taken down adult wild boar with one shot. East of the river a SIG in 10mm with hard cast or swifts is used. Both in a chest rig

 

[Schüler Jumbo]

I have looked at the Ruger Alaskan chambered .480 Ruger as a BUG in the field. While I like the Alaskan it is just physically too bulky (same frame as a .44 Mag) for my application. So, the S&W 69 would be my choice. I’ve read the 69 being built on a L-Frame stands up well to .44 recoil and is a joy to carry. A friend of mine has a pair of S&W 329’s. He’s a sheep hunter and weight is critical to him. He does shoot those 329’s year round and employs them as an EDC which is why he has two so when he sends one back to Smith & Wesson for repair he has the other. He tells me Smith & Wesson has been fantastic to work with making all repairs under warranty; the mighty .44 takes it toll on the 329 and my pal shoots full-house loads. The 329 would rank as an ultimate BUG. I think a 4 5/8” Ruger Blackhawk in .44 or .45 Colt would make an excellent compact BUG as an option.

 

[DrBob]

The 45 Colt with a good bullet, at Ruger load levels is a pretty potent package. Another companion favorite is a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 3.75" barrel.

The 454 Casull / 45 Colt revolvers do give one options. I have no hesitation using heavy 45 Colt loads in my 454's. I bought one of the 4-5/8" Ruger Bisley 454's specifically for that.

I carry a 45 Colt Ruger Redhawk with hard cast 360 grain warheads. Buffalo bore makes great solid 45s for the Ruger. I chose the Redhawk as it is bomb proof and at very heavy loads it is right up there with the heavy 44 mags. The 6" Redhawk in 44 mag is nice. The Ruger Alaskan is a painful handful and wristful. Friend in the MatSu valley nearly wrecked his wrist from the torque of his 454.

 

[cwpayton]

I spend a fair amount of time in grizz country and their range continues to expand, My carry has always been a 44 mag S+W . but I continue to assess that .I watch a pod cast of a guide outfitter that has had several encounters with Grizz and blacks, He says the Best is a RIFLE of DG caliber how ever for pistol protection the best is the gun you have on you when charged ,you will have about 3 seconds ,so the gun setting on top of your cooler in your back pack or some where out of reach is usesless, also a good chance you will be shooing from on your back with the Bear on top of you if its a grizz. IM seriously considering switching too my 45 ACP, 3 shots to the ear, mouth ,throat are better than a one shot 44 to ...? a hard cast + p 230 gr. a close range might save me. would rather have a 44 mag 325. gr at 1600 fps but its a slower response time for me and time is everything under a charge . practice ,practice ,practice, and then practice. and always carry bear spray so you can douse them good after they are dead.

 

[DrBob]

I spend a fair amount of time in grizz country and their range continues to expand, My carry has always been a 44 mag S+W . but I continue to assess that .I watch a pod cast of a guide outfitter that has had several encounters with Grizz and blacks, He says the Best is a RIFLE of DG caliber how ever for pistol protection the best is the gun you have on you when charged ,you will have about 3 seconds ,so the gun setting on top of your cooler in your back pack or some where out of reach is usesless, also a good chance you will be shooing from on your back with the Bear on top of you if its a grizz. IM seriously considering switching too my 45 ACP, 3 shots to the ear, mouth ,throat are better than a one shot 44 to ...? a hard cast + p 230 gr. a close range might save me. would rather have a 44 mag 325. gr at 1600 fps but its a slower response time for me and time is everything under a charge . practice ,practice ,practice, and then practice. and always carry bear spray so you can douse them good after they are dead.

The present darling is the 10mm Glock. The 12 gauge slug is potent and one can dump more rounds into a bear with that than a DGR. There is killing power and then there is stopping power.