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My wife and I met in high school and married in May 1984, the month after we graduated college. We had a net worth of -$95,000. Yup, nearly $100K under water. We somehow parlayed a couple of offer letters for good jobs and $10k in cash we’d saved working part time jobs into a loan for a $75K condo. Please understand that a $75k condo was far from an AVERAGE home in 1984. It was what we used to call a starter home. Oh yeah, the mortgage interest rate as 13%

So, sell your sad stories elsewhere.

Here is your sad story, a person today with a net worth of -95k, with less than 20% down payment isnt getting a loan. So even if they had the cash, they arent getting the chance to buy a starter home. So by todays standards you arent buying that "starter home" either. Your path to wealth just got delayed because you are renting.

Also, fun fact in dealing with banks today, did you know that banks won't consider cash in your bank, actually cash to approve you for a loan. You have to prove how you got the cash. Ask me how I know.

How about this, Boomers have no idea what the Gen Z and Millenials are going through and Gen Z and Millenials cant comprehend some of the stuff Boomers did to get by. Some situations are better, some are worse, but I think stereo typing a whole generation is a bit silly.
 
1000sqft or 5000sqft, who cares. A home. Any home. Some prospect of one day not having crippling monthly rent (which incidentally also costs 2x what it did in the 'good old days' - $108 against a $9,870 median household income, vs $1629 against a $83730 one... you do the math).

2.) Fair enough. Something in that. People probably should settle for less house and aim to renovate, assuming they can get a mortgage for it and such places exist in their market. I do think that young people (myself included) are generally less 'handy' than those of my father's generation, so the skill set is perhaps less likely to be there. Personally, I'd have a crack at some painting, maybe installing some loft insulation, some basic plumbing repairs, but I wouldn't back myself to do a good job of a kitchen install, a roofing job, or electrical work. Maybe that's a generational difference too.


These points are sort of missed or not covered well in the video. I like Stossel but sometimes he really does the click baity 5 minute video thing on topics that require a lot more depth. Internet stuff, it is what it is I get it.

A big issue lies in what you're saying about the "any house" thing. A lot of younger people in their 20s would absolutely settle for the normal 1k-1300 square ft home. One problem is a lot of these old "fixer upper" type places that meet the affordability criteria are in areas people don't want to raise a family in, or have their wife at home alone, have her going to the grocery store in, etc.

It's one thing if you're a young, capable, street smart single dude who can buy the old crackhouse in a bad neighborhood and just keep a low profile, drive a beater old pickup, don't accumulate valuables for people to steal, carry a gun, don't snitch on the drug dealer down the block, and navigate that environment effectively to renovate/flip a house for some startup cash. I have a good buddy who did this.

But this environment is not where level headed people want to move their wife and kids, and honestly even most single dudes aren't fit to effectively live in places like that. Again it was just a 5 minute video, but that topic wasn't covered at all.

So a lot of younger people (especially women, feminism yay) end up paying much more to rent an apartment in a nicer part of town, spending more on commute, etc., which doesn't give them a lot of room for saving up for that down payment on one of these admittedly horrible McMansions we build here in the US.

We have an effective blueprint for cleaning up a lot of these neighborhoods, Bukele made it, and El Salvador is much better because of it. However, a lot of younger people (and boomer libs to be fair) and the politicians, judges, and police chiefs they put in office don't have the will to do what's necessary to make large swaths of American cities much more safe and livable.
 
Without trying to be offensive here, I've never seen such a boomer-y video.

He's trying to justify the complete unaffordability of the American Dream for an entire generation just because 'well, if you're lucky enough to already have it, now it's even better than ever'. Wow, just wow.
I can't use my kids as example as I helped them with their down payments though it probably bought them just a couple of years. A friend's sons are in their 30s, both have homes and no college education. After high school one became an electrician and the other a pipe welder (specializes in underwater welding). They did not sit around and say "woe to me" but made something of themselves.
 
There are so many solutions to the plight of young people not being able to climb the economic ladder.

Don’t strap on debt for a degree that will never pay you back.

Go to a cheap community college for your degree and work to pay it off as you go. Then if a BA or above will make you more money, pay for that as you go, while you work

Or better yet, Get paid while you go through an apprenticeship or a trade school.

Live in a trailer with holes in the floor till you can afford better. As I have done. Our first house had a hole in the floor, water you could not drink. It was a complete dump in a terrible area. We had a mattress on the floor. And we both worked our ass off to get out of there. Next step; We could afford to rent a nice mobile home. Then we finally bought a brick and mortar. On and on.

And guess what ? each one of those steps upward was a financial stretch. Just as it is now. We wondered if we could afford them. that’s the way it is. and the way it’ll always be.

Don’t believe you have a right to start life at the equivalent level of people who have been grinding for decades.

Out hustle everybody you work with. it’s pretty easy to do that. Many people are drones and lazy. Be the most versatile person where you work. The last person they would think to get rid of.

If it’s too expensive and there’s no opportunity where you are. Move !
Many of us have lived in dozens of locations around the planet. You may have to move often to the next hotspot of opportunity.


And do not fall for the victim mentality that the leftist are planting in your head.
 
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There are so many solutions to the plight of young people not being able to climb the economic ladder.

Don’t strap on debt for a degree that will never pay you back.

Go to a cheap community college for your degree and work to pay it off as you go. Then if a BA or above will make you more money, pay for that as you go, while you work

Or better yet, Get paid while you go through an apprenticeship or a trade school.

Live in a trailer with holes in the floor till you can afford better. As I have done. Our first house had a hole in the floor, water you could not drink. It was a complete dump in a terrible area. We had a mattress on the floor. And we both worked our ass off to get out of there. Next step; We could afford to rent a nice mobile home. Then we finally bought a brick and mortar. On and on.

And guess what ? each one of those steps upward was a financial stretch. Just as it is now. We wondered if we could afford them. that’s the way it is. and the way it’ll always be.

Don’t believe you have a right to start life at the equivalent level of people who have been grinding for decades.

Out hustle everybody you work with. it’s pretty easy to do that. Many people are drones and lazy. Be the most versatile person where you work. The last person they would think to get rid of.

If it’s too expensive and there’s no opportunity where you are. Move !
Many of us have lived in dozens of locations around the planet. You may have to move often to the next hotspot of opportunity.


And do not fall for the victim mentality that the leftist are planting in your head.
Agreed.

You have to have the will, desire and discipline to achieve and want better for yourself and family.

Nothing is guaranteed and no one is entitled to anything.
 
Most just want to do the bare minimum to get by, wasting their lives away, bitching about it as they go and are envious of others achievements, successes and hard work.
 
Seems to me that the mindset thing is a valid point, but it's mostly saving pennies when you need hundreds of dollars. Not doing door dash might cut food costs by a few thousand a year, buying a refurb phone might save a few hundred, but realistically, does that make a dent on a house deposit? Does it cover college? Does it allow meaningful retirement savings?

I’m not trying to pick on you individually, but this paragraph 100% contrasts the difference between the generations. I want to point out the resignation and soft-nihilism in so brief a few words.

It acknowledges that “sure, there’s a way to save a few pennies, but I NEED hundreds of dollars”. Older generations worry about the pennies, the dollars solve for themselves.

I would tell the young people to start thinking and acting like millionaires, it’s very easy. A millionaire would make $1,000,000 per year, right? That’s $500 an hour. EVERY reader here might not be able to EARN $500 an hour like a millionaire, but there is something they can do once a week, every week of the year to SAVE $500 over the course of a year with only an hour of effort. That stuff really, really adds up and your labor saving $500 in an hour is so much easier than getting a gig that actually pays you $500 for an hour of your time.

Examples of things I do once a week where I know my one hour of effort is going to net me $500 or more over the course of a year.

1.) Refactor my insurance policies once a year, grabbing all the discounts to shave $500.

2.) Grab the stuff I’m tripping over that I do not want and put them on FB marketplace to grab $500.

3.) Sweep every penny out of every savings/checking/ROTH/401k sitting as cash and make sure they are invested into some instrument such as an S&P 500 fund. (I literally do this when I see as little as a dollar sitting idle)

4.) Go do an oil change, vacuum a car, replace a filter rather than going to the dealer.

5.) Clean the gutters, mow the lawn, clean all the windows. (Each costs nearly $500 and I can whip through a couple in an hour avoiding contract labor)

6.) Prep and cook 20lbs of meat, enough to avoid eating out 4x for a family.

7.) Fight my property taxes by writing an appeal to the board of review.

8.) Cancel two streaming services.

9.) Review the top 100 class-action lawsuits in the country, apply for the 3-4 that I qualify as a class.

10.) Have a wish-list of luxury items wanted. Delete things on that list you no longer want that have been on it for 6+ months, do a quick search on FB marketplace to see if you can find one of the items for 1%-5% of the budget, repurpose the budget set aside for that item.

11.) Schedule an amazon return of something you regret buying over the last 30 days.

12.) Call UPS and FedEx, speak to sales, complain that the shipping rates are too high, get them reduced by 35% on an introductory offer for the next 6 months.

13.) Repair or service something that defers its replacement by a year or two.

14.) Clean the cars and junk drawers for change once a year, deposit $250 in coins that were sitting around.

15.) Follow up on your side hustle to see if you can close one more transaction.

16.) Apply for a better paying job, update your resume and send it out, connect with 3-4 influential people in your network you’ve neglected recently.

17.) Recalculate your tax withholding and report that change to your employer so you are not withholding too much of your income.

18.) Refactor the personal budget to sweep more into savings.

I guarantee that if you speak to the average GenX or baby boomer, they have another 50 examples of similar things to the above that they do to “chase pennies”. The pennies add up and it’s way easier to save $500 than MAKE $500. The younger generations have the nihilism of the top paragraph where its “damn it all, it’ll never work out anyway, I need thousands and I’m not going to waste my time with the little stuff”. It’s all about the little stuff. Older generations have no sense of entitlement and are willing to sacrifice minor pleasures with pragmatism. This is why the older generations got to amass wealth, we’re doing a task list like above while the younger generations are watching sports or playing video games on their off hours.
 
I’m not trying to pick on you individually, but this paragraph 100% contrasts the difference between the generations. I want to point out the resignation and soft-nihilism in so brief a few words.

It acknowledges that “sure, there’s a way to save a few pennies, but I NEED hundreds of dollars”. Older generations worry about the pennies, the dollars solve for themselves.

I would tell the young people to start thinking and acting like millionaires, it’s very easy. A millionaire would make $1,000,000 per year, right? That’s $500 an hour. EVERY reader here might not be able to EARN $500 an hour like a millionaire, but there is something they can do once a week, every week of the year to SAVE $500 over the course of a year with only an hour of effort. That stuff really, really adds up and your labor saving $500 in an hour is so much easier than getting a gig that actually pays you $500 for an hour of your time.

Examples of things I do once a week where I know my one hour of effort is going to net me $500 or more over the course of a year.

1.) Refactor my insurance policies once a year, grabbing all the discounts to shave $500.

2.) Grab the stuff I’m tripping over that I do not want and put them on FB marketplace to grab $500.

3.) Sweep every penny out of every savings/checking/ROTH/401k sitting as cash and make sure they are invested into some instrument such as an S&P 500 fund. (I literally do this when I see as little as a dollar sitting idle)

4.) Go do an oil change, vacuum a car, replace a filter rather than going to the dealer.

5.) Clean the gutters, mow the lawn, clean all the windows. (Each costs nearly $500 and I can whip through a couple in an hour avoiding contract labor)

6.) Prep and cook 20lbs of meat, enough to avoid eating out 4x for a family.

7.) Fight my property taxes by writing an appeal to the board of review.

8.) Cancel two streaming services.

9.) Review the top 100 class-action lawsuits in the country, apply for the 3-4 that I qualify as a class.

10.) Have a wish-list of luxury items wanted. Delete things on that list you no longer want that have been on it for 6+ months, do a quick search on FB marketplace to see if you can find one of the items for 1%-5% of the budget, repurpose the budget set aside for that item.

11.) Schedule an amazon return of something you regret buying over the last 30 days.

12.) Call UPS and FedEx, speak to sales, complain that the shipping rates are too high, get them reduced by 35% on an introductory offer for the next 6 months.

13.) Repair or service something that defers its replacement by a year or two.

14.) Clean the cars and junk drawers for change once a year, deposit $250 in coins that were sitting around.

15.) Follow up on your side hustle to see if you can close one more transaction.

16.) Apply for a better paying job, update your resume and send it out, connect with 3-4 influential people in your network you’ve neglected recently.

17.) Recalculate your tax withholding and report that change to your employer so you are not withholding too much of your income.

18.) Refactor the personal budget to sweep more into savings.

I guarantee that if you speak to the average GenX or baby boomer, they have another 50 examples of similar things to the above that they do to “chase pennies”. The pennies add up and it’s way easier to save $500 than MAKE $500. The younger generations have the nihilism of the top paragraph where its “damn it all, it’ll never work out anyway, I need thousands and I’m not going to waste my time with the little stuff”. It’s all about the little stuff. Older generations have no sense of entitlement and are willing to sacrifice minor pleasures with pragmatism. This is why the older generations got to amass wealth, we’re doing a task list like above while the younger generations are watching sports or playing video games on their off hours.
Spot on!

Little things add up and compounding them in investments add up faster.

It’s amazing what $1,000.00 will do compounding.
 
Spot on!

Little things add up and compounding them in investments add up faster.

It’s amazing what $1,000.00 will do compounding.

It’s a pretty simple thing. My three kids worked their ass off and each saved $7000 in tax year 2023. (They were ages 11-13-15). Thrown into a ROTH, their portfolios less than 2 years later are each worth $16,000.

Purely investing in S&P 500 index funds, saving not another penny in their lifetime, it doubles every 7 years on average. What is the value of their one year of suffering as teens and pre-teens when they reach age 65? $2.05 Million USD. It’s not that hard. What if they don’t want to wait that long, they wish to use it for a 20% down first home at age 30? It is worth $128,000. It’s not that hard.
 
I’m not trying to pick on you individually, but this paragraph 100% contrasts the difference between the generations. I want to point out the resignation and soft-nihilism in so brief a few words.

It acknowledges that “sure, there’s a way to save a few pennies, but I NEED hundreds of dollars”. Older generations worry about the pennies, the dollars solve for themselves.

I would tell the young people to start thinking and acting like millionaires, it’s very easy. A millionaire would make $1,000,000 per year, right? That’s $500 an hour. EVERY reader here might not be able to EARN $500 an hour like a millionaire, but there is something they can do once a week, every week of the year to SAVE $500 over the course of a year with only an hour of effort. That stuff really, really adds up and your labor saving $500 in an hour is so much easier than getting a gig that actually pays you $500 for an hour of your time.

Examples of things I do once a week where I know my one hour of effort is going to net me $500 or more over the course of a year.

1.) Refactor my insurance policies once a year, grabbing all the discounts to shave $500.

2.) Grab the stuff I’m tripping over that I do not want and put them on FB marketplace to grab $500.

3.) Sweep every penny out of every savings/checking/ROTH/401k sitting as cash and make sure they are invested into some instrument such as an S&P 500 fund. (I literally do this when I see as little as a dollar sitting idle)

4.) Go do an oil change, vacuum a car, replace a filter rather than going to the dealer.

5.) Clean the gutters, mow the lawn, clean all the windows. (Each costs nearly $500 and I can whip through a couple in an hour avoiding contract labor)

6.) Prep and cook 20lbs of meat, enough to avoid eating out 4x for a family.

7.) Fight my property taxes by writing an appeal to the board of review.

8.) Cancel two streaming services.

9.) Review the top 100 class-action lawsuits in the country, apply for the 3-4 that I qualify as a class.

10.) Have a wish-list of luxury items wanted. Delete things on that list you no longer want that have been on it for 6+ months, do a quick search on FB marketplace to see if you can find one of the items for 1%-5% of the budget, repurpose the budget set aside for that item.

11.) Schedule an amazon return of something you regret buying over the last 30 days.

12.) Call UPS and FedEx, speak to sales, complain that the shipping rates are too high, get them reduced by 35% on an introductory offer for the next 6 months.

13.) Repair or service something that defers its replacement by a year or two.

14.) Clean the cars and junk drawers for change once a year, deposit $250 in coins that were sitting around.

15.) Follow up on your side hustle to see if you can close one more transaction.

16.) Apply for a better paying job, update your resume and send it out, connect with 3-4 influential people in your network you’ve neglected recently.

17.) Recalculate your tax withholding and report that change to your employer so you are not withholding too much of your income.

18.) Refactor the personal budget to sweep more into savings.

I guarantee that if you speak to the average GenX or baby boomer, they have another 50 examples of similar things to the above that they do to “chase pennies”. The pennies add up and it’s way easier to save $500 than MAKE $500. The younger generations have the nihilism of the top paragraph where its “damn it all, it’ll never work out anyway, I need thousands and I’m not going to waste my time with the little stuff”. It’s all about the little stuff. Older generations have no sense of entitlement and are willing to sacrifice minor pleasures with pragmatism. This is why the older generations got to amass wealth, we’re doing a task list like above while the younger generations are watching sports or playing video games on their off hours.
Study Auctionzip to find items you need and go to the auction or bid online. I’ve bought vehicles, equipment for the farm and slaughterhouse, lumber, engine oil, tack, plywood, etc. all for $.10-$.01/dollar compared to new retail prices. Hell, a house can be bought at auction fixed and flipped for huge ROI. My wife and I did this twice.
 
At a fast food drive through I paid with a hundred dollar bill that I needed to brake up. The 30 something woman at the window was amazed and said that she couldn’t remember the last time they had to brake one at the restaurant and didn’t remember the last time she had one in her household. She said it had been years.

I also think most have no comprehension of what a dollar or money really is. For most it’s a quick swipe of the credit card, an automatic deposit or withdrawal, they have no real tangible connection to what a dollar is.
 
At a fast food drive through I paid with a hundred dollar bill that I needed to brake up. The 30 something woman at the window was amazed and said that she couldn’t remember the last time they had to brake one at the restaurant and didn’t remember the last time she had one in her household. She said it had been years.

I also think most have no comprehension of what a dollar or money really is. For most it’s a quick swipe of the credit card, an automatic deposit or withdrawal, they have no real tangible connection to what a dollar is.

If people get on a hardcore budget and savings plan such as Dave Ramsey, they recommend two steps relevant to your comments.

Step 1 - Cut up all your credit cards. Use debit cards with a budget, stop going into debt.

Step 2 - Do not keep a debit card in your wallet. People that use hard cash statistically spend 15%-30% less. When you’re at a gas station and you’re holding $100 bill, you’re far less likely to break it to get a $2 coffee. There is a potent psychology to handing someone real cash whereas digital payment does not trigger the same sensation.
 
If people get on a hardcore budget and savings plan such as Dave Ramsey, they recommend two steps relevant to your comments.

Step 1 - Cut up all your credit cards. Use debit cards with a budget, stop going into debt.

Step 2 - Do not keep a debit card in your wallet. People that use hard cash statistically spend 15%-30% less. When you’re at a gas station and you’re holding $100 bill, you’re far less likely to break it to get a $2 coffee. There is a potent psychology to handing someone real cash whereas digital payment does not trigger the same sensation.
100%

Unfortunately most lack the discipline to actually achieve that, let alone just make a good effort.

It’s really not that difficult.
 
Step 1 - Cut up all your credit cards. Use debit cards with a budget, stop going into debt.
I disagree with this. I have no credit card debt that I pay interest on. Just last month I paid for two international business class tickets with miles. My partner is flying to DFW to visit her dad today, Ticket was with miles again. My next international trip in business class will be miles as well.

I pay everything I can with a credit card and pay it off in full each month and get the miles. The only things I have paid cash for last year was my Lexus SUV (they wouldn’t let me charge it) and dog trainer who wanted a PayPal transfer.
 
Requires discipline and a reliable cash flow, but if so, this is the way to go.
 

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