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[fourfive8]

I was too young to remember the Adolph Eichmann operation. The 1976 raid on Entebbe was the first I became aware of Israel’s cutzpah.

In the two years since Hamas attacked Israel and captured hostages, Israel has:

Taken out Hamas leadership in Gaza plus their replacements multiple times.

Taken out Hezbollah’s leadership.

Neutered Iran with a bit of American help.

Taken out Houthi and Yemen leadership.

Taken out Hamas leadership in Doha.

Love or hate Israel their intelligence, military ability and audacity is pretty amazing.

Survival I think. One of the toughest soldiers I ever met was a beat up, scarred up veteran of the ‘67 War.

 

[fourfive8]

Also, while I kind of like a lot of Rand Paul’s libertarian ideas, would someone from Kentucky send him a message for me, “I don’t give a rat’s ass about US due process for TDA drug runners from Venezuela who are duly classified as enemies of the US. Good shot!”

 

[spike.t]

By default, does Greta Thornburg become leader of Hamas if she can get her burning boat to Gaza.

Mmmm.....now surely that would put her on a "list".....

 

[spike.t]

Polish and NATO forces scramble to shoot down Russian drones | Military News | Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...-airspace-intrusion-as-russia-strikes-ukraine

 

[Tanks]

Taken out Hamas leadership in Doha.

Love or hate Israel their intelligence, military ability and audacity is pretty amazing.

I ran across the following comment in regard to the Israeli attack at Doha.

Gulf countries don’t simply host U.S. military bases, they are formally under U.S. protection. The bombing of Qatar reveals one of two unsettling possibilities: either U.S. protection is ineffective and unreliable, or the United States is willing to betray the trust of its allies under the influence of Israeli lobbying pressure. This incident raises serious questions about the competency and credibility of U.S. commitments and the vulnerability of nations that rely on American military guarantees.

Maybe @Red Leg has some insight to this in regard to implied USA protection in exchange for bases.

 

[rookhawk]

Did any of you see the House Subcommittee footage from yesterday? Cockpit or drone footage of a UAP/UFO being struck off the coast of Yemen with a hellfire missile. It bounced off the object.

Video on Fox at the link:

Hellfire missile bounces off mysterious orb in stunning UAP footage shown to Congress

Lawmakers stunned as footage shows Hellfire missile bouncing off unidentified aerial phenomena, with experts testifying no U.S. technology could survive such a strike.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Betterinthebush]

US economy added 911,000 fewer jobs than previously reported in largest-ever revision

The downward revision appears to be the largest ever recorded.

abcnews.go.com

Nearly 1MM fewer than reported. This was not gaslighting. This was outright deceit perpetrated by a small group of individuals.

Can’t understand why Au hit $3700.00 for a moment before it was pounded down to end the day -$7.00/24hrs.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I ran across the following comment in regard to the Israeli attack at Doha.



Maybe @Red Leg has some insight to this in regard to implied USA protection in exchange for bases.

It’s dependent on where in the city the Hamas leaders were drawing on a hookah. Apparently these guys were in a residential area.

Israel may have used their version of Stealth technology and air launched cruise missiles or glide bombs.

Israeli jets loosed the missiles or glide bombs from outside Qatar airspace and the slower moving glide bombs may not have been picked up by Qatar or US defense systems.

Or US officials in on the attack, distracted the person looking at the radar screen by yelling

“Hey look it’s Elvis!”

Please don’t PM me. Telling me this equipment isn’t used anymore and people don’t stare at screens anymore. IT WAS A JOKE, which is now ruined because of the need to explain.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Hopefully Israel takes out a few Hamas leaders here in US cities. They stroll around in broad daylight freely, so missiles would not be even remotely necessary.

 

[VertigoBE]

Did any of you see the House Subcommittee footage from yesterday? Cockpit or drone footage of a UAP/UFO being struck off the coast of Yemen with a hellfire missile. It bounced off the object.

Video on Fox at the link:

Hellfire missile bounces off mysterious orb in stunning UAP footage shown to Congress

Lawmakers stunned as footage shows Hellfire missile bouncing off unidentified aerial phenomena, with experts testifying no U.S. technology could survive such a strike.

www.foxnews.com

There have been multiple hearings on this topic lately, with camera's, radar, eye witness (pilot's) having all independently described objects that moved or acted seemingly without respecting our known laws of physics.

Answers, no one has them (too much goofy conspiracy stuff), but we have come to a point where it merits proper investigation and analysis, and being taking seriously.

 

[Tanks]

Hopefully Israel takes out a few Hamas leaders here in US cities. They stroll around in broad daylight freely, so missiles would not be even remotely necessary.

So, you are fine with foreign countries assassinating people on US soil? Not to mention we have NO Hamas leaders here as they are designated as a terrorist organization and doubt as we would give them visas.

If you are talking about US citizens who sympathise with Hamas, then it is even worse. A foreign country assassinating US citizens on US soil should have dire consequences for that country.

I sympathize with Israel and fully support them. If they were to do such a thing here, I would advocate for cutting off all aid to them. It would be a bridge too far.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Tanks, yes I do. They have zero protection under the Geneva convention or the normal Marquess of Queensberry rules. They put babies in microwaves. Cut babies from pregnant women. Killed parents in front of children. Then raped the children.

So yeah I’m good with Israel sneaking in and taking them out anywhere they stand on the planet.

This is very similar to what they did after the Munich Olympics. They illegally went into every country those dirtbags hid in.

If more countries took care of these dirtbags right from the beginning, this behavior would never gain traction in the first place, but everybody’s too civilized and soft to deal with evil early enough.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Poland downs Russian drones in first time a NATO member has fired during Ukraine war​

• Poland activates NATO's article four for consultations
• Russia denies drones were of Russian origin, calls accusations groundless
• EU and NATO officials call for strong response to Russian escalation

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told parliament it was "the closest we have been to open conflict since World War Two", although he also said he had "no reason to believe we're on the brink of war".

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/poland-downs-russian-drones-first-time-nato-member-has-fired-during-ukraine-war-2025-09-10/

EXPLAINED: How Many Times Has NATO Hit the Article 4 Button?​

NATO Article 4 is the alliance’s quiet alarm bell short of a full military response – and Poland just rang it after Wednesday’s Russian drone airspace violations. But how many times has it been used?

EXPLAINED: How Many Times Has NATO Hit the Article 4 Button?

NATO Article 4 is the alliance’s quiet alarm bell short of a full military response – and Poland just rang it after Wednesday’s Russian drone airspace violations. But how many times has it been used?

www.kyivpost.com

 

[Altitude sickness]

And Russia will do absolutely nothing about it. Well maybe saying it was a mistake.

Russia knows full well that Poland alone would easily take Russia to the mat.

Putin to Poland
“Fights not with you Poland”

 

[Tanks]

Tanks, yes I do. They have zero protection under the Geneva convention or the normal Marquess of Queensberry rules. They put babies in microwaves. Cut babies from pregnant women. Killed parents in front of children. Then raped the children.

So yeah I’m good with Israel sneaking in and taking them out anywhere they stand on the planet.

This is very similar to what they did after the Munich Olympics. They illegally went into every country those dirtbags hid in.

If more countries took care of these dirtbags right from the beginning, this behavior would never gain traction in the first place, but everybody’s too civilized and soft to deal with evil early enough.

Again, you ignored my question about USA sovereignty and Israel going after legal USA residents or citizens. Your first paragraph is also a "strawman", if someone had done those things then they would not be legally in the USA and if they are, they would be in jail Heck, we imprisoned Blackwater contractors for doing much less in Iraq.

What's next then China killing their dissidents that are in the USA? After all they have arrest warrants against them.

We cannot allow other countries to use USA territories as hunting grounds (I know we do it to others).

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Did any of you see the House Subcommittee footage from yesterday? Cockpit or drone footage of a UAP/UFO being struck off the coast of Yemen with a hellfire missile. It bounced off the object.

Video on Fox at the link:

Hellfire missile bounces off mysterious orb in stunning UAP footage shown to Congress

Lawmakers stunned as footage shows Hellfire missile bouncing off unidentified aerial phenomena, with experts testifying no U.S. technology could survive such a strike.

www.foxnews.com

I believe that Hellfire missile must have had the old, non-bonded, Hornady DGX bullet.

 

[Altitude sickness]

@Tanks, I’ve often repeated on here. It’s a good thing I was never a General Officer or President of the US because I may have a tendency to overreact.

 

[fourfive8]

Did any of you see the House Subcommittee footage from yesterday? Cockpit or drone footage of a UAP/UFO being struck off the coast of Yemen with a hellfire missile. It bounced off the object.

Video on Fox at the link:

Hellfire missile bounces off mysterious orb in stunning UAP footage shown to Congress

Lawmakers stunned as footage shows Hellfire missile bouncing off unidentified aerial phenomena, with experts testifying no U.S. technology could survive such a strike.

www.foxnews.com

Spooky. Unless this is AI/CGI generated and we are all in the “Matrix”, maybe Bob Lazar isn’t crazy after all.

 

[Russ16]

Again, you ignored my question about USA sovereignty and Israel going after legal USA residents or citizens. Your first paragraph is also a "strawman", if someone had done those things then they would not be legally in the USA and if they are, they would be in jail Heck, we imprisoned Blackwater contractors for doing much less in Iraq.

What's next then China killing their dissidents that are in the USA? After all they have arrest warrants against them.

We cannot allow other countries to use USA territories as hunting grounds (I know we do it to others).

100% they may not have protection under the Geneva convention but murder is illegal in this country. I have a problem with anyone committing it even for good reason.

 

[Red Leg]

I ran across the following comment in regard to the Israeli attack at Doha.



Maybe @Red Leg has some insight to this in regard to implied USA protection in exchange for bases.

The original agreement we negotiated in principal with Qatar in 1989 and which was formally implemented in 1992 (and amended several times since), is a military cooperation agreement as opposed to a mutual defense pact like NATO. Qatar is considered a Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA) which is a status held by several nations including Israel.

The presence of our largest Middle East base at Al Udied carries with it the expectation to regional opponents that the US will defend its interests were Qatar threatened as it was by the recent Iranian missile launches.

Obviously, that relationship becomes hugely strained when it is another MNNA carrying out the attack.

The US may or may not have picked up the strike package. There seems to be some evidence that CENTCOM queried Israel. We maintain extensive coverage of the region through an array of sensor capabilities to include AWACS aircraft. Israel seems to have notified the administration or responded to query only when the weapons were launched. The US then apparently attempted to notify Qatar, but according to the Qatari Foreign Ministry, the warning came simultaneously with the attack.

I assume the Israelis planned notifications very carefully to insure they were technically made but there was no time for Qatar to warn the strike's target set.

I am intrigued by the technology. The blast damage is relatively light considering the munitions regularly used in Gaza. Yet, the whole HAMAS leadership team (5 individuals) and a Qatari security guard were eliminated without any collateral casualties. Whatever the munition was, it was relatively small and extremely accurate. The BBC reports 10 "bombs," which may have been something like our small diameter munition. However to drop those, the range would have been close enough for both the F-35's and the munitions themselves to have been seen by US air defense radar. An interesting little mystery.