What have you killed with the 8x57?

[Jon Glajchen]

I believe this one is the 22H. Carbine length barrel. 20.5"
The 21H is the 23.6 (600mm) barrel. But I agree, these Brno's are beautiful and slick. I'm a big fan of most Brno-CZ rifles.

Sorry I couldn’t see if it was the sporter or full length stock. I thought that the full length stocks were the Mod 22.

Please see the advertisement from that period.

 

[mauser98]

My understanding is that the 21h is the 23.6" with half stock. 21F is 23.6" with full stock. 22H is 20.5" barrel with half stock. 22F is 20.5"with full stock.

 

[steve white]

I wonder how many 18 wheeler trucks would be required to carry all the game that the 8x57 has killed in Europe alone? I have several. They are under-rated in North America, as are many other metric calibers. Should have bought a full stocked 22F for $1800 about five years ago, but that would make 4 total 8mm rifles, plus I just didn't have the heart to drill and tap it.
My 8x57jr has taken whitetails at ranges of 30-250 yards. Sellier & Belloit ammo.

 

[Muskox]

Last year I shot everything with the 8x57 and RWS Hit ammo. I didn't really like the ammo, but I did like the 8x57.

I shot 2 fallow bucks of good size in Slovenia and 3 roe bucks in Hungary.

I had 4 other hunts I went on where I didn't pull the trigger. Some roe deer hunts and wild boar hunts in Germany and a chamois hunt in Slovenia.

 

[BFaucett]

A nice Impala, two Warthog culls, and one Impala cull (no photo) taken for the landowner. He generously let me do a little culling at no charge.

Location: northern Limpopo Province, South Africa way back in 2005 (Where has the time gone?)
Rifle: Remington Model 700 Classic (2004 edition) in 8x57JS
Handload: 220 gr Woodleigh RN at 2400 fps (chronographed 10 shot average; rounded to nearest 5 fps)

I primarily used my CZ 550 American in 9.3x62 on that trip but I took along the Rem 700 in 8x57JS as a backup rifle. I just wanted to use the Rem 700 a little since I had it with me. (In the 9.3x62 my handload was a 286 gr Woodleigh RN at 2395 fps.) I think the two cartridges make a nice pairing.

By the way, my PH on that trip was Africa Hunting member IvW. We had a great time and I highly recommend him.

Cheers! Bob F.

 

[bigborelover]

Getting rifles for guiding and moose season ready! Doing some ammo testing and sight ins. 100 Yard 3 shot groups.

Looking pretty good!

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I dont much about guns , but why does it have two triggers if it is a bolt action ?

 

[grand veneur]

I dont much about guns , but why does it have two triggers if it is a bolt action ?

German Set Triggers.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

German Set Triggers.

@grand veneur
I was going to say you pull the rear trigger if it doesn't go bang then pull the front trigger it may fire second pull. If it still don't go bang operate bolt, chamber new round and try again.
I know I'm a smart arse.
Bob

 

[grand veneur]

I have several rifles equipped with it. I am still used to shoot with, but the newer generation of hunters in our countries no longer likes this type of trigger.

 

[Gert Odendaal]

I have several rifles equipped with it. I am still used to shoot with, but the newer generation of hunters in our countries no longer likes this type of trigger.

I have a Mauser 8x57JS with double trigger set, it really is a great option to have when you want to shoot accurate using this double trigger/hair trigger makes sense. My two Mauser 8x57JS hunting rifles..it is a great caliber for hard hitting deep penetration on bush-veld game here in South Africa.

 

[Gert Odendaal]

This Mauser 8x57JS has shot a fair amount of game( BARNES TSX 180 gn ) ..here are a few photos :

 

[Pieter van Jaarsveld]

Picked up my 8x57IS a few weeks ago, great caliber! I ordered some Northfork 200gr SS to reload.
Target pic: 196gr Norma Whitetail @ 100 yards.

 

[bigborelover]

Thanks , What do they do ?

German Set Triggers.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Thanks , What do they do ?

@bigborelover
From memory you pull the front trigger and this sets the rear trigger to be touched off at a far lower pressure when you pull it.
It can also be used as a normal single trigger on the rear trigger but the trigger pull is heavier
Then you have a single set trigger where you push the trigger forward to set it and the trigger pull then becomes very light or you can use it as a standard single stage trigger.
Hopefully this makes it clear as mud and didn't confuse you.
Bob

 

[Foxi]

"What have you killed with the cartridge 8x57IS ?

Quite a lot, extremely difficult question to answer for an older hunter of german tradition from east France and Germany."

That's exactly right.
Better ask these hunters what they haven't shot with it.
I carry the rimfire version in my hunting mentor's (Lehrprinz) drilling rifle, which he got from his father.
It was still the old IR version.So, the old first "nitro"powder 8x57 infantry cartridge from the Kaiser's time,but the barrel was rusting, so I had it rebarreled to IRS.
IS stands for “Infantry Spearhead” and was a staple of the German military during both world wars.
Sometimes the S is described as strong, as its diameter is 0.13 mm larger than the old I.
Historically, however, experts disagree about this letter.
My drilling is about 100 years old and in perfect condition.
The rimfire version of the 8x57 is a little weaker, but the game I shot with it had no opportunity to complain.
Black bear, deer, wild boars, roe deer, and foxes were my prey with the 8x57.
Occasionally, I dig out a few photos of this “sister caliber.”
Wonderful thread .
Foxi

 

[BFaucett]

Thanks , What do they do ?

 

[grand veneur]

Mannlicher-Schoenauer Stutzen caliber 8x57IS with set triggers.

 

[Huvius]

@bigborelover
From memory you pull the front trigger and this sets the rear trigger to be touched off at a far lower pressure when you pull it.
It can also be used as a normal single trigger on the rear trigger but the trigger pull is heavier
Then you have a single set trigger where you push the trigger forward to set it and the trigger pull then becomes very light or you can use it as a standard single stage trigger.
Hopefully this makes it clear as mud and didn't confuse you.
Bob

You’ve got that backwards.
The rear is the set trigger - lightens up the pull on the main (front) trigger.
That’s the double set trigger setup.
You are correct that some rifles have a single set trigger where the trigger is pushed forward to set and then used as normal.
The littler screws on either allow one to adjust the sensitivity of the final trigger pull.
I’ve had muzzle loaders from the mid 19thC with single set triggers.
I was surprised that this was an available option that long ago!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

You’ve got that backwards.
The rear is the set trigger - lightens up the pull on the main (front) trigger.
That’s the double set trigger setup.
You are correct that some rifles have a single set trigger where the trigger is pushed forward to set and then used as normal.
The littler screws on either allow one to adjust the sensitivity of the final trigger pull.
I’ve had muzzle loaders from the mid 19thC with single set triggers.
I was surprised that this was an available option that long ago!

@Huvis
Thanks for pointing out that I got it backwards.
Fortunately I'm never wrong but it's very seldom I get it right either.
Bob

 

[dchamp]

Great thread, can't believe I hadn’t seen it before. My son used his 8x57 Remington 700 Classic in Namibia and has taken Springbok, Impala, Blesbok, Hartebeest, Warthog, Gemsbok, Kudu, Mt. Zebra and Blue Wildebeest with 160gr TTSX and Leopard with 180gr Nosler BT.

I have a Sako 85 Grizzly in 8x57IS and have only taken Mule deer with it. I procured a 8X57IRS barrel for my Blaser K95 earlier this year. I am finishing load development now and hope to take it deer hunting this fall.