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I am not convinced of that. If the hunts are so difficult that one need helicopters, you should not use an old, infirm hunter as the main character in the video. Once again, the buffalo hunts in Australia don't convince me.
Then you Sir have no idea, only speculation. Alex has given a very detailed account of what went down. This hunt wasn’t filmed by Big Country Safaris but undertaken by the hunter.
I have hunted Alex’s exclusive hunting areas where he conducts trophy bull hunts along with management bulls and cull hunts. This is conducted in vast wilderness country that is more remote than you will most likely see in Africa.

Cheers
Mark
 
In my countries, game is primarily hunted using driven hunts. However, we do not glorify this type of hunting, but buffalo hunting in Australia is often compared with that in Africa, which it cannot be for many reasons. This is sometimes irritating, especially when you see outfitter's videos like these. But due to the increasing demand of buffalo hunts in Africa and accordingly the offer types that did not exist years ago, we will soon also reach a point in Africa where we are dealing more with feral cattle than with truly wild buffalo.
I have seen far too many irritating cape buffalo hunts on youtube that do nothing for the hunting indusdtry.
 
A Water Buffalo Bullock or any Bovine actually be it Cape Buffalo - Bison or Farm breed Cattle that has had his testicles interfered with, either by remove or crimping (normally removal) these are called Steers in my country until a certain age (when full grown & Mature) then they become Bullocks, as in Bullock/Ox carts, rare in this day & age as most sold to the Meat Works as large Steers.

Very very rare to be naturally occurring (I shot one as a kid, that looked like a Dingo or two ripped them out) normally has had the hands of man on them & not free ranging !
There was one actually out at GanGan, Sarg. No idea how it appeared out there. Totally freerange out there as you know.

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Mark
 
There was one actually out at GanGan, Sarg. No idea how it appeared out there. Totally freerange out there as you know.

Cheers
Mark
Yes bud I know, very frustrating as I went after him a couple of times, very first time I thought he was a extra huge Barren Cow, then highly suspected it a was a Natural Bullock as I had taken one decades before.
Only for it it be taken by a fill in Guide, very unsettling lol
 
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Yes bud I know, very frustrating as I went after him a couple of this, very first time I thought he was a extra huge Barren Cow, then highly suspected it a was a Natural Bullock as I had taken one decades before.
Only for it it be taken by a fill in Guide, very unsettling lol
I was there:LOL:
 
You are all spot on with your responses. These animals were castrated at a young age and live to nearly 30 years old. They are castrated and set free into a 100,000 acre free ranging area. They make up around 2 percent of the buffalo we hunt each year and are a specialty and extremely expensive hunt due to the size of them. We have never sold them or advertised them as anything there not. They are free ranging bullock/steer buffalo. The price for them for one thing is extremely different to our free ranging Arnhemland buffalo bull hunts

What makes their horns so much longer? Is it the act of castrating them or something else?
 
then highly suspected it a was a Natural Bullock as I had taken one decades before.
Now I am no expert but I have probably castrated roughly !0,000 bull calves in my life. I only use a scalpel so I am getting up close. I have never found a none female animal without gonads. Ocassionally they are not in the scrotumn as they have not decended, They can be up on the belly. If you do not remove the testicle from the belly then the calf will develop as a bull not as a steer as they still have testostrone. I have hands on experience of this.
bullock buffalo has boss measurements of 19 inches which is alot bigger then the average bull buffalo!
Corrrect I am only a novice, but from the limited knowledge I have the average 50" to 60" Bull Water Buffalo would usually have bosses with a girth of 21" to 23", so at 19" girth for 90" span the aspect ratio is more like a big cow horn. Agree the phenominal length is just due to their age.

I guess I will just jog on now. When I do get the chance I will not be using a 7mm magnum on buffalo and I will try not to gut shoot a stationary animal ( refer 4,52 of video).
Cheers
 
Now I am no expert but I have probably castrated roughly !0,000 bull calves in my life. I only use a scalpel so I am getting up close. I have never found a none female animal without gonads. Ocassionally they are not in the scrotumn as they have not decended, They can be up on the belly. If you do not remove the testicle from the belly then the calf will develop as a bull not as a steer as they still have testostrone. I have hands on experience of this.

Corrrect I am only a novice, but from the limited knowledge I have the average 50" to 60" Bull Water Buffalo would usually have bosses with a girth of 21" to 23", so at 19" girth for 90" span the aspect ratio is more like a big cow horn. Agree the phenominal length is just due to their age.

I guess I will just jog on now. When I do get the chance I will not be using a 7mm magnum on buffalo and I will try not to gut shoot a stationary animal ( refer 4,52 of video).
Cheers
Well I think you maybe trying to be a Dick now & there is no reason for that sort of thing, my apologies if I’m mistaken on that ?

When I say Natural, I mean the course of the Castration which can occur at any stage of life/growth from Dingos - Crocodiles - Hyenas or Honybadgers.

If later in life the animal can display full Male/Bull figures, I believe @PaulT has also encountered a Buffalo with damaged Testes ?

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Sorry if you think I am being a "dick" and I will pardon the pun!
Ok you have a couple of photos of hyennas grabing a bulls balls, but no evidence they removed the balls and the bull survived.
Through bitter experience in my younger days, if you do not castrate properly so that you minimise the bleeding then the calf will bleed out. Happy for any othe Ranchers to comment on their experience.
After opening the scrotum and then cuting through the inner white membrain you expose the testicle, you then pop it out like shelling a peanut. (It amazes me, that every time you get to this point some how they rotate the testicel away from the incision). The deferens tube comes off the bottom of the testicle all the blood supply goes in through the top of the testicle. After you pop it out you then need to stretch out the tube and arteries as hard as you can about 10" to 12" from the scrotum and then cut them off within the scrotum so that the arteries then retract down the penus column and seal off.
To use a quote from a great Aussie movie, "Your Dreaming" if you think any preditor is going to remove both testicles without the animal bleeding out.
More than likely any buffalo bullock is due to human intervention.
My whole point of calling out this video is that In Australia firearm owner / hunting are under constant attack and threats to the very future of having access to firearms and hunting. This video does not help our cause. Do what you like, but don't provide fodder to those working against us by placing such videos on such a public site.
 
If later in life the animal can display full Male/Bull figures, I believe @PaulT has also encountered a Buffalo with damaged Testes ?
If the testicles are damaged but still present then it is still a bull with testostrone. It is only a bullock if all the testicles have been full removed and cannot produce testostrone. Sorry to be pedantic.
 
I don’t consider this hunting. I have shot driven buffalo on culls in the NT on private property . Helicopters were used . No different to eradicating pigs . Bulls , cows and calves all taken . I understand why it is done but it is an awful experience . I reiterate that is not hunting. Count me out .
 
Sorry if you think I am being a "dick" and I will pardon the pun!
Ok you have a couple of photos of hyennas grabing a bulls balls, but no evidence they removed the balls and the bull survived.
Through bitter experience in my younger days, if you do not castrate properly so that you minimise the bleeding then the calf will bleed out. Happy for any othe Ranchers to comment on their experience.
After opening the scrotum and then cuting through the inner white membrain you expose the testicle, you then pop it out like shelling a peanut. (It amazes me, that every time you get to this point some how they rotate the testicel away from the incision). The deferens tube comes off the bottom of the testicle all the blood supply goes in through the top of the testicle. After you pop it out you then need to stretch out the tube and arteries as hard as you can about 10" to 12" from the scrotum and then cut them off within the scrotum so that the arteries then retract down the penus column and seal off.
To use a quote from a great Aussie movie, "Your Dreaming" if you think any preditor is going to remove both testicles without the animal bleeding out.
More than likely any buffalo bullock is due to human intervention.
My whole point of calling out this video is that In Australia firearm owner / hunting are under constant attack and threats to the very future of having access to firearms and hunting. This video does not help our cause. Do what you like, but don't provide fodder to those working against us by placing such videos on such a public site.


There are many cases of animals being castrated but left alive in nature. I am not specifically speaking of these bulls, as I don't know much about them. But I can't see why it would be different for them vs other animals.
 
I have no problem if the guy wants to hunt that way. To each his own.

I even can see the thrill of them being driven in large numbers.

What I have a problem is that this is a
(possible) record book entry. They are on purpose being made bullocks just for growing their horns to excessive lengths and then being hunted with the use of a helicopter. Is that fair chase?

No my definition of what I would consider a possible record book entry. That is where the sticking point lies.
 
I am not convinced of that. If the hunts are so difficult that one need helicopters, you should not use an old, infirm hunter as the main character in the video. Once again, the buffalo hunts in Australia don't convince me.
I have seen a bit of this on YouTube before seeing this thread.

My take on it is the client took a lot of game and likely paid for the video as well.

I don’t know anyone involved but it was obvious the client had means to pay and paid for a hunt and numerous animals including camels.

No different to hunting in Africa where terrain, accessibility and quotas dictate the methods used.

You could be in a blind, walking all day or shooting from a Bakkie. Take enough money and they will engage a helicopter to spot game.

Good on him. He’s still out doing it and is living the dream.
 
I guess I'll throw more fuel on the fire here, but a hunter hunts where the trophies are and there are all forms of hunting. In extreme terrain airborne platforms are the only way to get to there and to hunt; whether to transport, shoot, or retrieve. As far as invalidity, Give the PH some credit here. They know better than anyone what can and cannot be done to assist the potential client for a safe hunt, because they want to keep a good reputation and stay in business. I am 100% disabled, I tell all the PHs up front, and only one regretfully declined me because his operation truly couldn't accommodate me. Disabled hunters are neither naive or poster children. We know what we can and cannot do.
 
"My whole point of calling out this video is that In Australia firearm owner / hunting are under constant attack and threats to the very future of having access to firearms and hunting. This video does not help our cause. Do what you like, but don't provide fodder to those working against us by placing such videos on such a public site."

If you truly believe this you are delusional.

Our Government doesn't give a toss about how you kill buffalo, as long as you kill them.
There is no season, no limits and no restrictions other than access rights to land.

You're trying to impose your ethics on to how someone else should, or shouldn't hunt.

The Government itself spends TENS OF MILLIONS OF OUR DOLLARS EACH YEAR doing exactly the same as shown in the video, shooting them from a chopper in countless numbers.
One operator I know, who was contracted by our Government for two months for a specific area, shot almost 4 thousand between the two helicopters.

In other areas with better road access they contract musterers.
Have you seen what the musterers do to them to get them in a truck and to stop them from killing each other. I'm not going to type it out here because it's too disgusting, feel free to p.m me and I'll explain it to you.
If you're ever caught behind a road-train full of live-caught buff you'll know what I mean.

The guiding industry is placing value on these animals, generating income for Traditional owners who put pressure on Government to stay away from their land and let the p.h's sell hunts to overseas shooters, like the one depicted in the video, who pay REAL money and create value on an animal that is otherwise a feral/noxious pest to be eliminated at any expense.

I posted before, the specific technique for locating and hunting viewed on this footage may not be everyone's choice for how THEY want to hunt.
If that's the case, fine, I wouldn't choose it myself personally either, but then it's not my hunt nor my money that's paid for it AND it's legal.

Is it ethical ?
Well why don't we refer this question to the president of the Hunting Ethics department.
Who is that ?, can someone name him for me.
As soon as we know who this president is we can refer all of the other questionable practices to him.

Sarge, yes I have seen one Bullock out far Eastern Arnhemland where his presence could not be explained. Maybe an escapee ? maybe a traveller.
I've also seen buffalo (quite a few actually) with only a short stub of a tail, maybe 8 - 10" where when they're being born the dingoes chew on the easy bit before being driven off by the Mother, same with ears, I've seen plenty with short stubs or not ears at all. Chewed off.
It happens.
I remember hearing about that bullock out at Gan Gan.
That's a looong way from anywhere where someone could "mark" a buffalo ?
Simon has seen them in his old area as well and Glen had a client kill one down on the Coast ?
 
I've also seen buffalo (quite a few actually) with only a short stub of a tail, maybe 8 - 10"
This also happens reasonably frequently with cattle. It is caused by them grazing on lush green vegitation and their shit is a liquid stream. The stream hits their tail at the 8" to 10" mark and slowly builds up and cuts off the blood circulation to the tail. If you don't get to remove the shit ring soon enough the tail falls off. Could be another possible explanation.
 

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