Your opinion on selecting a .500 NE 3” or .470 NE?

I know he has these, for sure:

An Auguste Francotte sidelock ejector in .600 Nitro Express

A Webley & Scott boxlock ejector in .577 Nitro Express

A .500 Jeffery built on a Magnum Mauser action

A .460 Weatherby Magnum built on a Brevex M400 action

An Auguste Schuler Model 34 in 11.2x72mm Schuler

A 10.75x68mm Mauser Type A

@grand veneur am I close enough ?

Quite close, except that the DR caliber 600 Nitro Express also has a boxlock action and no DR have an ejector. I have sold the rifle caliber 10,75x68.
 
I know he has these, for sure:

An Auguste Francotte sidelock ejector in .600 Nitro Express

A Webley & Scott boxlock ejector in .577 Nitro Express

A .500 Jeffery built on a Magnum Mauser action

A .460 Weatherby Magnum built on a Brevex M400 action

An Auguste Schuler Model 34 in 11.2x72mm Schuler

A 10.75x68mm Mauser Type A

@grand veneur am I close enough ?
Wow… the list of what you don’t have is probably shorter. That’s honestly impressive
 
I was fortunate enough to fire exactly 1 round from my PH's 500 NE Krieghoff at a zebra last year. I hit right where I was aiming at about 75 yards. I did not think the recoil was that bad from the shooting sticks in a standing position, it seems my .458 WM kicks me harder. Of course recoil is felt differently shooting at game vs targets. I do think the .470 is a "sexier" looking round, longer with a shoulder, it just looks right in a cartridge belt or slide.
 
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@Schüler Jumbo - the “criteria” would be HOW MUCH OF A MAN ARE YOU?
Do you want to be seen carrying a “Woman’s” Double Rifle or move up to A REAL MANS DOUBLE? >>> I’m just kidding…<<<
I faced the same decision 20 years ago and quickly decided that a .470NE was more then enough for any African Game and while Bigger-is-Better —- I needed to be sure I could handle the recoil and shoot it accurately. I was pleased with my selection of a Chapius .470NE and it was a beautiful gun that was extremely accurate - I shot it very well in practice out to 100 yrds both with AND without quick detach scope….off hand or on-the-sticks I put 80-90 rounds thru it practicing in the weeks before my Safari and I was confident I could hit vitals on any buffalo out to 100 yrds. Then, I went to TZ and “failed” to shoot it as well as in practice - did Not return with a Buff (although my Son killed one with that .470NE). On an actual hunt, sometimes rushed setting up sticks and a bit excited, getting off a shot in real time - I was Not shooting that gun well, likely flinched, made a complete miss and later a poorly placed shot = wounded and long tracking job on Buff. For me, a .375 H&H would’ve been a better choice….or I should’ve added a good Recoil Reducer in the stock before the trip (I added one afterwards - made a difference). Get whatever Double Rifle you want but be sure you can handle it well and shoot it accurately WHEN IT COUNTS.
Thanks for your honesty, it’s very helpful.
 
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470NE typically weighs 10.75-11.25lbs
500NE 11lbs to 12lbs
577NE around 13lbs

Generally speaking for a fit person, that is about as much weight as a hunter can carry all day without a gun bearer.

4 bores and 600NEs and 700NEs are interesting, but they are typically in that 16lbs to 23lbs of weight, way more than is practical for someone to use on long stalks.
I think with a 700ne even the gun bearers need gun bearers!
 
I've been wondering, with today's lab grown diamonds, if a 10-15mm long, 2mm diameter single-crystal diamond tube, would not be the summum of combining "fibre optic frontsight light gathering technology" with more classy materials like diamond.

I had Grok look into it, and it said the following:

Yes, a straight tube made of pure single-crystal diamond can act as an extremely efficient light pipe or light concentrator, very similar to (and in most ways vastly superior to) a classic fiber-optic sight used on firearms or bow sights.
Here’s why and how it works in practice, based on the real physics of diamond:

1. Total Internal Reflection (TIR) in diamond​

Light that enters the sidewall of the tube at a sufficiently shallow angle will undergo total internal reflection because diamond has an exceptionally low refractive index for a transparent material — but wait, no: diamond has a very high refractive index n ≈ 2.417 at 589 nm.
The critical angle for TIR at a diamond–air interface is:
θ_c = arcsin(n_air / n_diamond) ≈ arcsin(1 / 2.417) ≈ 24.4°
This is an extremely small critical angle. That means almost any ray that enters the sidewall and is heading even slightly along the length of the tube will be trapped by TIR and will bounce down the tube with essentially zero loss per reflection (diamond is virtually non-absorbing from ~225 nm out to >10 µm).

2. Light collection and concentration​

If the outside of the tube is polished and clean (or even slightly roughened in a controlled way), ambient light hitting the lateral surface over the entire length enters the diamond. Every time a ray meets the inner wall at >24.4° to the normal, it is totally reflected and continues down the tube.
At the exit end you therefore get:
  • A very bright spot or ring of light
  • Light coming from a huge solid angle (essentially the whole environment around the tube)
  • Geometric concentration ratio roughly equal to (length / diameter) in the simple case, and potentially much higher because of the very low critical angle
Real-world numbers: A 50 mm long, 3 mm diameter diamond rod can easily concentrate ambient daylight at the exit face to >50–100× the brightness of the surrounding illumination — enough to be clearly visible even in bright sunlight, exactly like the best tritium + fiber-optic sights, but without needing tritium.

3. Comparison to plastic fiber-optic sights​

PropertyAcrylic/plastic fiberDiamond tube/rod
Refractive index~1.492.417
Critical angle~42°~24.4°
Acceptance angleModerateExtremely high
Transmission loss (visible)0.2–0.5 dB/m<0.001 dB/m (negligible)
Scratch/abrasion resistancePoorHighest of any material
UV and thermal stabilityDegradesEssentially forever
Brightness in practiceGoodBlindingly bright
You have scientifically proven what I can attest from personal experience a small 3 point diamond makes for a great front sight . I know it sounds wildly extravagant but I only paid A$90 for a diamond on one of my rifles . I am also profoundly colour blind and struggle to see red or yellow front sights . But a shining white dot is easy to see against a dark hide .
 
that said if I ever decide to go bigger it will be for a 577 that I have regulated with 650gr solids at 2150-2175fps.
I’m curious why you would want a 577NE to be regulated with 650gr projectiles.

I think that bullet weight is ideal for buffalo but for elephants isn’t it going to defeat the purpose? Perhaps I’m wrong about the importance of sectional density but at 0.271 I’d imagine a 650gr .585” bullet may not reach the brain on an elephant front on with its head up.
I’m not talking from experience at all, I was just curious.

There’s a great YouTube channel called Territorian_577 , that guy used 650gr Woodleigh bullets in his 577NE 2.75-inch single shot on water buffalo, but his gun is ridiculously light and it’s the shorter version of the cartrage.
 
I'm reading (again) the book by Brian Nicholson, The last white gamewarden in Tanzania.
He shot over 1,300 elephants, even in the most critical conditions imaginable.
And he survived with his .470 NE.
For the two elephants you'll probably shoot in your lifetime, it probably doesn't matter what you use.
From a resale perspective, I would lean towards the .470.


"Me..I would gladly choose it as a stopping rifle.."

No client stopps charging dangerous game without a Professional Hunter.
Anyone who believes that is a daydreamer.
(But these dreams are also beautiful:giggle:
 
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I’m curious why you would want a 577NE to be regulated with 650gr projectiles.

I think that bullet weight is ideal for buffalo but for elephants isn’t it going to defeat the purpose? Perhaps I’m wrong about the importance of sectional density but at 0.271 I’d imagine a 650gr .585” bullet may not reach the brain on an elephant front on with its head up.
I’m not talking from experience at all, I was just curious.

There’s a great YouTube channel called Territorian_577 , that guy used 650gr Woodleigh bullets in his 577NE 2.75-inch single shot on water buffalo, but his gun is ridiculously light and it’s the shorter version of the cartrage.
My experience shooting a variety of 577 rifles is the 650grain bullet was for the old nitro for black powder rifles - in other words black powder rifles using modern powders . This rifles were always much lighter than true NE rifles shooting 750gr bullets . The nitro for black loads are fine for Buffalo ( in my case water buff) but I definitely wouldn’t dare use them for elephant .
 
@Aussie Chris With the modern CEB-Northfork-Hammer 650gr solids at 2150-2175 fps vs the 750 at 2000-2050. I believe that both would rack a elephant skull from any angle you choose to shoot. But have no dead elephants to prove my belief. But then again I also don't have a Westley Richards 577 NE double:Arghh:

I owned a 577 BPE double, and currently own a 577 NE that was built off a 10 ga action. It is full 750gr nitro proofed but I have found it shoots the 650's better.
 

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