Would you be happy?

[SStomcat]

You are baiting respondents now. The issue is shots 5 and 6 in the bush. Client could have shot during the charge, which is why the PHs asked if the client actually shot during the charge. Client did not shoot during the charge and may not have been able to with his level of experience. I don't think you or anyone else is questioning the PHs shot at the charging buff. No one knows the circumstances of shots 5 and 6, so let it go.

First, I didn’t ask you.

Second, calling this “baiting respondents” doesn’t make it so. Nothing new was introduced—only questions you seem determined not to address.

We do not know the circumstances surrounding shots 5 and 6 in the bush. Full stop. The client did not shoot during the charge, and the reasons for that remain speculative.

No one is questioning the PHs’ shot on a charging buffalo. But declaring the discussion closed because the unanswered details are uncomfortable is not a resolution—it’s avoidance.

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

Golam Ji - I'd be curious to know why you think so? Based on the previous shot by the client and his fugly way of handling the rifle and general body language, it leads you to believe that the hiding buffalo could not be shot down a second time?

While the odds of a charge are significantly lower than the odds of no charge, my experiences and beliefs, as well as those of several very experienced PH’s are; once there’s a charge if not immediately killed, the likelihood of another charge is now monumentally higher than the likelihood it won’t charge. Even if mortally wounded from the initial interaction, it’s likely lying in ambush waiting to make another stand.

It’s also curious to me that in Africa many animals that are aggressive towards hunters or vehicles typically develop a pattern/habit and are both identifiable and known by those living in the area as aggressive and likely to charge or posture even when unprovoked or wounded. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard about a specific buffalo, rhino, hippo or elephant that’s especially aggressive in an area and more caution and care is given to give them a wide berth unless they’re on the menu

 

[SStomcat]

@SStomcat I believe you are only asking about happiness with shots 5 and 6 from the two PH's where there did not appear (to us who were not there) to be any danger.

You got it.

 

[fourfive8]

@fourfive8
Don't know about hunting public land where you live but where I live you MUST wear blaze Orange when hunting public land. Doesn't upset the game in anyway. Can't see an issue if it helps to be seen
Bob

Huh? I’m not sure of your point. I’ve never seen hunter orange being worn anywhere in Africa on a big game hunt. It’s common and commonly required no matter land status in most states in US during firearms seasons. Even common during upland bird hunts where the idea is visibility for other shotgunners.

Mr X in the video is decked out in hunter orange hat and jacket. Either it was burrowed from someone when Mr x discovered it can be cold in Africa and was generally clueless about how cold it can be when riding in the high seat of a cruiser. Or, he purposely brought hunter orange clothing to Africa for big game hunting which also means he was clueless and did no research about his hunt.

I have no idea about his ammo, rifle or experience as a big game hunter. My guess he is really inexperienced, with a low skill level and did little if any research or prep for his DG, “bucket” list safari.

I will stand by my previous post and my impression about the whole incident. He should be very happy no one was injured or killed. Also, it says something when a hunter requests or makes a deal with PH to video a hunt, especially a DG hunt, especially when such a hunter is so obviously inexperienced.

 

[SStomcat]

I suppose per @SStomcat they could have flown a drone around and hovered over the buffalo. That would have allowed hunter time to recuperate and gotten him into a better shooting position knowing in advance exactly where Buffalo is, but that isn’t hunting.

I’m not sure whether this is a hallucination or sugar deprivation, but it bears no resemblance to the discussion at hand.

 

[375Fox]

I’m not sure whether this is a hallucination or sugar deprivation, but it bears no resemblance to the discussion at hand.

You are searching for the answer you want to hear instead of the answers you are being given.

 

[SStomcat]

You are searching for the answer you want to hear instead of the answers you are being given.

Ah, yes, classic. Accuse the other person of “hearing what they want” rather than actually address the points made. let’s see if it works.

 

[DaddyFlip]

First, I didn’t ask you.

Second, calling this “baiting respondents” doesn’t make it so. Nothing new was introduced—only questions you seem determined not to address.

We do not know the circumstances surrounding shots 5 and 6 in the bush. Full stop. The client did not shoot during the charge, and the reasons for that remain speculative.

No one is questioning the PHs’ shot on a charging buffalo. But declaring the discussion closed because the unanswered details are uncomfortable is not a resolution—it’s avoidance.

First, by posting this thread, you asked everyone dips#!t. It's clear you've taken the result of the video personally and want all respondents to say they would be unhappy with the result. Well, that's not going to happen as the client in the video was happy and the respondents here would be more happy with themselves for having taken a better first shot. Besides that, everyone who has responded also said they would be happy with the result given the circumstances presented, so let it go. The guy couldn't do the shoot'in and wanted the trophy, so that's the end of it.

 

[375Fox]

Ah, yes, classic. Accuse the other person of “hearing what they want” rather than actually address the points made. let’s see if it works.

Interesting response considering you only replied to the last 10% of my full post and ignored the rest.

 

[SStomcat]

First, by posting this thread, you asked everyone dips#!t. It's clear you've taken the result of the video personally and want all respondents to say they would be unhappy with the result. Well, that's not going to happen as the client in the video was happy and the respondents here would be more happy with themselves for having taken a better first shot. Besides that, everyone who has responded also said they would be happy with the result given the circumstances presented, so let it go. The guy couldn't do the shoot'in and wanted the trophy, so that's the end of it.

You know everything

 

[SStomcat]

Interesting response considering you only replied to the last 10% of my full post and ignored the rest.

Bogus and repetitive posts are best to be ignored

 

[375Fox]

Bogus and repetitive posts are best to be ignored

Yes, it’s very clear you have never hunted any dangerous game. Or even hunted in Africa?

 

[SStomcat]

Yes, it’s very clear you have never hunted any dangerous game. Or even hunted in Africa?

There you go again, another off the cuff comment

 

[375Fox]

That would be interesting to know - “Do you have experience following wounded Dangerous Game and facing an actual charge?”.

You might consider answering your own question.

 

[SStomcat]

You might consider answering your own question.

It seems that by starting this thread, I managed to attract commentary heavy on smart-assery and light on actual substance. For someone with such extensive claimed experience, answering a straightforward question appears oddly challenging.

Yes, I would be annoyed with the PH firing 5–6 shots when there was clear distance, full visibility of the buffalo, no evident charge, and the hunter following just behind. That was the point—simple enough.

Instead, we get lectures from a position of assumed infallibility, wrapped in condescension and delivered as fact. If that worldview works for you, feel free to remain safely insulated in your own cocoon.

Posts that add nothing but noise are best ignored. This will be one of them. Welcome.

 

[HankBuck]

If you were the hunter, and the PH had to deliver the kill?

@SStomcat - No, I would NOT be “happy” and for Me that would take something-away from that trophy…But, the guy made a good 1st shot ——likely a killing Lung shot if given some time. Plus there was a life threatening ‘charge’ where the PH HAD To SHOOT….and the client certainly had an opportunity to shoot during the charge but did not. I think I cold accept that even though I didn’t kill that buffalo by myself and “others” put bullets into it — I got the 1st shot in it AND it was a “Good Shot in a vital area” (didn't miss or Gut shoot it) — I’d still likely have some taxidermy done on that Buff and be happy to tell the “whole story”. I think most Hunters would prefer to make clean & fast kills on their trophies without anyone else putting a bullet in it — but you must accept that is not always possible.

 

[SStomcat]

@SStomcat - No, I would NOT be “happy” and for Me that would take something-away from that trophy…But, the guy made a good 1st shot ——likely a killing Lung shot if given some time. Plus there was a life threatening ‘charge’ where the PH HAD To SHOOT….and the client certainly had an opportunity to shoot during the charge but did not. I think I cold accept that even though I didn’t kill that buffalo by myself and “others” put bullets into it — I got the 1st shot in it AND it was a “Good Shot in a vital area” (didn't miss or Gut shoot it) — I’d still likely have some taxidermy done on that Buff and be happy to tell the “whole story”. I think most Hunters would prefer to make clean & fast kills on their trophies without anyone else putting a bullet in it — but you must accept that is not always possible

Points taken.

 

[HankBuck]

It seems that by starting this thread, I managed to attract commentary heavy on smart-assery and light on actual substance. For someone with such extensive claimed experience, answering a straightforward question appears oddly challenging.

Yes, I would be annoyed with the PH firing 5–6 shots when there was clear distance, full visibility of the buffalo, no evident charge, and the hunter following just behind. That was the point—simple enough.

Instead, we get lectures from a position of assumed infallibility, wrapped in condescension and delivered as fact. If that worldview works for you, feel free to remain safely insulated in your own cocoon.

Posts that add nothing but noise are best ignored. This will be one of them. Welcome.

@SStomcat - I think I understand your question and point - I always want to take my trophy cleanly and have the only bullets in it be “mine”. While I understand and agree there are times when a PH or Guide must also shoot —- I’m still Not “happy” about it but I could accept it. I believe most Hunters feel that way with some more strongly then others. Some hunters may really not care and others might not admit that it detracts slightly from their trophy. I can only speak for me, and I have tracked one badly wounded buffalo for many hours and several miles —- jumping it two times at 25 yrds but bush so thick couldn’t see it and never got another shot off….LOST it. Looking back, while mine was the only bullet (or two) in it —- I wouldn’t have minded if the PH got a shot in and finished it off, it might’ve detracted from that trophy but Not as much as losing it completely. We All put in our best effort to find & finish that Buff and I certainly had my chance on the first shot but didn’t make a quickly fatal shot —- It’s “On Me”.

 

[SStomcat]

While the odds of a charge are significantly lower than the odds of no charge, my experiences and beliefs, as well as those of several very experienced PH’s are; once there’s a charge if not immediately killed, the likelihood of another charge is now monumentally higher than the likelihood it won’t charge. Even if mortally wounded from the initial interaction, it’s likely lying in ambush waiting to make another stand.

It’s also curious to me that in Africa many animals that are aggressive towards hunters or vehicles typically develop a pattern/habit and are both identifiable and known by those living in the area as aggressive and likely to charge or posture even when unprovoked or wounded. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard about a specific buffalo, rhino, hippo or elephant that’s especially aggressive in an area and more caution and care is given to give them a wide berth unless they’re on the menu

I think that’s simply the nature of animals—wild or domestic. Growing up, we always had dogs around our family home, often several at a time. We also had a few cows and a couple of horses.
One horse would only allow my grandfather anywhere near him—let alone a pat—and was quite aggressive toward everyone else. The other was far more docile. Same species, very different personalities.
The dogs were no different: some were aggressive toward outsiders, some were indifferent and just barked, and a few were downright hostile, to the point that they had to be caged whenever visitors were around.

As a result, no one dared wander into our house perimeter uninvited—it was very well guarded.

 

[375Fox]

It seems that by starting this thread, I managed to attract commentary heavy on smart-assery and light on actual substance. For someone with such extensive claimed experience, answering a straightforward question appears oddly challenging.

Yes, I would be annoyed with the PH firing 5–6 shots when there was clear distance, full visibility of the buffalo, no evident charge, and the hunter following just behind. That was the point—simple enough.

Instead, we get lectures from a position of assumed infallibility, wrapped in condescension and delivered as fact. If that worldview works for you, feel free to remain safely insulated in your own cocoon.

Posts that add nothing but noise are best ignored. This will be one of them. Welcome.

I’ll look forward to your hunting report the first time you hunt Africa. Maybe you’ll have a different perspective after that. As far as difficulty answering a straightforward question I’d suggest reading the first page again.